Opinion McConnell to donors - single-payer is "far-left experiment," let's try repeal & replace again

[kpt018]

Absolutely, yes.

Pharmaceutical prices would probably involve some type of controls with the costs being set at a global median. Prices for medical services would be negotiated. But with the government payer ultimately holding virtually all the cards. (I haven't gotten into the weeds on Bernie's M4A proposal but this is essentially how the Canadian system functions.)

I think the costs of physicians is trickier than it seems (certainly not insurmountable). One way to accomplish this is to increase the supply of qualified medical doctors by removing artificial barriers like license maximums and perhaps creating tuition support for brilliant students from low income families, etc. driving salaries down.

I agree with you guys but just wanted to point out the cost drivers of healthcare.

 

[kahiljabroni]

Imagine Aetna was the sole private health insurance company in the entire nation. And imagine they couldn't increase the premiums of their customers and there were no out of pocket costs on any of their plans. Do you think Aetna would be paying more or less than they are now for hospital stays, surgeries, diagnostic testing, etc?

That's a cute story.

First off insurance companies have no incentive to lower healthcare prices. They make a certain percentage profit and pass on the costs to us. The larger the pie, the more they make. They'd rather have a 10% profit margin on 1 trillion, than 10% on a billion.

2nd off, the company doing the negotiating would essentially be the federal government...which if you didn't notice is owned by the healthcare industry. Rest assured, lobbyists would be writing the fine print in any single payer bill.

Essentially it would be a blank check...corporate well fare if you will.

 

[kahiljabroni]

I sure hope you don't use public roads. Because, you know, we decided to fund those cooperatively because it was more cost efficient that way and we all use the roads - just like it's more cost efficient to cooperatively pool healthcare funding since we all use it as well - but you wouldn't want to be a mooch in addition to being a moron.

Ya know if you just got a job that provided Insurance then you could get that sex change finally. You really don't need to wait around for gubment to pony up.

 

[Roaming East]

our country is full of assholes willing to murder anyone for shits and giggles and nobody blows this fucker away for a chance at fame and noteriety?
Some nut would rather hose a school full of toddlers and be thought universally evil but not put a bullet into some of the worse politicians we have and at LEAST have a few people calling them a hero?

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Mitch is the worst politician in all of American politics. Maybe ever.

He makes Paul Ryan look like Jesus Christ.

 

[Reactionary Corporatist]

What's unfortunate is that this is exactly how the democratic leadership and "mainstream centrist" dems like Pelosi and Biden also feel.

 

[ultramanhyata]

That's a cute story.

First off insurance companies have no incentive to lower healthcare prices. They make a certain percentage profit and pass on the costs to us. The larger the pie, the more they make. They'd rather have a 10% profit margin on 1 trillion, than 10% on a billion.

2nd off, the company doing the negotiating would essentially be the federal government...which if you didn't notice is owned by the healthcare industry. Rest assured, lobbyists would be writing the fine print in any single payer bill.

Essentially it would be a blank check...corporate well fare if you will.

So is this why prices for medical services and drugs are so much lower in the US than in the industrialized nations with single-payer?

Jesus...

 

[kpt018]

What's unfortunate is that this is exactly how the democratic leadership and "mainstream centrist" dems like Pelosi and Biden also feel.

Huh? Biden was VP and Pelosi was a major player (perhaps the most important) in getting the ACA passed. Your comment makes no sense!

 

[Trotsky]

So is this why prices for medical services and drugs are so much lower in the US than in the industrialized nations with single-payer?

Jesus...

It's no use. He's already demonstrated that his response to being proved wrong is bald name calling. If you tell a conservative that 2 + 2 = 4, he'll convince himself that it's actually 5 because you're a tranny-loving cuck.

 

[xcvbn]

I mean I provided a link to a story from Forbes which completely proves this post wrong.

Also it's only 8.8% of the population without healthcare. I really don't think its wise to completely change our healthcare system for 8.8% of peoplehttps://www.census.gov/library/publications/2018/demo/p60-264.html

Are there cost saving measures we can make, absolutely but dem like to pretend half the.country is dying in the streets.

But we should build a fucking wall to protect the, what, 0.000000001% of people killed by illegals?

Yeah, fuck those 30 million people without healthcare and fuck the tens of thousands at risk of death every year strictly due to the health insurance and pharmaceuticals industries.

Let's just screech about a fake border crisis because fuck those tens of thousands of Americans literally dying.

Just stop the fucking lunacy already.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Huh? Biden was VP and Pelosi was a major player (perhaps the most important) in getting the ACA passed. Your comment makes no sense!

ACA is basically a love letter to insurance companies though

 

[Headkicktoleg]

But we should build a fucking wall to protect the, what, 0.000000001% of people killed by illegals?

Yeah, fuck those 30 million people without healthcare and fuck the tens of thousands at risk of death every year strictly due to the health insurance and pharmaceuticals industries.

Let's just screech about a fake border crisis because fuck those tens of thousands of Americans literally dying.

Just stop the fucking lunacy already.

WTF does some dumb border wall that I don't even support have to do with healthcare? Also a border was is a few billion as opposed to trillions and trillions that would be healthcare.

 

[xcvbn]

Also a border was is a few billion as opposed to trillions and trillions that would be healthcare.

$100B =/= "a few billion"

SAVING TRILLIONS =/= spending trillions and trillions

 

[kpt018]

ACA is basically a love letter to insurance companies though

And to people who didn't have coverage before (low income, college students, etc.). It also helped slow cost growth. IMO it's a winner for most people (losers are folks that have large capital gains, for example).

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

ACA is basically a love letter to insurance companies though

If the ACA is a love letter than the GOP dream of repealing it must be a hot sloppy blowjob to the insurance companies.

 

[kahiljabroni]

So is this why prices for medical services and drugs are so much lower in the US than in the industrialized nations with single-payer?

Jesus...

We are not those other countries. .that's what you don't get. We can't even get congress to agree that medicare should be able to negotiate drug prices....there are actual laws preventing them from using their leverage.

Our bills are literally written by industry leaders. You really think congress is going to execute something like single payer in an effective manor?

 

[djacobox372]

Still waiting WTF they mean by "replace."

With what exactly?

 

[jamel]

This dude is the worst.

Has his hands in everything, even the cocaine game. He or his wife are major suppliers.

You would think him poisoning his community would have made big news when his ship The Ping May was captured... You know like they do for the average street pusher..but alas

 

[GSP_37]

How about make a better alternative that people will voluntarily go to then repeal? I have doubts he can or will make something better.

 

[Trotsky]

Still waiting WTF they mean by "replace."

With what exactly?

It gets the morons going.

Conservatives LOVE hating things for fun.