Media Mayweather squealing against Maidana

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

If we’re comparing it to other animals, sure. But I don’t see how that means it wouldn’t hurt if one human is biting another human? A human bite wouldn’t hurt a lion but it would hurt another human. I don’t see how that’s relevant at all.
So for starters, we’re going to have to post proof that lidocaine was actually used for this fight. To my knowledge it was only used in his earlier fights, when his hands first started breaking. Then like I said before, a mouth guard would add to the pressure you can make get through the glove. Lastly, have you ever tried it before? I think I would rather believe Floyd Mayweather than some random guy who has never laced up a pair of gloves in his life. But that’s just me.

What planet do you live on dude? He isn't biting through a gloved & wrapped hand while wearing a mouthguard. You heard what Kenny Bayless said, there were no bite marks. No bite impressions. Nothing there at all. He even double checked. This is analogous to a geriatric man with dentures trying to bite your hand through a pillow. Floyd has already admitted to using lidocaine. HBO covered it. It's a safe enough assumption to make considering that his hands had been fragile for many years prior to facing Maidana.

 

[Superzorro]

Source for the first claim? Yes, it's a fact that Maidana fought Floyd in his own backyard. Completely normal to do when facing the A-side but that doesn't change the fact that he was inherently at a disadvantage in that regard.

Here’s a couple of articles that mention it (x and x). The fight happened almost twenty years ago so a lot of the articles are gone now. But if you were around boxing back then, it was a pretty publicly known thing that De La Hoya chose a smaller ring and chose Mayweathers gloves for him. I’m actually surprised this is news to you. You seem to remember every negative press clipping about Floyd. You can still find forum posts from around that time talking about it (x).

Maidana fought Mayweather in his backyard like any lesser known, lesser accomplished champion with less belts, given the opportunity of a lifetime - to fight the face of boxing - would have to. This is nothing new. Floyd Mayweather fighting Marcos Maidana in Argentina? It’s so ludicrous I doubt that Team Maidana even pitched it as an idea. Where would they even fight? The only fitting place to have that fight is Vegas.

Maidana had advantages being the naturally bigger fighter, younger fighter who had fought more recently. If he was better than Mayweather, that would have been enough for him to get the victory.

 

[BoxingMMA]

it was kinda weird.

i would think a bite wouldn't go through a glove, but i guess who knows.

You don't know how hungry argentinians are.

 

[Superzorro]

What planet do you live on dude? He isn't biting through a gloved & wrapped hand while wearing a mouthguard. You heard what Kenny Bayless said, there were no bite marks. No bite impressions. Nothing there at all. He even double checked. This is analogous to a geriatric man with dentures trying to bite your hand through a pillow. Floyd has already admitted to using lidocaine. HBO covered it. It's a safe enough assumption to make considering that his hands had been fragile for many years prior to facing Maidana.

Why would there be bite impressions if he bit him through the glove with a mouth piece? Bite impressions would only exist if he bit Floyd on his bare skin with his teeth. Except Maidana isn’t a geriatric man. And boxing gloves are nothing like pillows. The only people who compare boxing gloves to pillows are MMA fans who don’t know anything about the sport. Is that you? Maidana was a boxer in his prime who trains his neck and jaw muscles to be able to withstand several hundreds of punches over the course of thirty minutes.

Floyd admitted to using Lidocaine up until the Harron fight, where it was banned. Floyd also wasn’t the only fighter to ever use it. De La Hoya introduced him to it. And it was mostly used in training camps, not the actual fight. It’s still to this day banned by the NSAC. So you’re essentially arguing that Mayweather was using a banned substance in cheating for this fight. I’m going to have to see some evidence of that, my good sir.

 

[BoxingMMA]

lol, come on. He stood in there with some of the biggest hitters of his weight classes. Got his teeth knocked out vs Maidana and went on to with the fight cleanly. Regularly won clean and clear decisions with glass hands. Almost always outlanded his opponents by a wide margin.

Floyd gets a bad rap because he refused to fight dumb against guys who could put his lights out. Its ridiculous. Always was and still is.

Almost agree with all of this take. He sure gets a bad rap and he was tougher than people make him out to be. But he sure as hell avoided risk. By his own admission. "maximum proffit for the least amount of risk" inside and outside the ring. Or took the risks when they were clearly not risks anymore.

Still, amazing fighter and one of the greats at navigating the sport in a business sense. Possibly the greatest. Canelo has been trying to emulate him but Floyd, on Canelo's shoes, would have never taken the Bivol fight. Canelo seems to have learned this and is now avoiding Benavidez till the end of time (lets hope this changes, I want to see that)

I only saw Floyd lose once clearly. Maidana 1 and DLH were close fights but he didn't lose either one. Too slick.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Here’s a couple of articles that mention it (x and x). The fight happened almost twenty years ago so a lot of the articles are gone now. But if you were around boxing back then, it was a pretty publicly known thing that De La Hoya chose a smaller ring and chose Mayweathers gloves for him. I’m actually surprised this is news to you. You seem to remember every negative press clipping about Floyd. You can still find forum posts from around that time talking about it (x).

Maidana fought Mayweather in his backyard like any lesser known, lesser accomplished champion with less belts, given the opportunity of a lifetime - to fight the face of boxing - would have to. This is nothing new. Floyd Mayweather fighting Marcos Maidana in Argentina? It’s so ludicrous I doubt that Team Maidana even pitched it as an idea. Where would they even fight? The only fitting place to have that fight is Vegas.

Maidana had advantages being the naturally bigger fighter, younger fighter who had fought more recently. If he was better than Mayweather, that would have been enough for him to get the victory.

So Oscar picked his gloves and Floyd agreed. This was put into the contract itself. Got it. Floyd vs Maidana was a different story. It wasn't in the contract and the commission had already approved the gloves Maidana wanted to wear. Floyd then threatened to pull out of the fight if he didn't get his way.

You seem to think that a fight always has to be in one fighter's backyard or the other's. No. There's this thing called neutral territory. They could've fought in Canada, the UK, anywhere on neutral ground outside of their home countries.

Maidana was the naturally bigger fighter? Nah.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Why would there be bite impressions if he bit him through the glove with a mouth piece? Bite impressions would only exist if he bit Floyd on his bare skin with his teeth. Except Maidana isn’t a geriatric man. And boxing gloves are nothing like pillows. The only people who compare boxing gloves to pillows are MMA fans who don’t know anything about the sport. Is that you? Maidana was a boxer in his prime who trains his neck and jaw muscles to be able to withstand several hundreds of punches over the course of thirty minutes.

Floyd admitted to using Lidocaine up until the Harron fight, where it was banned. Floyd also wasn’t the only fighter to ever use it. De La Hoya introduced him to it. And it was mostly used in training camps, not the actual fight. It’s still to this day banned by the NSAC. So you’re essentially arguing that Mayweather was using a banned substance in cheating for this fight. I’m going to have to see some evidence of that, my good sir.

You must not realize that traditional boxing mouthguards only cover the top row of your teeth. Some fighters do wear double mouthguards that cover both rows but I'm assuming that Maidana only had a typical upper mouthpiece in which would be able to show bite impressions/marks from the bottom teeth.

Floyd likely received a TUE for lidocaine from the NSAC. He's received them before. Remember the banned IV debacle before the Pac fight? USADA erroneously granted him a retroactive TUE without the NSAC's approval and the latter just went with it. Go figure.

 

[Superzorro]

So Oscar picked his gloves and Floyd agreed. This was put into the contract itself. Got it. Floyd vs Maidana was a different story. It wasn't in the contract and the commission had already approved the gloves Maidana wanted to wear. Floyd then threatened to pull out of the fight if he didn't get his way.

You seem to think that a fight always has to be in one fighter's backyard or the other's. No. There's this thing called neutral territory. They could've fought in Canada, the UK, anywhere on neutral ground outside of their home countries.

Maidana was the naturally bigger fighter? Nah.

Floyd chose the gloves for Maidana. Oscar chose the gloves for Mayweather. Mayweather agreed to the contract because he knew that Oscar wasn’t going to accept the fight under any other circumstance. Marcos also eventually agreed to wear different gloves. There’s not really a big difference here. And I think what little difference you’re suggesting is erased by the fact that Oscar was imposing all of this on the smaller man, and even chose the ring size.

And if the commission approving gloves was all that mattered, it wouldn’t be protocol for the fighters to try on and examine each others gloves the night before the fight. This happens in every professional boxing match, and they wouldn’t do it if the commission is supposed to have the final say. You sound like you’re new to this.

So if Maidana is not the naturally bigger fighter, surely you can find some examples of him making super featherweight? No, not super feather weight? Ok, how about lightweight?
So yeah, he’s a bigger fighter than Floyd. Floyd was naturally and at his best around 135lbs.

 

[Superzorro]

You must not realize that traditional boxing mouthguards only cover the top row of your teeth. Some fighters do wear double mouthguards that cover both rows but I'm assuming that Maidana only had a typical upper mouthpiece in which would be able to show bite impressions/marks from the bottom teeth.

Floyd likely received a TUE for lidocaine from the NSAC. He's received them before. Remember the banned IV debacle before the Pac fight? USADA erroneously granted him a retroactive TUE without the NSAC's approval and the latter just went with it. Go figure.

You don’t know where he bit Mayweather. You don’t know where his bottom row of teeth were, you don’t know where his top row of teeth were. You literally don’t know anything. So yeah, I’m going to believe the guy that was actually legitimately fouled. It’s strange to me how only with certain fighters, they get flack for when other people foul them. Can you imagine how bad it would be if it was Mayweather doing the biting? You guys would lose your minds. And I guarantee you wouldn’t call Maidana a coward if he had a bad reaction. I promise.

“Likely,” “I think,” “I feel,” “my hearts telling me.” That’s cool and all bro. But where’s the evidence? I’m a grown man so that’s the only thing I care about. And let’s stay on topic.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Floyd chose the gloves for Maidana. Oscar chose the gloves for Mayweather. Mayweather agreed to the contract because he knew that Oscar wasn’t going to accept the fight under any other circumstance. Marcos also eventually agreed to wear different gloves. There’s not really a big difference here. And I think what little difference you’re suggesting is erased by the fact that Oscar was imposing all of this on the smaller man, and even chose the ring size.

And if the commission approving gloves was all that mattered, it wouldn’t be protocol for the fighters to try on and examine each others gloves the night before the fight. This happens in every professional boxing match, and they wouldn’t do it if the commission is supposed to have the final say. You sound like you’re new to this.

So if Maidana is not the naturally bigger fighter, surely you can find some examples of him making super featherweight? No, not super feather weight? Ok, how about lightweight?
So yeah, he’s a bigger fighter than Floyd. Floyd was naturally and at his best around 135lbs.

Floyd used to make 130 when he was younger. What's your point? He has the naturally bigger frame which is why he was able to fight as high as JMW. He grew into a full-fledged welterweight.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

You don’t know where he bit Mayweather. You don’t know where his bottom row of teeth were, you don’t know where his top row of teeth were. You literally don’t know anything. So yeah, I’m going to believe the guy that was actually legitimately fouled. It’s strange to me how only with certain fighters, they get flack for when other people foul them. Can you imagine how bad it would be if it was Mayweather doing the biting? You guys would lose your minds. And I guarantee you wouldn’t call Maidana a coward if he had a bad reaction. I promise.

“Likely,” “I think,” “I feel,” “my hearts telling me.” That’s cool and all bro. But where’s the evidence? I’m a grown man so that’s the only thing I care about. And let’s stay on topic.

According to Floyd he bit his fingers (as if they were fully extended). Watch the video in the OP at the very end. He raised the fingers and no marks or redness were on them. The interviewer looked at them and said nothing. Did you even watch it? Apparently not.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

@Superzorro Well, I'll tell you exactly what Maidana wore in the ring with Floyd in both fights. It was a custom "Mouthpiece Guy" mouthguard to guard the upper set of his teeth. Here you go.

 

[Superzorro]

According to Floyd he bit his fingers (as if they were fully extended). Watch the video in the OP at the very end. He raised the fingers and no marks or redness were on them. The interviewer looked at them and said nothing. Did you even watch it? Apparently not.

And you know boxing gloves have less padding on the underside of the fingers right? There would be no point to Maidana biting him if Floyd weren’t going to feel it. So your argument is essentially contingent upon both Floyd Mayweather lying and Marcos Maidana being a complete idiot. Mine makes a lot more sense by comparison.

@Superzorro Well, I'll tell you exactly what Maidana wore in the ring with Floyd in both fights. It was a custom "Mouthpiece Guy" mouthguard to guard the upper set of his teeth. Here you go.

Has nothing to do with my point nor what I was asking for evidence of. I’ll let you try again though.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

And you know boxing gloves have less padding on the underside of the fingers right? There would be no point to Maidana biting him if Floyd weren’t going to feel it. So your argument is essentially contingent upon both Floyd Mayweather lying and Marcos Maidana being a complete idiot. Mine makes a lot more sense by comparison.

Has nothing to do with my point nor what I was asking for evidence of. I’ll let you try again though.

So, once more. Where are the bite marks or impressions? Bayles saw none, I saw none, and the interviewer that was close-up likely also saw nothing otherwise he would've indicated that he had. Why do no other boxers wearing mouthguards (single or double) bite their opponent's hand during a fight? Hint: because it's pointless and stupid.

 

[Superzorro]

So, once more. Where are the bite marks or impressions? Bayles saw none, I saw none, and the interviewer that was close-up likely also saw nothing otherwise he would've indicated that he had. Why do no other boxers wearing mouthguards (single or double) bite their opponent's hand during a fight? Hint: because it's pointless and stupid.

Kenny Bayless didn’t see anything because Mayweather was still wearing gloves. What are you saying? When Gennady Golovkin broke Kell Brooks orbital bone, do you think the impression would still be left on his gloves? Like you would see an orbital bone shaped crater left there? Impressions don’t get left on boxing gloves. Boxing gloves aren’t designed to do that. They go back to their original shape. And your interviewer didn’t see anything or you didn’t see anything? Where’s him saying that Mayweather’s hands looked fine? Post that for me.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Kenny Bayless didn’t see anything because Mayweather was still wearing gloves. What are you saying? When Gennady Golovkin broke Kell Brooks orbital bone, do you think the impression would still be left on his gloves? Like you would see an orbital bone shaped crater left there? Impressions don’t get left on boxing gloves. Boxing gloves aren’t designed to do that. They go back to their original shape. And your interviewer didn’t see anything or you didn’t see anything? Where’s him saying that Mayweather’s hands looked fine? Post that for me.

Remember Maidana's bottom row of teeth were exposed. Hence Bayless checking for bite marks. But, that's too complicated for you to process. Again, why do no other boxers bite their opponent's (gloved & wrapped) hands? The answer is because it just isn't effective. It isn't practical in terms of inflicting damage. Have you even seen the inside of Floyd's Grant gloves? I have. They're heavily padded with foam. You're not biting through that. Period.

 

[Superzorro]

Remember Maidana's bottom row of teeth were exposed. Hence Bayless checking for bite marks. But, that's too complicated for you to process. Again, why do no other boxers bite their opponent's (gloved & wrapped) hands? The answer is because it just isn't effective. It isn't practical in terms of inflicting damage. Have you even seen the inside of Floyd's Grant gloves? I have. They're heavily padded with foam. You're not biting through that. Period.

No they don’t do it … because it’s against the rules? Jesus Christ, someone please help this man. You’re like… logically impaired based on these arguments. Do people not bring guns and knives because they’re ineffective? Takedowns? Kicks too?


And then the “you’re not biting through that,” have you tested it? Apparently Maidana did. So you might want to run that experiment back. But who am I kidding? You haven’t tested anything. You’re just talking based on how you feel, not what actually occurred. No matter how much padding is in the glove, it’s going to be primarily protecting the overhand side, not the underhand. If the hand is extended and it’s on the other side, there’s hardly anything there.

Oh you have? Of his gloves specifically? Show me a picture. It’s crazy to me that you’re going to these lengths to defend a cheater. I guess biting should be a legal part of the sport now. You heard it here first. You dislike Floyd Mayweather that much? That’s insane to me. He’s just one fighter. You don’t have to make a fool of yourself to contend this one point.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

No they don’t do it … because it’s against the rules? Jesus Christ, someone please help this man. You’re like… logically impaired based on these arguments. Do people not bring guns and knives because they’re ineffective? Takedowns? Kicks too?

Oh you have? Of his gloves specifically? Show me a picture. It’s crazy to me that you’re going to these lengths to defend a cheater. I guess biting should be a legal part of the sport now. You heard it here first. You dislike Floyd Mayweather that much? That’s insane to me. He’s just one fighter. You don’t have to make a fool of yourself to contend this one point.

Defend a cheater? I've always maintained that Maidana should've had points taken if not been disqualified. Feel free to look through my post history to independently confirm that for yourself. You can also review my post history as it pertains to Floyd. Very few of my posts within the last 9 years could be considered hating on him.

Floyd wears competition gloves from Grant that are designed for protection. They're not a puncher's glove (which are usually made of horse hair). The outside is genuine leather for most Grant gloves and the ones that aren't are typically polyurethane. Some of these gloves have multiple layers of genuine or synthetic leather on top of multiple layers of foam (latex foam, closed-cell, EVA etc). You're not penetrating that with a bite. The average human bite is only 120-160 PSI. These gloves are designed to absorb and distribute impact over 800+ PSI. The larger gloves (10 oz) can even handle 1,500 PSI. At worst Floyd experienced some minor discomfort not pain. You're really reaching if you think otherwise.

 

[Superzorro]

Defend a cheater? I've always maintained that Maidana should've had points taken if not been disqualified. Feel free to look through my post history to independently confirm that for yourself. You can also review my post history as it pertains to Floyd. Very few of my posts within the last 9 years could be considered hating on him.

Floyd wears competition gloves from Grant that are designed for protection. They're not a puncher's glove (which are usually made of horse hair). The outside is genuine leather for most Grant gloves and the ones that aren't are typically polyurethane. Some of these gloves have multiple layers of genuine or synthetic leather on top of multiple layers of foam (latex foam, closed-cell, EVA etc). You're not penetrating that with a bite. The average human bite is only 120-160 PSI. These gloves are designed to absorb and distribute impact over 800+ PSI. The larger gloves (10 oz) can even handle 1,500 PSI. At worst Floyd experienced some minor discomfort not pain. You're really reaching if you think otherwise.

Like with any type of boxing glove, that protection never applies to the underhand side of the fingers. They’re not made to protect that area of the hand. Fact or fiction?
That’s how you feel though. There’s no actual evidence to prove it. All we have is his reaction. And there were greater boxing minds than all of us put together ringside, including Mayweather himself. Why would he and his trainers have that reaction if it were that improbable that someone could be bitten on the hand? And we know he has compromised hands to begin with. You’re not making any sense.

You have to jump through all these hoops of improbability and conspiracy theories for what you’re saying to be true. Considering Occam’s razor, it’s just not likely.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Like with any type of boxing glove, that protection never applies to the underhand side of the fingers. They’re not made to protect that area of the hand. Fact or fiction?
That’s how you feel though. There’s no actual evidence to prove it. All we have is his reaction. And there were greater boxing minds than all of us put together ringside, including Mayweather himself. Why would he and his trainers have that reaction if it were that improbable that someone could be bitten on the hand? And we know he has compromised hands to begin with. You’re not making any sense.

You have to jump through all these hoops of improbability and conspiracy theories for what you’re saying to be true. Considering Occam’s razor, it’s just not likely.

Yes, it does apply to the fingers. Even the thumb. Boxing gloves are designed for both hand and finger protection. Imagine all of the pro fighters out there wearing competition gloves that would be breaking their fingers in fights if they weren't protected by padding (again, usually an inner & outer layer of foam or other cushioning material). You're totally clueless.