International Massive Blackout in Iberia

Badr Hari said:
With some candles and some gas I'll be fine during this spring time. Let's be honest, most people panic because of being disconnected from the internet.
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Hey super dumb question but does anyone know if gaz heating shuts down in case of an electricity blackout? I have gaz heating at home but it‘s all regulated by some digital electronic device.
 
A wake up call will soon be ignored and forgotten.
 
Really weird. From the limited information available it looks like the cause was such a low demand in the shoulder months, with high supply from solar and wind which are much more variable than nuclear/oil/coal power plants which are "sluggish" in response to demand, that the system got unstable. Inverters everywhere trying to frequency match with no backbone (either nuclear or fossil fuel power plant at a steady RPM, or enough pull of a demand to hold power draw steady)

Spain doesn't have a high throughput to share excess power with neighbors other than portugal*. So that excess energy (gonna try to use an analogy here) made the system topheavy. Then something (as yet unknown) wobbled it and it collapsed and system tripped offline to avoid massive damage (so yay! at least that works).

*Yes their grid is connected with France's but it usually operates as an island and power sharing of greater quantities has to be planned in advance. Normally not a problem, you know when extra hot days are coming or when a power plant is down for maintenance. Having to share to offload excess power is rare.

Very very interested in more details.
 
syct23 said:
@Scerpi just found his thread for the day, he’s going all in.

Full Throated…
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I don‘t want to make this poliitical but solar and wind does cause grid instability and blackouts because peak production happens at once. That‘s why you need a combustible source in the mix. It doesn t need to be Russian natural gas it can be LNG from green biogas.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
I don‘t want to make this poliitical but solar and wind does cause grid instability and blackouts because peak production happens at once. That‘s why you need a combustible source in the mix. It doesn t need to be Russian natural gas it can be LNG from green biogas.
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I wonder if the designers thought of that…
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
Hey super dumb question but does anyone know if gaz heating shuts down in case of an electricity blackout? I have gaz heating at home but it‘s all regulated by some digital electronic device.
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Modern systems shut down in a power cut, but an older and more basic system might keep running.
 
650lb Sumo said:
Modern systems shut down in a power cut, but an older and more basic system might keep running.
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A gas oven won't work... as it requires power to turn on and control temperature.

Same for a gas water heater or a gas furnace. There's nothing to turn it on and control the solenoid valves.

However, a gas stove would work because all it needs is ignition and the dial controls intensity.
 
Scerpi said:
A gas oven won't work... as it requires power to turn on and control temperature.

Same for a gas water heater or a gas furnace. There's nothing to turn it on and control the solenoid valves.

However, a gas stove would work because all it needs is ignition and the dial controls intensity.
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@KBE6EKCTAH_CCP asked about heating, not cooking, but the more modern gas ovens won't work without electricity. I'm not sure what you mean by stove tbh, this seems to be a difference between British/Commonwealth/US and Canadian English. But I think you mean this:

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which, if it is on the top of the oven, part of the same appliance, will not work without electricity on a more modern model.

I suppose there might be some which were produced in an intermediate period though, where without electricity the oven won't work but the burners on top will. Edit: There are.

Edit: A thread I made on this kind of topic not long ago:

650lb Sumo

Thread 'I am unnerved by modern vehicles.'

If you haven't read The Machine Stops (1909) by E. M. Forster, please go and do so (it's short) before continuing.

As I was coming up cars, and any vehicle I controlled for that matter (dumper, tractor, boat, plane) had no computers/electrics. Before someone jumps in with an acshully, yes obviously they had starter motors, spark plugs if petrol, radios and lights etc. but that was it. Small cars didn't even have power steering. And yes there were probably some cars with electric windows in the 30s and so on. I'm referring to the everyman's experience...
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My buddy in Porto said the rumors are spreading for possible causes faster than the media can control it because....there is a blackout. 1st reason is a technical issue within the European power grid system, which caused a widespread disturbance across interconnected networks. Another suspected cause was a wildfire on Mount Alaric in southwest France. The fire may have destroyed a high-voltage power cable that which may have added stress to the grid system. And now they think maybe an atmospheric event. What a crazy thing to really have no clue.
 
syct23 said:
@Scerpi just found his thread for the day, he’s going all in.

Full Throated…
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I'm good... lol

I mean... two entire countries just lost power.

No biggie... just two entire countries

Now it's wait and see time. What happened and what will be decisions moving forward.



I mean... It's not like they trashed their some of their nuclear plants for absolutely no reason and have plans to crater the rest.

Why? It's so fucking stupid. The EU is being run by morons.



Lets see how this little incident effects the EU's course of energy production

I love how France is telling the rest of the EU to go fuck themselves on eliminating nuclear power.
 
650lb Sumo said:
@KBE6EKCTAH_CCP asked about heating, not cooking, but the more modern gas ovens won't work without electricity. I'm not sure what you mean by stove tbh, this seems to be a difference between British/Commonwealth/US and Canadian English. But I think you mean this:

4FEB5C93-F6DA-475B-9FB7C0A2A73227E9_source.jpg


which, if it is on the top of the oven, part of the same appliance, will not work without electricity on a more modern model.

I suppose there might be some which were produced in an intermediate period though, where without electricity the oven won't work but the burners on top will.

Edit: A thread I made on this kind of topic not long ago:

650lb Sumo

Thread 'I am unnerved by modern vehicles.'

If you haven't read The Machine Stops (1909) by E. M. Forster, please go and do so (it's short) before continuing.

As I was coming up cars, and any vehicle I controlled for that matter (dumper, tractor, boat, plane) had no computers/electrics. Before someone jumps in with an acshully, yes obviously they had starter motors, spark plugs if petrol, radios and lights etc. but that was it. Small cars didn't even have power steering. And yes there were probably some cars with electric windows in the 30s and so on. I'm referring to the everyman's experience...
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Ahhh... I have an newer oven/stove.


And the burners on top absolutely do work even when there's no power. I've done it many times.

And that's been the case since gas ovens/stoves were invented. Very old school gas stove tops required matches to ignite them. My grandparent's oven (ranch in Colorado) are still that way. The damn thing is from the 60's I think.

When power is out, I just have to use a lighter to get them lit because the igniter is electric.

The only thing I can think of is there's been a recent change in the last few years to prevent gas from turning on at all during a power outage. Which is definitely possible.
 
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I Am Legion said:
My buddy in Porto said the rumors are spreading for possible causes faster than the media can control it because....there is a blackout. 1st reason is a technical issue within the European power grid system, which caused a widespread disturbance across interconnected networks. Another suspected cause was a wildfire on Mount Alaric in southwest France. The fire may have destroyed a high-voltage power cable that which may have added stress to the grid system. And now they think maybe an atmospheric event. What a crazy thing to really have no clue.
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My contacts in Spain got through to me, Portugal no luck though. Apprantly atmospheric event is debunked already.
 
I'm not an expert on renewable energy, but something with big change you will have bumps in the road. Now, if this is due to that, it's a pretty big helluva bump and things need to be examined, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions. I know work wise I've been in situations where we make big changes and things go sideways only to find out the reason had nothing to do with the project we were working on.
 
Scerpi said:
I'm good... lol

I mean... two entire countries just lost power.

No biggie... just two entire countries

Now it's wait and see time. What happened and what will be decisions moving forward.



I mean... It's not like they trashed their some of their nuclear plants for absolutely no reason and have plans to crater the rest.

Why? It's so fucking stupid. The EU is being run by morons.



Lets see how this little incident effects the EU's course of energy production

I love how France is telling the rest of the EU to go fuck themselves on eliminating nuclear power.
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*clinks glass

I understand that the power is back on and that sabotage was ruled out..

Read somewhere that someone was trying to say that it may have been something Astronomical but was also ruled out.

France knows what’s up.

The rest of the world is trying to figure out how to convert water into electricity. Well France is focusing on Nuclear and making itself a self sustaining generator.

Nuclear is the missing link. Humans need to learn to tame the nuclear reactors in order to buy the time for humans to figure out how to successfully contain and control nature for excess energy..
 
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