News McGregor back in court

[joy2day]

The people defending Conor are making the Woopie Goldberg blunder. She defended Bill Cosby for the longest time as more accusers came forward. Don't be a Woopie Goldberg.

Where things get troublesome is when multiple accusers appear. Yeah, an accusation or 2 could be a money grab by the person. But the higher that tally goes, the more credibility is lost by the perp.

Cosby had over 50 victims, Larry Nassar over 200, Diddy somewhere in the 100s.

If you are still saying those are money grabs, you pretty much just want that narrative to be.

Conor isn't at the point of those guys (that we know of), but remember those guys went on for years without the general public knowing. He is looking bad.

 

[JBJ was here]

As it's a civil case, anything Conor doesn't say will be taken against him. But Conor, regardless of whether or not he did what he's been accused of (he probably did, but that's another issue entirely), is an absolutely horrible witness; hopeless addicts with severe anger management issues and all the charm of roadkill rarely do themselves favors on the stand.

I'm kinda shocked this didn't settle yet.

 

[Leinster Rugby]

yeah that’s my understanding but I thought the fact that she went and saw a doctor on the night of the assault that they have to report it and thus it become criminal.

I’m assuming you’re in Ireland too. The Irish mirror is doing live updates. It’s fricken sick.

If she did see a Dr that same night then I can see absolutely no reason why you're not right

 

[IDGETKTFO]

No smoke without fire

This makes no sense. Smoke always comes before fire.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

As much as I hate douche McGregor, he really doesn't need to sexually assault women

And yet he has.

I'm not a fan of these civil cases in general. It greatly lowers the burden of proof

As it's a civil case, anything Conor doesn't say will be taken against him.

Now these are interesting, because I wasn't sure if the structure and process of a civil case will be the same and have the same differences from a criminal case in Ireland as it does here.

 

[Bubzeh]

Any proof of this or are we just going to string the man up and call him a rapist anyway?

Some right morons in here.

 

[Alpha_T83]

And yet he has.

Sorry but you can't say that. He hasn't been found guilty of sexual assault in a court of law and is presumed innocent until proven guilty. It's literally slander to say "he has".

Now these are interesting, because I wasn't sure if the structure and process of a civil case will be the same and have the same differences from a criminal case in Ireland as it does here.

Generally everywhere there is a lower burden of proof, because civil cases lack the "mens rea" burden of proof. Ireland uses* mens rea in criminal cases, requiring the prosecution (crown) to prove not only that the offense occurred, but that the defendant had a guilty mind and knew that what they were doing was wrong and illegal.

This opens up the door in civil trials for the defendant to claim she "felt" sexually assaulted, even though in McGregor's mind he was not guilty and did not commit any crime. At that point it becomes subjective as to whether a judge/jury believes the accuser sufficiently to agree that sexual assault took place, despite McGregor not necessarily being aware of it.

 

[lsa]

This makes no sense. Smoke always comes before fire.

no it doesn't

 

[joy2day]

Sorry but you can't say that. He hasn't been found guilty of sexual assault in a court of law and is presumed innocent until proven guilty. It's literally slander to say "he has".


Generally everywhere there is a lower burden of proof, because civil cases lack the "mens rea" burden of proof. Ireland uses* mens rea in criminal cases, requiring the prosecution (crown) to prove not only that the offense occurred, but that the defendant had a guilty mind and knew that what they were doing was wrong and illegal.

This opens up the door in civil trials for the defendant to claim she "felt" sexually assaulted, even though in McGregor's mind he was not guilty and did not commit any crime. At that point it becomes subjective as to whether a judge/jury believes the accuser sufficiently to agree that sexual assault took place, despite McGregor not necessarily being aware of it.

Let's not forget that civil cases are how many predators fell, including Diddy. Civil cases can lead to criminal cases, especially if there are multiple alleged victims.

I don't know about Ireland, but in the US, you would need to show that there was a behavior that actually meets the standard of a sexual assault; you could not win a case because you "felt assaulted." That behavior would be abundantly clear to the perp. Conor didn't accidentally assault someone without knowing it, that's pretty much what Conor apologists would say. Also, there probably is other corroborating evidence, at least circumstantially; making a claim with no evidence at all to back it up is not going to win.

The idea many are saying that he hasn't been convicted is EXACTLY what people said about all of the predators at one point. Whoopie Goldberg was screaming about that on "The View" about Cosby before masses of victims started coming forward. Michael Jackson had loads of defenders, and his guilt really didn't come out until after he died. There was always enough evidence to be suspicious.

There is enough around this case to doubt Conor even if we can't yet convict him; there have been a number of claims. There are plenty of rich and famous celebrities that don't get accused of sexual assault, so with multiple claims, you wouldn't be able to blame it on that. His character (or lack of) doesn't do him any favors; most would consider his credibility to be low.

 

[jooohnmatrix]

Let's not forget that civil cases are how many predators fell, including Diddy. Civil cases can lead to criminal cases, especially if there are multiple alleged victims.

I don't know about Ireland, but in the US, you would need to show that there was a behavior that actually meets the standard of a sexual assault; you could not win a case because you "felt assaulted." That behavior would be abundantly clear to the purp. Conor didn't accidentally assault someone without knowing it, that's pretty much what Conor apologists would say. Also, there probably is other corroborating evidence, at least circumstantially; making a claim with no evidence at all to back it up is not going to win.

The idea many are saying that he hasn't been convicted is EXACTLY what people said about all of the predators at one point. Whoopie Goldberg was screaming about that on "The View" about Cosby before masses of victims started coming forward. Michael Jackson had loads of defenders, and his guilt really didn't come out until after he died. There was always enough evidence to be suspicious.

There is enough around this case to doubt Conor even if we can't yet convict him; there have been a number of claims. There are plenty of rich and famous celebrities that don't get accused of sexual assault, so with multiple claims, you wouldn't be able to blame it on that. His character (or lack of) doesn't do him any favors; most would consider his credibility to be low.

I posted the links in a previous thread, although not sure if you can see them? The judge advised the jury that this was a rape case and not sexual assault. Shocked to read that so it will have huge implications either way.

 

[nonoob]

judge advised the jury​

Conor can't advise the judge to tell the jury that they will do as they're told.

Early Bet - Jury Tampering Will Be Involved from either threats or bribery.

 

[Mickf]

yeah that’s my understanding but I thought the fact that she went and saw a doctor on the night of the assault that they have to report it and thus it become criminal.

I’m assuming you’re in Ireland too. The Irish mirror is doing live updates. It’s fricken sick.

From what I have heard it was originally a criminal investigation. The gardai had prepared a file and it was sent to the dpp (director of public prosecutions) and they decided not to prosecute. That doesn't mean they didn't think he did it. Just their wasn't enough evidence to get a prosecution. He vs she said, alcohol , drugs involved, he probably had witnesses that would lie for him. The gardai were pretty pissed off at the time as they all thought he done it.

 

[Daniel Henry]

I just read a article on this. Doesn't look good for Conor he will probably settle this behind scenes. Cocaine, alcohol, bruising, a tampon being wedged up there...

I also saw a pic of the chick.. she's short blond and fat just like the other female he supposedly raped in that bathroom. He definitely has a type..dude giving me serial rapepy vibes

 

[uled]

Cliffs:

*jury sworn in for alleged sexual assault incident from 2018
*McGregor denies any wrong doing
*the plaintiff alleges McGregor AND one of his half-wit acolytes assaulted her
*this is a civil trial for damages so I don't think there's a possibility of criminal charges arising from it

There are two sides to every story and I must say this one has left me very unsure. I don't know how to feel or what to think and I'm finding it hard to reconcile this confusion. at the end of the day.. is Conor a douche bag or a degenerate scumbag? I'm just torn here.

Edit - looks like a mod gave this post a bit of a make over lol - thank you

The best for the world would be to see him in prison

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

The real reason the Chandler fight didn't happen

 

[tat2man5k]

I can't stand Conor. However, I don't want to see anyone go to prison for something they didn't do. That said, like Deshaun Watson, where there's smoke there's fire, and there has been a LOT of smoke surrounding him for awhile now.

 

[Koala]

He really likes the chubby blondes

 

[Neck&Neck]

The Teflon Mac

 

[Davidjacksonjones]

Either he has the worst damn luck for getting accused of multiple rape allegations, or he's the luckiest sob ever getting off repeatedly

They say innocent until proven guilty, but look how many powerful people that got off with sexual crimes for many years

No smoke without fire
Hopefully some day he will face real justice in a criminal court

He needs to learn how treat women with respect, like our heavenly brothe Saint Jones

 

[Ares Black]

As much as I hate douche McGregor, he really doesn't need to sexually assault women to get laid. He almost certainly plies the women with fancy restaurants, alcohol, and cocaine. Then they are dumb enough to have sex with him, thinking they can somehow make him theirs. When that inevitably falls apart, they cry sexual assault.

Rape is not about getting laid.