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Islam Imamate said:
So you don't even know about the case but you're sure its politically motivated?

Speak for yourself.

There's recorded phone calls and video of co-conspirators as well the man's own words in public speeches including the one the day of Jan 6th. Just because you cover your eyes and see no evil doesn't mean its not there.

Trump himself is still talking about Jan 6th and even ran on pardoning the Jan 6th rioters as well as retaliating against those who served on the Jan 6th committee. Obviously its still relevant.
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There are recordings of others and his just-vaguely-enough public words...so as I said, enough for an indictment but nothing we've seen that's a slam dunk saying he needs to be in prison. (Again, my hunch is that he's guilty). Yes,this can all be true and it can have political motivation behind pursuing it. It's weird you'd argue otherwise TBH.

As for Trump still talking about it...why is that relevant to the course the Dems should take going forward? You think it's wise to take the bait and show continued obsession about 2020 whether Trump still does or not? My view is that they gain nothing from that and figuring out a real viable candidate that they can get people truly behind is a far better strategy. But if you disagree, okay I guess?
 
mkess101 said:
Sure, but the thing is to take a step back and view it from a "winning vs losing" strategy standpoint. Trump has 4 years and the cult leader stuff is gone. Are Dems gonna what then...try the same thing with Vance or whoever and say "Here's the acolyte of the cult leader trying to become the new leader!! We must stop him!!" Do they think thats a viable tactic?
The Republicans really don't have ideas of their own that resonate but what they do have right now is the belief from the swing voters that they're the more normal, rational ones that reject the wacky culture stuff that plenty of Dems embrace. And if the Dems don't address that, it has staying power unlike the "stop Trump at all costs" rhetoric that's now over since he can't run again.
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I really don't know man for sure. It is too soon for the Democrats to come up with a strategy because it's going to have to somewhat be based on how the Republicans govern. I suspect it's going to be really bad this time around for the average American.

It's entirely possible that the next election is already a shoe-in for Democrats if the Republicans can get any of their agenda passed because they really do want to hurt the average person in favor of wealthy people without even pretending to serve normal joes.

You know I'm a huge enemy of the democratic party the way it stands now and think that they have utterly failed the American people for many, many years and that the only way a despicable villain like Trump could have ever risen is if the Democratic party was not doing its job.

So it's not too late... or too soon I mean... for the Democrats to stand on actual principles that are good for the American people, but I don't think they want to.
 
mkess101 said:
There are recordings of others
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Nope, there's a recording of Trump himself on an hour long phone call with the Georgia Secretary of State trying to get him to overturn GA's results. That you don't know this isn't surprising to me.
mkess101 said:
and his just-vaguely-enough public words...so as I said, enough for an indictment but nothing we've seen that's a slam dunk saying he needs to be in prison. (Again, my hunch is that he's guilty).
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Not vague public words, he openly references the plot to overturn the election. That's the entire crux of his Jan 6th speech. Again, just because you're unaware doesn't mean the evidence isn't out there.
mkess101 said:
Yes,this can all be true and it can have political motivation behind pursuing it. It's weird you'd argue otherwise TBH.
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It can in theory have political motivations but you've done nothing to establish that there were any and given your utter lack of knowledge I don't know why you're confident that there were.
mkess101 said:
As for Trump still talking about it...why is that relevant to the course the Dems should take going forward? You think it's wise to take the bait and show continued obsession about 2020 whether Trump still does or not? My view is that they gain nothing from that and figuring out a real viable candidate that they can get people truly behind is a far better strategy. But if you disagree, okay I guess?
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Its relevant because Trump makes it relevant and if he's going to talk about it it should be made known that there is plenty of evidence of his guilt now that its unlikely to go to trial given his entry into the Oval Office.

If you're not really concerned with the rule of law and holding politicians to account I can see how this doesn't make sense to you but for those of who care about those things Jan 6th still matters.
 
Andy Capp said:
No, it's an example of the type of person the American people are willing to elect as their president after 8 years of Russian propaganda told them to.
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Put aside that Dump is a draft dodging coward, read this article and still tell me you think this guy isn’t a crook/criminal:


apnews.com

'Little guy' contractors still angry at Trump Taj bankruptcy

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — Weak from heart surgery and a sepsis infection that would soon kill her, Patricia Paone was resting at home last summer when an apparition appeared on the TV — a famous businessman who had struck a deal with her husband years before.
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Dude fucks over middle class businesses and voters, whom are presumably middle class, wrap themselves into a pretzel while stripping all of their dignity to defend a billionaire, elite.
 
Goatenstein said:
I hope you aren't mad if any of your loved ones are sexually assaulted, you'd be a huge hypocrite.
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What does this BS even mean? If someone disagrees with a civil trial verdict, it means they have to be ok with the alleged crime being done to a loved one? Do you not see how stupid that sounds?

Ignoring a complete lack of evidence, even or arguably especially, against someone you personally dislike does not make you the better person here.
 
The XL said:
Imagine cheering on a weaponized justice system. All of these cases were just an attempt to prevent Trump from being elected.
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Sure trump committed felonies, but he was also running for office, man. You can’t prosecute someone for the crimes they committed, when they are running for office! That’s weaponizing the system!
 
The XL said:
Almost every President over the last century was a war criminal. I hope future generations are smart enough to not care about him paying off a porn star or whatever the fuck. I hope they're also smart enough to see that all of this nonsense was very obviously motivated by politics.
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You’re conflating presidential actions (war) with non-presidential actions. Of course.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Nope, there's a recording of Trump himself on an hour long phone call with the Georgia Secretary of State trying to get him to overturn GA's results. That you don't know this isn't surprising to me.

Not vague public words, he openly references the plot to overturn the election. That's the entire crux of his Jan 6th speech. Again, just because you're unaware doesn't mean the evidence isn't out there.

It can in theory have political motivations but you've done nothing to establish that there were any and given your utter lack of knowledge I don't know why you're confident that there were.

Its relevant because Trump makes it relevant and if he's going to talk about it it should be made known that there is plenty of evidence of his guilt now that its unlikely to go to trial given his entry into the Oval Office.

If you're not really concerned with the rule of law and holding politicians to account I can see how this doesn't make sense to you but for those of who care about those things Jan 6th still matters.
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I know OF the phone call. I can't remember the specifics of what was said by whom. Was the entire call released? If you quote the specific thing Trump said that should slam-dunk have him in prison rn, I'll reassess. I recall there being murkiness about the legal aspects, you're effectively saying that Trump was able to beat a smoking gun?

I don't think I need to establish why a political rival would be motivated to go after someone they've painted to be a monster LOL. It's inherent that at least SOME of it stems from the politics of it. No way you're naive enough to not see that. Again, that does NOT exonerate Trump either.

Sure I care about the rule of law etc. I'd argue whether it matters to ME is pretty insignificant compared to what the Dems plan to do to win back the middle though. Like...if you TRULY believe yours is the more pure party that is looking out for the populace--wouldn't you focus on formulating a strategy that can win you back votes and thwart those that you think are trying to bypass our constitution? You're not gonna do it by reminding people of shit from 4 years ago that evidently wasn't important enough to keep Trump from an eventual 2nd term. Like I said, I'd focus on what will work, but that's just me.
 
mkess101 said:
I know OF the phone call. I can't remember the specifics of what was said by whom. Was the entire call released? If you quote the specific thing Trump said that should slam-dunk have him in prison rn, I'll reassess. I recall there being murkiness about the legal aspects, you're effectively saying that Trump was able to beat a smoking gun?

I don't think I need to establish why a political rival would be motivated to go after someone they've painted to be a monster LOL. It's inherent that at least SOME of it stems from the politics of it. No way you're naive enough to not see that. Again, that does NOT exonerate Trump either.

Sure I care about the rule of law etc. I'd argue whether it matters to ME is pretty insignificant compared to what the Dems plan to do to win back the middle though. Like...if you TRULY believe yours is the more pure party that is looking out for the populace--wouldn't you focus on formulating a strategy that can win you back votes and thwart those that you think are trying to bypass our constitution? You're not gonna do it by reminding people of shit from 4 years ago that evidently wasn't important enough to keep Trump from an eventual 2nd term. Like I said, I'd focus on what will work, but that's just me.
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Trump didn’t beat any cases. Just to be clear.
 
kflo said:
Trump didn’t beat any cases. Just to be clear.
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"Beat it" meaning there's a smoking gun yet he's not only not behind bars, he's gonna get sworn in for a 2nd term soon. Didn't mean to imply he beat a court case.
 
mkess101 said:
"Beat it" meaning there's a smoking gun yet he's not only not behind bars, he's gonna get sworn in for a 2nd term soon. Didn't mean to imply he beat a court case.
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He’s not behind bars because he ran for office and won while effectively delaying his court cases. But agree, he didn’t beat any court cases. He beat Kamala.
 
mkess101 said:
I know OF the phone call. I can't remember the specifics of what was said by whom. Was the entire call released? If you quote the specific thing Trump said that should slam-dunk have him in prison rn, I'll reassess. I recall there being murkiness about the legal aspects, you're effectively saying that Trump was able to beat a smoking gun?
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Yes the whole call was released but again not surprised in the slightest that you're unaware despite the confidence in which you speak about the case and its supposed "political motivations"

The whole point of the phone call is to repeat baseless claims about outcome determinative voter fraud, for which there is no evidence, so that Raffensperger can overturn the GA election.
mkess101 said:
I don't think I need to establish why a political rival would be motivated to go after someone they've painted to be a monster LOL. It's inherent that at least SOME of it stems from the politics of it. No way you're naive enough to not see that. Again, that does NOT exonerate Trump either.
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You do need to establish that if you're arguing that is indeed what happened. You don't even know the specifics of the case but I should take your baseless musing for granted? Can you see why I wouldn't when you're unaware of some of the most basic details of the case?
mkess101 said:
Sure I care about the rule of law etc. I'd argue whether it matters to ME is pretty insignificant compared to what the Dems plan to do to win back the middle though. Like...if you TRULY believe yours is the more pure party that is looking out for the populace--wouldn't you focus on formulating a strategy that can win you back votes and thwart those that you think are trying to bypass our constitution? You're not gonna do it by reminding people of shit from 4 years ago that evidently wasn't important enough to keep Trump from an eventual 2nd term. Like I said, I'd focus on what will work, but that's just me.
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Idk who you think you're talking to here, I'm not some DNC operative. I talk about Jan 6th because any principled person who believes in the liberal principles our constitution is based on can see can see that what Trump was blatantly wrong. I would rather Trump got impeached and imprisoned for Jan 6th in the next four years only for a non-MAGA GOP candidate to win in 2028 than to see Trump get away with it even if it means Dems win in four years. I care more about the country's liberal institutions and norms than I do any one party and if anything Trump's win has energized populists on the Democrat side. I don't want Dems to assimilate the lunatic populists even if it means they might have a better chance of winning in four years.
 
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