Max vs Gaethje is dumb it does nothing for Max change my mind

[Kono dio da!]

So this fight is rumored for UFC 300 by uncle "I never lie" Chael. First of all I kinda predicted it would happen because I listed in in my "UFC 300 card" thread

And I also think that it's a really sick fight

I just don't see the point for Max. At all. For Gaethje yes it's great he gets a win against a FW legend and will set up a title fight thanks to it.

But for Max? He doesn't have the style nor the physicality to deal with Gaethje.

I can count on one hand the times where Holloway grappled offensively, which is Gaethje's kryptonite.

Max is not going to put Gaethje out, JG can take a shot, not a shot he can take plenty of them. The last time he was overwhelmed standing up was against Poirier in their first fight, which was when ? 2018 I think ? So 5 years ago, will be 6 years ago by UFC 300 time.

Max should chill and see if Topuria beats Volk. And if yes position himself for a FW TS.

Change my mind.

Or fight RDA or another lightweight who doesn't pose as much of a threat.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Suggest a better fight then. Even if he loses and there's a new champion at featherweight he will still get a title shot easily. It doesn't derail his featherweight career.

Like the entire premise is based that he will just lose automatically. How the hell is there nothing in it for him if he beats Gaethje? He will obviously be the #1 contender at 155, or next in line.


People complaining that this is a bad fight for Max because he lost to Dustin are not thinking about the overall landscape of featherweight. Max has beaten everyone already and he has fought Volk 3 times. He has nowhere else to go but another division for the time being. Who should he move up to fight, Dan Hooker?

 

[HavokHarmon]

Yeah, if anything I’d say this fight doesn’t do much for Gaethje. Max, if he wins, gets fast-tracked to a title shot in a division where he hasn’t competed in years. Justin, meanwhile, simply beats a past-prime smaller guy who’s barely .500 in his past 10 fights.

Yeah that’s what makes it make sense for me.

Justin is more likely to win but has the least to gain.

Max is unlikely to win but has the most to gain.

Makes sense for Justin because he’s likely to win.

Makes sense for Max because he has a lot to gain if he were to win.

Sunrise, sunset.

 

[Brock_Tober]

So this fight is rumored for UFC 300 by uncle "I never lie" Chael. First of all I kinda predicted it would happen because I listed in in my "UFC 300 card" thread

And I also think that it's a really sick fight

I just don't see the point for Max. At all. For Gaethje yes it's great he gets a win against a FW legend and will set up a title fight thanks to it.

But for Max? He doesn't have the style nor the physicality to deal with Gaethje.

I can count on one hand the times where Holloway grappled offensively, which is Gaethje's kryptonite.

Max is not going to put Gaethje out, JG can take a shot, not a shot he can take plenty of them. The last time he was overwhelmed standing up was against Poirier in their first fight, which was when ? 2018 I think ? So 5 years ago, will be 6 years ago by UFC 300 time.

Max should chill and see if Topuria beats Volk. And if yes position himself for a FW TS.

Change my mind.

So beating a top guy and reaping the benefits does nothing for Max?

 

[Gregoire1]

It really getting to me, that they just use old trash washed-up LW (or WW and FW sometimes) gatekeepers and promote them as dominant fighters like prime Jones, GSP, Khabib ect....
Diaz, Conor, Poirier, Mas, Max, Justin... Then they will stop??????!!!!

 

[spooNN]

Sure, if somehow schools or knocks out Justin (I doubt) I think it puts him 1 fight away from a title shot at LW.

 

[bng]

max wants CTE holidays

 

[Gladiator24]

He gets the opportunity to win the prestigious BMF belt, the greatest belt in all of sports

 

[13Seconds]

It's a badass fight

 

[Levi_]

Beating Gaethje would be pretty big for his legacy & is a ticket to a lightweight title shot, it does plenty for him.

Right but to be fair, that is only one side of the coin- the question was whether it would be a smart decision rather than if there were benefits in the event of a win (which no one disagrees with). I think his chances of winning are too low to make it a good decision.

 

[HHJ]

Max is gonna get destroyed methinks. Career altering.

 

[nonoob]

Justin will make Max regret taking the fight.
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[jeff7b9]

Big risk big reward.

I think it most likely goes like Max's fight with Poirier for the LW silver medal belt.

Max just doesn't have the power for 155, honestly he doesn't have good power for 145.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

BMF belt FTW

 

[jeff7b9]

Right but to be fair, that is only one side of the coin- the question was whether it would be a smart decision rather than if there were benefits in the event of a win (which no one disagrees with). I think his chances of winning are too low to make it a good decision.

If it comes with title fight pay (I think it does) then the financial upside could be pretty huge.

PPV points on a stacked card could be lucrative. UFC is definitely going to promote the shit out of the card and if they manage to put Conor vs Chandler as headliner then the numbers could be insane.

PPV bonus on a million+ PPV is 7 figures. And realistically Max has very little other path to a title shot as it stands now.

 

[StonedLemur]

Max has to be my favorite active fighter... and this isn't the fight for him... he is perfectly suited for 145... he doesn't have the power for 155... and he wouldn't really even gain it if he lifted to put on weight... he's a better striker than Justin... but he will hit Justin 50 times to 30 each round and Justin will win because the power differential is just too much.

Max is my favorite fighter and this is exactly what I'm worried about myself sir.

 

[Human Bass]

Dumb but fun

 

[Levi_]

If it comes with title fight pay (I think it does) then the financial upside could be pretty huge.

PPV points on a stacked card could be lucrative. UFC is definitely going to promote the shit out of the card and if they manage to put Conor vs Chandler as headliner then the numbers could be insane.

PPV bonus on a million+ PPV is 7 figures. And realistically Max has very little other path to a title shot as it stands now.

True, and those are all motivating factors that played into him taking the fight.

If I were in his shoes, I would take what I already had (which should be substantial enough to live on if well managed) and perhaps some less lucrative fights; with all of the previous damage, I think another fight like the one against Dustin (or perhaps worse, Justin is hitting people awfully hard these days) could be a true detriment for old age. Max could also always teach and have a lucrative career after fighting.

I could see the allure of the fight for him, I just wouldn't risk it against bigger, harder punchers when weighing positives and negatives. Max and Justin do the same thing in terms of standing and striking, so there isn't any kind of matchup advantage for Max; Justin is just bigger and stronger in doing the same thing.

 

[blaseblase]

Max isn't getting another title shot unless Volk loses 2 fights in a row. What is he accomplishing at FW right now exactly? The only reason people are downplaying this fight with Gaethje is because he has a loss to Poirier from 5 years. Did everyone forget that Poirier also knocked out Gaethje 5 years ago? The guy was a beast. Max deserves another shot at being a lightweight contender. It's better than sitting around twiddling his thumbs and waiting for Volk to go out of prime.

 

[Reanimated]

It does lots for Max.

Shortens his life a couple years
Gives him the CTE
Sidelines him for 6-12 months
Eliminates any shot at Gold ever again

That's just for losing.

On the outside chance actually wins he gets whatever he wants after. Title shots in the weight class of his choosing, other money fights like a rematch with Conor for the BMF title. A boxing match with Jake Paul. Also CTE and a suspension.