News McGregor back in court

[Rollio98]

I am just going to leave this here, since a few idiots here seem to be introducing doubt into something fairly straightforward:

We have the medical report by the doctor, by an expert on sexual assault, and by enforcement officer who saw her. This describes multiple injuries across her body as being severe, and even beyond what the experts had seen.

We have Conor's DNA. We have confirmed testimony of a tampon incrusted into her vagina that was surgically removed that indicates possible vaginal tear.

We have evidence of her clothes being torn.

We have records of her being traumatized, incapable of working, having panic attacks, for long after the incident.

We know she tried to pursue a criminal case, not civil. There are reports of her refusing a million payout.

We know of her house being broken into.

We have precedent of Conor being aggressive, and multiple accusations that overlap in significant ways to this, involving physical and sexual violence.

We don't have James' DNA in her.

We have footage of CCTV showing her with Lawrence oscillating back and forth in the hotel after Conor left, that's it.

So, what are we to conclude? That she beat herself up and faked trauma for years, fooling doctors of her mental distress? That Lawrence had sex with her but left no traces of it in her body, miraculously? That she pursued criminal charges and refused a buyout because that way she would later cash in more? That her boyfriend beat her up for being a bad girl and then she decided they could fake this as being caused by Conor? That despite people saying the injuries were abnormal, they were either self-inflicted or derived from elsewhere?

These people could see video footage of him raping her and they'd say "but that's just rough sex, show me where he raped her" no amount of evidence is enough. Mcgregor needs to admit he raped her. Anything short of that and he's innocent

 

[SpiderFan187]

Where is it stated that the CCTV footage points to her not having damage?

I've been reading the court recaps on a few websites, i'm not sure which was it was but it was noted on one. It's been brought up a few times but Conor's lawyers and her lawyers haven't used the hotel CCTV to say there's evidence there.

 

[Rollio98]

I've been reading the court recaps on a few websites, i'm not sure which was it was but it was noted on one. It's been brought up a few times but Conor's lawyers and her lawyers haven't used the hotel CCTV to say there's evidence there.

How long do bruises take to show up?

 

[SpiderFan187]

How long do bruises take to show up?

I asked this question in a previous post and said if i was the Jury i'll be looking at this and if i was the lawyers i'll be looking to get an expert. So yeah i don't know and you don't know (ive been bruised instantly and have had redness turn into bruising after a day or so) but i'm sure with the photos shown an expert could say when those injuries were suffered based off the development of the bruising. I'm not for either side, just interested in seeing how it all plays out.

 

[dittohead84]

Poor Dee. Conor had to admit to teh secks

 

[fortheo]

Still reading up on today's events, but some interesting tidbits thus far:

Conor was asked if he had a close involvement in how James lawrence was portrayed during all of this. Conor said, "I said my piece"

Nikita's lawyer asked conor if conor paid Lawrence's legal fees. Conor acted uncertain until the judge made him answer and conor said, "I believe I did."

Conor was reminded that he mentioned yesterday that there wasn't a tampon or that he was unaware of a tampon. Nikita's lawyer pointed out the physical evidence of the tampon and reminded that it had to be carefully surgically removed and then pointed out that the doctors found Conor's DNA where the tampon was located.

Conor said, "I said it wasn't there. If there was a tampon or if she was on her cycle, I wouldn't have had sex."

 

[MarleyLynx]

There is no "data", he is a stupid misogynist trying to justify his own biases by appealing to some inexistent scientific basis, when it is plain old bigotry.

Yes, Due process is misogyny. You're using ad hominems over information you're not privy to. Your wifes boyfriend must love you.

 

[MarleyLynx]

What data? You're a lying sack of shit.

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False allegations of sexual assault: An analysis of ten years of reported cases​

ABSTRACT
One of the most controversial disputes affecting the discourse related to violence against women is the dispute about the frequency of false allegations of sexual assault. In an effort to add clarity to the discourse, published research on false allegations is critiqued, and the results of a new study described. All cases (N = 136) of sexual assault reported to a major Northeastern university over a 10-year period are analyzed to determine the percentage of false allegations. Of the 136 cases of sexual assault reported over the 10-year period, 8 (5.9%) are coded as false allegations. These results, taken in the context of an examination of previous research, indicate that the prevalence of false allegations is between 2% and 10%.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1077801210387747

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False Reporting Review of research
To date, much of the research conducted on the prevalence of false allegations of sexual assaults is unreliable because of inconsistencies with definitions and methods employed to evaluate data (Archambault, n.d.). A review of research f inds that the prevalence of false reporting is between 2 percent and 10 percent. The following studies support these findings: y A multi-site study of eight U.S. communities including 2,059 cases of sexual assault found a 7.1 percent rate of false reports (Lonsway, Archambault, & Lisak, 2009). y A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Boston from 1998-2007 found a 5.9 percent rate of fa

https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default...C_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf?form=MG0AV3lse reports (Lisak et al., 2010).

Using qualitative and quantitative analysis, researchers studied 812 reports of sexual assault from 2000-2003 and found a 2.1 percent rate of false reports (Heenan & Murray 2006).

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Archambault, J. (n.d.). Unfounded cases and false reports: A complex problem [PowerPoint slides]. Retrieved from the Iowa Coalition Against Sexual Assault: http://www.iowacasa.org/UserDocs/A3,_A4_ Archambault_FALSE_REPORTS.pdf Archambault, J. (2005, Winter). So how many rapes are false? STOP Newsletter. Retrieved from the Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape: http://www.pcar.org/sites/default/files/STOP_2005_False_Reporting.pdf

Lonsway, K. A., Archambault, J., & Lisak, D. (2009). False reports: Moving beyond the issue to successfully investigate and prosecute non-stranger sexual assault. The Voice, 3(1), 1-11. Retrieved from the National District Attorneys Association: http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf

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False allegations of sexual assualt: an analysis of ten years of reported cases

David Lisak 1, Lori Gardinier, Sarah C Nicksa, Ashley M Cote
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PMID: 21164210 DOI: 10.1177/1077801210387747
Abstract
One of the most controversial disputes affecting the discourse related to violence against women is the dispute about the frequency of false allegations of sexual assault. In an effort to add clarity to the discourse, published research on false allegations is critiqued, and the results of a new study described. All cases (N = 136) of sexual assault reported to a major Northeastern university over a 10-year period are analyzed to determine the percentage of false allegations. Of the 136 cases of sexual assault reported over the 10-year period, 8 (5.9%) are coded as false allegations. These results, taken in the context of an examination of previous research, indicate that the prevalence of false allegations is between 2% and 10%.

Gap or a Chasm?: Attrition in Reported Rape Cases | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

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Economic Status and the Legal System​

While not specifically focused on sexual assault, studies examining how economic status impacts the outcomes of criminal cases more broadly can provide some insights. Research shows that individuals with higher socioeconomic status often benefit from better legal representation, which could affect the outcomes of sexual assault cases. These outcomes, in turn, might influence perceptions of guilt or innocence.

Title: “The Effects of Socioeconomic Status on Criminal Justice Outcomes”
Authors: Various (general research on class and the justice system)
Summary: This body of research generally supports the idea that wealthier individuals are more likely to avoid conviction or receive lighter sentences due to access to better defense resources. This may apply in sexual assault cases as well, as wealthy defendants can afford high-powered legal teams that may discredit accusations more effectively than poorer defendants can.

Social Problems, Journal of Criminal Justice, and American Sociological Review.
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“Rape Culture, Power, and Privilege: The Role of Social Class”
Author: Various
Summary: This research explores how individuals with higher social or economic status are less likely to be perceived as perpetrators of sexual assault, and how power dynamics may influence the public's or jurors' beliefs about the credibility of the victim. Economic power can skew public perceptions and influence case outcomes, including reducing the likelihood of criminal charges or conviction.

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Rape Myth Acceptance and Gender Roles in a Context of Social Class”
Authors: Various
Summary: This research highlights how people from wealthier or more privileged backgrounds may be less likely to believe women from marginalized socioeconomic backgrounds when they make sexual assault accusations, thus potentially leading to bias in the legal system.
Psychology of Women Quarterly and Sex Roles.


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That's a lot to type just to state you like the corner chair. Especially when it's entirely unrelated to what I said. But i'm sure she'll sleep with you now.

 

[MarleyLynx]

I don't think it's particularly relevant to talk about that in this thread tbh. Conor is guilty as shit.

Could be. Could not be. Thing is, the evidence that's been turned over hasn't been quantified. Homies over here in a Andrew Wiltse level manic meltdown and i'm just trying to get him to be level headed and reasonable.

 

[fortheo]

Yes, Due process is misogyny. You're using ad hominems over information you're not privy to. Your wifes boyfriend must love you.

Your original arguments were never from a neutral point arguing due process. You literally suggested it was a money grab and that it happens more often than not.

People who believe these stories are odd. It only happens to the rich or famous and post-fame. Almost all allegations of this sort are fake. It's unfortunate you have to wait for evidence and real victims suffer because of it but it just is what it is. Too many people see it as a cash grab and take advantage.

You were wrong and proven wrong. It is okay to learn from it. No need to be stubborn. Even if conor is proven innocent, your claim that almost all allegations of this sort are fake is just flat out wrong.

If you want to go to a neutral standpoint and wait for due process now, then at least you're moving in the right direction.

 

[MarleyLynx]

Your original arguments were never from a neutral point arguing due process. You literally suggested it was a money grab and that it happens more often than not.



You were wrong and proven wrong. It is okay to learn from it. No need to be stubborn. Even if conor is proven innocent, your claim that almost all allegations of this sort are fake is just flat out wrong.

If you want to go to a neutral standpoint and wait for due process now, then at least you're moving in the right direction.

It's easier to payout than go the legal route. See Elon.... or i'm sure he's just some crazy misogynistic rapist too? Just like our boy Alex Pereira? It's called pattern recognition. The problem when you pull statistics on percentage of fake allegations, it doesn't include these types of situations which make up almost all. Did you forget there was an entire movement based on false allegations that was the topic of discussion for the better half of a decade?


No matter how much you gaslight the world... she's not gonna sleep with you.

 

[krelianx]

That's a lot to type just to state you like the corner chair. Especially when it's entirely unrelated to what I said. But i'm sure she'll sleep with you now.

You're a sad, pathetic moron.

 

[krelianx]

Your original arguments were never from a neutral point arguing due process. You literally suggested it was a money grab and that it happens more often than not.



You were wrong and proven wrong. It is okay to learn from it. No need to be stubborn. Even if conor is proven innocent, your claim that almost all allegations of this sort are fake is just flat out wrong.

If you want to go to a neutral standpoint and wait for due process now, then at least you're moving in the right direction.

Not only that, he suggested that sexual assault accusations come exclusively against wealthy people and were mostly false, and then claimed 'data' backed it up.

He's literally an imbecile, on top of a bigot.

 

[fortheo]

It's easier to payout than go the legal route. See Elon.... or i'm sure he's just some crazy misogynistic rapist too? Just like our boy Alex Pereira? It's called pattern recognition. The problem when you pull statistics on percentage of fake allegations, it doesn't include these types of situations which make up almost all. Did you forget there was an entire movement based on false allegations that was the topic of discussion for the better half of a decade?


No matter how much you gaslight the world... she's not gonna sleep with you.

So, in your world, because I don't jump to the conclusion that alleged rape victims in high profile cases are money grabbers, I must want her to sleep with me? That is some weird shit. Grow up man.

You ignore data that we do have that covers rape allegations in relation to economic classes, and instead decide to focus a few hand picked examples, extrapolate opinions from them, and then project them onto all cases of that kind. That seems smarter to you?

You are better than this.

Anyways, you're clearly less interested in an actual conversation and more interested in being stubborn and combative for some strange reason.

Take care sherbro.

 

[MarleyLynx]

You're a sad, pathetic moron.

Says the guy who copy pasted the first google searches he could find for confirmation bias without being able to sort out and filter the relevant data just for egos sake. The irony is palpable. I'm sure it'll go over your head though. Pretty much everything else has.

 

[MarleyLynx]

So, in your world, because I don't jump to the conclusion that alleged rape victims in high profile cases are money grabbers, I must want her to sleep with me? Instead, we must say that they are money grabbers most of the time ....based off your opinions that come from some high profile cases you read about?

You ignore data that we do have that covers rape allegations in related to economic classes, and instead decide to focus a few hand picked examples, extrapolate opinions from them, and then project them onto all cases of that kind. That seems smarter to you?

You are better than this.

Anyways, you're clearly less interested in an actual conversation and more interested in being stubborn and combative for some strange reason.

Take care sherbro.

It's about being able to understand what you read. Your emotions are so wrapped up in white knighting you don't see the glaring fallacy and what's being misconstrued.

 

[fortheo]

It's about being able to understand what you read. Your emotions are so wrapped up in white knighting you don't see the glaring fallacy and what's being misconstrued.

You argue the data presented is confirmation bias while simultaneously presenting your opinions as the truth because you are an expert and have opinions after reading about Alex pereira's and elon musk's case. Then the people who disagree with you must want to sleep with the alleged victim. Come on man, I mean seriously???

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[krelianx]

Says the guy who copy pasted the first google searches he could find for confirmation bias without being able to sort out and filter the relevant data just for egos sake. The irony is palpable. I'm sure it'll go over your head though. Pretty much everything else has.

Right, the studies I linked to and quoted are selectively handpicked to confirm my biases, as opposed to the numerous other studies that show that the data presented by FBI, scientific research, and independent organizations, is false.

I am still waiting for the "data" and documentation that backs that sexual assault accusations happens ONLY against the rich and TYPICALLY without evidence.



The truth is, you are just an imbecile.

An uneducated, pompous moron who opens his mouth to vomit misogynist bullshit and tries to justify it in his own head by claiming it is "backed by data." When proven wrong, you call out people for confirmation bias, without having any evidence to show for it.

 

[MarleyLynx]

You argue the data presented is confirmation bias, while presenting your opinions are the truth because....you are an expert after reading about Alex pereira's and elon musk's case. Come on man, I mean seriously???

Whatever floats your boat man.

Imagine we had a discussion where I stated there's a breed of squirrel that's native to one region where 20% of the species was highly allergic to a rare nut found in less than 1% of their habitats. You then pull up numbers on total squirrel's reactions to eating basic nuts then use it to rebut my statement and boast around like a pigeon on a chess board knocking over all the pieces thinking you've done something. That's this thread rn. The only thing keeping up that side of the argument is arrogance founded entirely in ignorance while ironically projecting onto others.

 

[MarleyLynx]

Right, the studies I linked to and quoted are selectively handpicked to confirm my biases, as opposed to the numerous other studies that show that the data presented by FBI, scientific research, and independent organizations, is false.

I am still waiting for the "data" and documentation that backs that sexual assault accusations happens ONLY against the rich and TYPICALLY without evidence.

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The truth is, you are just an imbecile.

An uneducated, pompous moron who opens his mouth to vomit misogynist bullshit and tries to justify it in his own head by claiming it is "backed by data." When proven wrong, you call out people for confirmation bias, without having any evidence to show for it.

Truth of the matter is you're sub 80 iq and your arrogance bolsters your ignorance. You have a false sense of merit. It's dunning kruger in real time. It's okay though. Keep posting. You've got about 50 in this thread alone. I'm sure she'll get the message that you're a good guy.