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[Rob Battisti]

The Israel lobby is a manifestation of the fact that many Americans legitimately believe in supporting Israel. On the right its a combination of the inertia that the long time bipartisan consensus created, a little bit of anti-Muslim bias, and a reaction to progressive anti-Zionist and anti-colonial sentiment while on the left its a function of the fact that Jewish folks are an influential political bloc among Democrats who then make connections with others left of center in the Democrat tent who don't generally care about foreign policy and so by default support the position of their Jewish colleagues and constituents like Ritchie Torres, Hakeem Jeffries, and Eric Adams.

People too often frame the Israel lobby as some nefarious outside force but really you can say the "call is coming from inside the house"

To be clear Zionists, Jewish and otherwise, have a right to argue their viewpoint and if they have more influence to do so in a cosmopolitan society like ours there's nothing inherently wrong with that. What I disagree with is the recent crackdown on anti-Zionist protesters and in fairness even people like Chuck Schumer have pushed back against it.

I don’t get why average Americans support Israel outside of the propaganda works

 

[avenue94]

sorry, but it’s YOU who is trying to insist 2 things are the same when they clearly are not.

It’s not “immaterial”. One is black and white. One is open to interpretation. Hamas IS a terror org. The proud boys are not. Again, this is just factual. One can organize locally. One cannot. One can get local funding. One cannot. They are treated under the law very different. This isn’t debatable.

Again, you were the one arguing that the law should be applied regardless of whether or not a group is officially a designated terror group or merely a group partaking in terror activities. I quoted you saying exactly that in another thread, but now you want to back peddle and insist that only official terror groups qualify?

ude, wtf are you talking about? I’d throw out both terror supporters and phile supporters. That doesn’t automatically make the law apply the same to both. I don’t give a fuck about this Milo guy.

It does under your interpretation and more importantly the Trump administration's interpretation of this law. Which is why multiple people in the other thread called you out for ignoring the 14th Amendment here while you swore up and down that the law was being applied in a content neutral manner.

What terrorist group did he support, how and when?

Under your reading of the law, the Proud Boys engaged in terror activities, making Milo a supporter of terrorist activities.

You are against applying the law. Period. Own it.

Do you see me calling routine deportations illegal? Or for burning Tesla's to go unpunished? Saying Biden should have ignored the court and forgiven student loans as some democrats wanted? Or any number of other areas where I support applying the law in a non-partisan manner?

I've called unconstitutional the blatant unconstitutional policies you voted for, as well as other actions from previous presidents.

 

[Soggust]

Guess im a day late so if already posted sorry but all for arresting but looool on the trolling

 

[jk7707]

Where in his remarks did Rubio mention it had to do with her supporting Hamas? He said that if you lie on your visa application and get caught it will be revoked and you’ll be deported. Nothing about Hamas.

"Ozturk “engaged in activities in support of Hamas,” a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson said Wednesday in a statement without specifying what those alleged activities were."

Derp. Fuck off.

 

[brothir]

Democrats are feckless f*ckin wimps and Republicans are worse

Based on?

 

[filthybliss]

Based on?

Chuck Schuemer's delusion

 

[brothir]

Chuck Schuemer's delusion

Oh, well that clears it up. Now I know exactly why it's fair to call Democrats wimps. Apparently "Schuemer", the Lord of Democrats, made a non-specific mistake. Noted.

 

[kflo]

Again, you were the one arguing that the law should be applied regardless of whether or not a group is officially a designated terror group or merely a group partaking in terror activities. I quoted you saying exactly that in another thread, but now you want to back peddle and insist that only official terror groups qualify?

I quoted the law retard and what specifically applied to that case.

It does under your interpretation and more importantly the Trump administration's interpretation of this law. Which is why multiple people in the other thread called you out for ignoring the 14th Amendment here while you swore up and down that the law was being applied in a content neutral manner.

Under your reading of the law, the Proud Boys engaged in terror activities, making Milo a supporter of terrorist activities.

When did the proud boys engage in activities recognized by the federal government as terrorist activity, and when did Milo support them? Be specific. Milo is scum, and so are the proud boys. But being scum isn’t part of the law.

Again, with respect to the event you explicitly referenced, the government pointed to a special sub chapter, not the broader proud boys.

lol at you continuing with the 14th path……

Do you see me calling routine deportations illegal? Or for burning Tesla's to go unpunished? Saying Biden should have ignored the court and forgiven student loans as some democrats wanted? Or any number of other areas where I support applying the law in a non-partisan manner?

I've called unconstitutional the blatant unconstitutional policies you voted for, as well as other actions from previous presidents.

lol. Following the law is not unconstitutional.

 

[brothir]

Following the law is not unconstitutional.

 

[filthybliss]

Oh, well that clears it up. Now I know exactly why it's fair to call Democrats wimps. Apparently "Schuemer", the Lord of Democrats, made a non-specific mistake. Noted.

It shows a fundamental problem with the party. The democrats were coined as the party of status quo and the Republicans got coined as the party of change.

The issue is that not all change is good as some people are finding out.

 

[brothir]

It shows a fundamental problem with the party. The democrats were coined as the party of status quo and the Republicans got coined as the party of change.

The issue is that not all change is good as some people are finding out.

I don't know what you're talking about. What even is "Schuemer's" delusion?

 

[avenue94]

I quoted the law retard and what specifically applied to that case.

And you bolded the part that explicitly notes that terror activity suffices, regardless of whether the group is designated as one or not. Your argument, not mind.

There's nothing wrong with changing your mind, but you got to at least own it.

When did the proud boys engage in activities recognized by the federal government as terrorist activity, and when did Milo support them?

Were you sleeping during January 6, or any of the years before? Milo has spoken about them multiple times and appeared at events with them.

Again, with respect to the event you explicitly referenced, the government pointed to a special sub chapter, not the broader proud boys.

And the government and sherfront posters so far have pointing to groups that are not Hamas. See how your logic falls apart?

lol. Following the law is not unconstitutional.

Remind me again how the administration is following the Alien Enemies Act, despite multiple judges knocking them for blatantly doing the opposite? You are shockingly gullible.

 

[kflo]

And you bolded the part that explicitly notes that terror activity suffices, regardless of whether the group is designated as one or not. Your argument, not mind.

I bolded the part that applied to that case.

There's nothing wrong with changing your mind, but you got to at least own it.

Fuck off.

Were you sleeping during January 6, or any of the years before? Milo has spoken about them multiple times and appeared at events with them.

lol. I addressed 1/6.

Now, please. Specify when the proud boys organization was found to engage in activities the federal government recognized as terrorist activity. And when Milo supported them. I’ll take a lack of reply with specifics as concession.

And the government and sherfront posters so far have pointing to groups that are not Hamas. See how your logic falls apart?

why lie again? Habit?

Remind me again how the administration is following the Alien Enemies Act, despite multiple judges knocking them for blatantly doing the opposite? You are shockingly gullible.

Following THIS law is not unconstitutional. You’re a bot.

 

[filthybliss]

I don't know what you're talking about. What even is "Schuemer's" delusion?

He believes that the republicans will magically become cordial if Trump’s approval ratings dip enough so he voted to keep the Government from shutting down.

 

[brothir]

He believes that the republicans will magically become cordial if Trump’s approval ratings dip enough so he voted to keep the Government from shutting down.

Voting to keep the government from shutting down is just the pragmatic thing to do to prevent harm. You'd have to provide me with a source for how he believes Republicans will become cordial from a dip in Trump's ratings.

 

[avenue94]

I bolded the part that applied to that case.

Why would that part not apply to every single visa holder and resident?

Now, please. Specify when the proud boys organization was found to engage in activities the federal government recognized as terrorist activity. And when Milo supported them. I’ll take a lack of reply with specifics as concession.

They were at Unite the Right and participated in beating a counter protester nearby.

Here's one who partially blinded someone to intimidate protesters.

They attacked a Black church and vandalized it to intimidate the community.

And as you keep trying to minimize, they participated in one of the most serious coup attempts in US history, with several members convinced of seditious conspiracy. In other words, traitors to America.

And here's Milo last year appearing at an event to support the Proud Boys.

But sure, tell me again that Milo is innocent of the same offenses you want Trump to deport student protestors for.

why lie again? Habit?

You seem to be forgetting that more than one poster in the other thread was insisting that criticizing Israel or tangentially saying something related to Hamas was enough.

Your selective memory doesn't surprise me.

Following THIS law is not unconstitutional.

He says, as the law is applied in an unconstitutional manner lol. By a government that has repeatedly ignored the constitution.

But oh my dear, yes, I'm sure this is the one law where Trump will really make sure we're not abusing it.

You’re a bot.

I quoted the law retard and what specifically applied to that case.

Make up your mind old man, are you going to flail around and call me a bot or retard as you grasp at straws to defend the pathetic strongman you voted for.

 

[kflo]

Why would that part not apply to every single visa holder and resident?

They were at Unite the Right and participated in beating a counter protester nearby.

There’s no mention of the proud boys in that article…….

Here's one who partially blinded someone to intimidate protesters.

An individual former member committed a crime……

They attacked a Black church and vandalized it to intimidate the community.

lol. The headline is he burned a blm flag………

And as you keep trying to minimize, they participated in one of the most serious coup attempts in US history, with several members convinced of seditious conspiracy. In other words, traitors to America.

Asked and answered….

And here's Milo last year appearing at an event to support the Proud Boys.

No, that was not an event to support the proud boys.

You fail badly on both accounts. I mean horribly.

And maybe you could humor me - would that event have been allowed to take place if it was an event to “support Hamas”?

But sure, tell me again that Milo is innocent of the same offenses you want Trump to deport student protestors for.

You seem to be forgetting that more than one poster in the other thread was insisting that criticizing Israel or tangentially saying something related to Hamas was enough.

Quote the poster saying criticizing Israel was enough. Not that I’d really care.

Your selective memory doesn't surprise me.

He says, as the law is applied in an unconstitutional manner lol. By a government that has repeatedly ignored the constitution.

You failed at making that case.

But oh my dear, yes, I'm sure this is the one law where Trump will really make sure we're not abusing it.

yes, by definition if this government does it it’s illegal….derp…

Make up your mind old man, are you going to flail around and call me a bot or retard as you grasp at straws to defend the pathetic strongman you voted for.

I don’t need to defend trump. I have zero allegiance to him. None. I’ve invested far more capital on these boards criticizing him than defending him.

 

[AmonTobin]

So legal refugees are being held in the same prison as gang members?
Day 68 of FUBAR.

Despite refugee status in the U.S., young Venezuelan was deported to Salvadoran prison
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article302464134.html

Trump administration deports hundreds of immigrants even as a judge orders their removals be stopped​

https://apnews.com/article/trump-venezuela-el-salvador-immigration-dd4f61999f85c4dd8bcaba7d4fc7c9af

 

[avenue94]

There’s no mention of the proud boys in that article……

Look closely at the names and what organizations they belong to.

lol. The headline is he burned a blm flag………

Yeah, I wonder where he got the flag.

No, that was not an event to support the proud boys.

Something tells me if a student appeared on a panel where a someone affiliated with Hamas spoke, you'd be screaming bloody murder about supporting a terror group.

yes, by definition if this government does it it’s illegal….derp…

Except I've never made that argument. Lots of handwaving from you here, hope it doesn't bite you in the ass one day. Authoritarian governments have this nasty habit of going after their supporters.

I don’t need to defend trump. I have zero allegiance to him. None. I’ve invested far more capital on these boards criticizing him than defending him.

And yet you voted for him and continue minimizing his most blatantly unlawful and dangerous decisions.

 

[kflo]

Look closely at the names and what organizations they belong to.

Yeah, I wonder where he got the flag.

Something tells me if a student appeared on a panel where a someone affiliated with Hamas spoke, you'd be screaming bloody murder about supporting a terror group.

Except I've never made that argument. Lots of handwaving from you here, hope it doesn't bite you in the ass one day. Authoritarian governments have this nasty habit of going after their supporters.

And yet you voted for him and continue minimizing his most blatantly unlawful and dangerous decisions.

Let’s face it. You’re floundering. You’re desperately trying to claim the proud boys are a clear terror group and that Milo clearly supported them, and the incidents you’re referencing are not close to sufficient. Neither the “terrorism”, nor the “support”. You had to lie about the nature of the event he attended, as your example. lol. You’re busted. And the idea that THIS is the example that would hold in a 14th amendment argument is laughable.

And lol at the idea these detainments are “blatantly unlawful and dangerous”. There’s literally a law. It’s only unlawful if there’s no evidence they violated the law, of which we don’t yet know. Like I said, if there’s no evidence, I’ll say so. Again, I have no allegiance to trump. You on the other hand, I’m pretty confident, will keep your allegiance against trump no matter what, on probably every issue.