International Massive Blackout in Iberia

I've seen this discussion as well. How the governments in the EU (and possibly the US) want to move to a cashless society and digital currencies.



I'm torn on it. I barely use cash anymore. But I do pull out cash at times to keep on hand.

But going completely cashless seems like it has major issues.
 
*clinks glass

I understand that the power is back on and that sabotage was ruled out..

Read somewhere that someone was trying to say that it may have been something Astronomical but was also ruled out.

France knows what’s up.

The rest of the world is trying to figure out how to convert water into electricity. Well France is focusing on Nuclear and making itself a self sustaining generator.

Nuclear is the missing link. Humans need to learn to tame the nuclear reactors in order to buy the time for humans to figure out how to successfully contain and control nature for excess energy..

I love these stories...

They know what happened. They absolutely know.

The spin machine is in full operation mode now and they're trying to fabricate a cause that won't make their governments look completely inept, corrupt or negligent. Likely all three


MADRID (AP) — The cause of Spain and Portugal’s widespread blackouts remained a mystery on Tuesday, with some isolated disruption remaining after power was largely restored.

One of Europe’s most severe blackouts grounded flights, paralyzed train systems, disrupted mobile communications and shut down ATMs across the Iberian Peninsula on Monday.

By 11 a.m. on Tuesday, the Spanish electrical system was functioning normally, electricity operator Red Eléctrica said. Portuguese grid operator REN said power had been restored to all 6.4 million customers.

As life began to return to normal, authorities in Spain had yet to provide further explanation for why the nation of 49 million people lost 15 gigawatts — equivalent to 60% of its national demand — in five seconds.
 
I love these stories...

They know what happened. They absolutely know.

The spin machine is in full operation mode now and they're trying to fabricate a cause that won't make their governments look completely inept, corrupt or negligent. Likely all three


MADRID (AP) — The cause of Spain and Portugal’s widespread blackouts remained a mystery on Tuesday, with some isolated disruption remaining after power was largely restored.

One of Europe’s most severe blackouts grounded flights, paralyzed train systems, disrupted mobile communications and shut down ATMs across the Iberian Peninsula on Monday.

By 11 a.m. on Tuesday, the Spanish electrical system was functioning normally, electricity operator Red Eléctrica said. Portuguese grid operator REN said power had been restored to all 6.4 million customers.

As life began to return to normal, authorities in Spain had yet to provide further explanation for why the nation of 49 million people lost 15 gigawatts — equivalent to 60% of its national demand — in five seconds.
Oh those fuckers know,

An entire Country/Peninsula! Fixed in a few hours… they know.
 
It'll be interesting...





Yeah electrical systems can handle voltage fluctuations in general, most supply companies aren't required to supply exactly 230V AC (think it's 110V AC in the US). But frequency is one thing that can't vary much at all, that's a real concern.
 
Ahhh... I have an newer oven/stove.


And the burners on top absolutely do work even when there's no power. I've done it many times.

And that's been the case since gas ovens/stoves were invented. Very old school gas stove tops required matches to ignite them. My grandparent's oven (ranch in Colorado) are still that way. The damn thing is from the 60's I think.

When power is out, I just have to use a lighter to get them lit because the igniter is electric.

The only thing I can think of is there's been a recent change in the last few years to prevent gas from turning on at all during a power outage. Which is definitely possible.
I'm not doubting your experience, and I also have used older gas ovens/hobs (stove/burners). You just must not have encountered the latest generation of them yet. Maybe we're a little ahead of you in the UK with this obnoxious and sinister technology, or maybe it's just chance. Anyway, the latest ones will not supply gas if there is no electricity.
 
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Hey super dumb question but does anyone know if gaz heating shuts down in case of an electricity blackout? I have gaz heating at home but it‘s all regulated by some digital electronic device.

It shuts down. But if blackout becomes a regular thing you can buy a device that empowers the regulator through some battery since it needs low power
 
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Spain has declared a state of emergency after a massive power cut hit large parts of the country and Portugal, causing widespread disruption

More than half of Spain's power has been restored, Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez says, but authorities have not yet established why the outage occurred

There was "no indication" that the power cut was caused by a cyber attack, the Portuguese Prime Minister Luís Montenegro, said

People report driving to find open petrol stations, teaching in the dark - and trying to find beer pumps in Benidorm

The authorities are trying to project an air of calm but they've increased deployments of security forces and are calling on people to limit their mobile phone use, writes the BBC's Europe regional editor

This OP was very bare bones as I was low on time/energy/willpower. Let me fill it in/condense it a bit:


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(1) The UK had anomalous power activity a few hours before the Blackout.
(2) Spain and Portugal had the worst blackout in living memory yesterday. They lost mains power almost completely, for over twelve hours. Some things aren't back online even now.
(3) A state of emergency was declared in Spain.
(4) There were some reports of areas in Italy or southern France being affected, to a lesser extent.
(5) The authorities either don't know, or are pretending not to know what caused this.
Cyberattack?
Rare Atmospheric Phenomenon?
Large-scale switching from traditional power sources to renewables caused it?
The above large-scale switching made the system less resilient to problems, and whatever caused the problem therefore did much more damage than it would have done, before the switch?

(6) The Spanish and Portuguese Governments, and the European Commission are investigating this incident.
 
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I'm not doubting your experience, and I also have used older gas ovens/hobs. You just must not have encountered the latest generation of them yet. Maybe we're a little ahead of you in the UK with this obnoxious and sinister technology, or maybe it's just chance. Anyway, the latest ones will not supply gas if there is no electricity.

Fucking stupid

Having a gas stove available during an extended power outage is a major help.

Now they took that away too

Morons

Maybe it is a UK thing. You’re not called the nanny state for nothing
 
I've seen this discussion as well. How the governments in the EU (and possibly the US) want to move to a cashless society and digital currencies.



I'm torn on it. I barely use cash anymore. But I do pull out cash at times to keep on hand.

But going completely cashless seems like it has major issues.

Real ID is the first step to a cashless society
 
I'm aware that repeatedly correcting people necessarily annoys them, and other normies who notice, and is generally not only futile but counter-productive. So I refrain sometimes, but then sometimes after doing so I decide to after all come back and add those corrections.
A gas oven won't work... as it requires power to turn on and control temperature.

Same for a gas water heater or a gas furnace. There's nothing to turn it on and control the solenoid valves.

However, a gas stove would work because all it needs is ignition and the dial controls intensity.
Ahhh... I have an newer oven/stove.


And the burners on top absolutely do work even when there's no power. I've done it many times.

And that's been the case since gas ovens/stoves were invented. Very old school gas stove tops required matches to ignite them. My grandparent's oven (ranch in Colorado) are still that way. The damn thing is from the 60's I think.

When power is out, I just have to use a lighter to get them lit because the igniter is electric.

The only thing I can think of is there's been a recent change in the last few years to prevent gas from turning on at all during a power outage. Which is definitely possible.
Fucking stupid

Having a gas stove available during an extended power outage is a major help.

Now they took that away too

Morons

Maybe it is a UK thing. You’re not called the nanny state for nothing
An old enough gas oven won't even be connected to electricity.
One younger than that will be connected to electricity, but will work without it. You will have to light it with a match or similar. Like the hobs (stove/burners) in your example.
The more modern ones, as we have covered, will either not work at all, or only the hobs (stove/burners) will work.
The existence of gas ovens, whose hobs (stove/burners) will not work without electricty, is implied in your link.

The use of 'furnace' sounds quite comical to the British ear in this context. Again I'm not trying to be offensive, but stating this kind of thing offends normies anyway. It doesn't matter how friendly and polite you are about it, or whether you say you're not trying to be offensive or not. Edit: It conjures up an image of like a glassblowing furnace or something in my mind. But we do use the same word for a torch of burning, fat-smeared rushes and an electric handheld light.

Anyway I looked it up and it's generally called a 'boiler' over here. As I said old ones will work without electricity. But I doubt there will be many people who read this who have one old enough for that.

I wouldn't exactly say there's nothing to 'turn it on' without electricity, because you could remove the panel and light it with a match, which I would argue is 'turning it on'. But as you said there are various bits in there which won't work without electricity, including a solenoid valve which will not open without electricity, allowing gas in.

By the way I used to live in a house which had actual fuse wires which would melt through when there was an overload. Instead of breaker switches. You would go to the hardware store and buy little red bits of cardboard with lengths of different thicknesses of wire wrapped around to replace them.

On another tangent a lot of people used to kill themselves in the UK by putting their heads in the oven and switching on the gas (without lighting it). This was when the gas was coal gas, which has a lot of carbon monoxide in. I expect they didn't add a nasty-smelling substance either. In the 60s/70s the supply was switched to natural gas, which would be much slower and more unpleasant to kill yourself with, and they add mercaptan to give it that unpleasant smell. So you don't hear about people gassing themselves in their ovens any more.

They're not stupid, they're evil. You are the foolish one, for thinking they're stupid. They want to reduce us to subhuman slaves with all our appliances under their monitoring and remote control.
 
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Oh those fuckers know,

An entire Country/Peninsula! Fixed in a few hours… they know.

Here they go... The Spin Machine is ramping up...

Kind of







Preliminary reports describe a “very strong oscillation” in the network and suggest the event began with an unexpected disturbance, possibly linked to a sudden drop in generation or an equipment fault.

But that doesn’t change the fact that the Spanish grid lacks inertia, and that if it had had more inertia in the system the blackout could have been avoided or at least contained. Inertia is not a theoretical nicety, it’s a physical property provided by heavy, spinning generators like those in gas, coal, and nuclear plants, which naturally resist sudden changes in frequency.

On the day of the blackout, nearly 80 percent of Spain’s electricity came from inverter-based solar and wind sources, which provide no such stabilizing force. With so few conventional plants online, the grid had virtually no buffer to absorb even a minor shock. When the disturbance hit, the frequency plunged and the system unraveled within seconds. Unlike older grids built around rotating mass, Spain’s modern, ultra-light grid simply had no way to withstand the sudden imbalance.

And Spain’s electrical grid operator admitted on a conference call yesterday that it was a “massive” loss of renewable energy generation that triggered the blackout and said that it was “very likely” the initial disturbance came from solar...

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- I imagine it's was a hell of crime waves?
 


'60s boiler works without electricity fairly easily: set it to manual mode and adjust the valves manually. According to my superifical research the company stopped making boilers in '68 so that's the latest I think it could have been made.

Here's a coal-fired boiler from 1905, converted to gas in '61. No need to worry about power cuts here either!

 
Portugal should embrace nuclear power for a clean energy future and weigh the option of nuclear weapons for top tier defense. Because, let’s be real, nothing says ‘don’t fuck with us’ to the globalists when you have fat man and little boy. Siiiiiiiuuuu!!!!


I’m 90% sure globalists are testing power blackouts in Iberia to control people in the rest of Europe.
 
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I was only trying to be humorous with my comparisons of different versions of English, I wouldn't want anyone to think I was having a go.

Portugal should embrace nuclear power for a clean energy future and weigh the option of nuclear weapons for top tier defense. Because, let’s be real, nothing says ‘don’t fuck with us’ to the globalists when you have fat man and little boy. Siiiiiiiuuuu!!!!


I’m 90% sure globalists are testing power blackouts in Iberia to control people in the rest of Europe.
It would be a bit less relaxed if this happened in say, Finland in winter. Although 12 hours or so wouldn't be long enough for people to get too cold.
 
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A quick reality check for a lot of people who rely on technology and modern convenience. Every few years we have a massive blackout in the US. Whether it is snow in the NE, fires in Cali, hurricanes in NC, etc. People forget how critical electricity is.

How much is a backup generator for your home?

A lot of people find out how much they are about to get gouged after about 3 days without and they are all gone from Lowes. People start trucking them in and selling for 500%. Know what happens 2 months after the power gets restored? People sell them for pennies on the dollar because it could NEVER happen again.

People have got to learn to be more self reliant. You are gonna lose power. Get rid of nuclear, choke off coal fired plants and go green this is gonna happen more frequently.

I've got about 3200w of solar going into 1500AH of lithium. That powers 97% of my electricity needs. On days without sun I have a 13.5KW cummins that sips about .8 gal of diesel per hour holding 272 gal of diesel in my tanks. If that goes down I have a little 2k Honda EU generator that runs on gasoline.

TLDR: go buy a backup generator, even a predator from Harbor Frieght for under $1k. Do it today.
 
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