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So with Merchan basically saying it's going to be a no punishment will the 34 felony charges still stand? Will we have the first president being inaugurated as a convicted felon still?
 
fingercuffs said:
So with Merchan basically saying it's going to be a no punishment will the 34 felony charges still stand? Will we have the first president being inaugurated as a convicted felon still?
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Some here have claimed that by some obscure technicality, he's not really a felon until he's been sentenced. If that's true, it doesn't change the fact that a jury found him guilty for the rest of us, but it's enough that the Republicans can pretend that makes everything go away like it never happened. The cognitive dissonance is remarkable.
 
I hope so so the democrats have another meltdown.

Then to top it off after 4 years if Vance doesn't win. Then he resigns after the election and Vance takes over and gives him a full pardon covering all the from birth to the Then.

I hope to see Vance win but that is a good fall back plan.

The TDS will run rampant fit the next 4 years and with any luck we can extent it for long into the future.
 
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And since we are going with calling people molester I think that would more apply to a man taking showers with his preteen daughter.

But he is a democrat so that's excused.
 
Andy Capp said:
Some here have claimed that by some obscure technicality, he's not really a felon until he's been sentenced. If that's true, it doesn't change the fact that a jury found him guilty for the rest of us, but it's enough that the Republicans can pretend that makes everything go away like it never happened. The cognitive dissonance is remarkable.
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I think it's that most thought this was political. Even Andrew Cuomo the former attorney General of NY and former governor of NY said that the charges in NY wouldn't have been brought if it wasn't Trump. 66% of New Yorkers believed it political. It's why his poll numbers actually went up and not down. Many did not trust how the system was being used. That being said, if he is convicted with no time he is still convicted. I don't know the technicality that some are speaking of.
 
Cajun said:
I think it's that most thought this was political. Even Andrew Cuomo the former attorney General of NY and former governor of NY said that the charges in NY wouldn't have been brought if it wasn't Trump. 66% of New Yorkers believed it political. It's why his poll numbers actually went up and not down. Many did not trust how the system was being used. That being said, if he is convicted with no time he is still convicted. I don't know the technicality that some are speaking of.
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Me either. But the financial paper trail through Cohen is clear. So, people are saying yeah it's a crime but it was no big deal so the only reason to prosecute is for political gain? Sounds pretty fucked up to me.
 
Andy Capp said:
Me either. But the financial paper trail through Cohen is clear. So, people are saying yeah it's a crime but it's but it was no big deal so the only reason to prosecute is for political gain? Sounds pretty fucked up to me.
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I'm not sure what people are saying but even if you get a conviction on something doesn't mean a lot these days.
 
It ain't one or the other, folks. Trump is shady AF and was convicted AND it's been pretty much a political witch hunt.

Only thing I'm gonna say is that those that devote more of their own time and energy railing against this shit are in for a LONG four years. Seems like it would be a better use of time to do some work figuring out how you lost touch enough with the American public to get your asses completely handed to you by a convicted felon. But that's just my opinion.
 
Andy Capp said:
Me either. But the financial paper trail through Cohen is clear. So, people are saying yeah it's a crime but it was no big deal so the only reason to prosecute is for political gain? Sounds pretty fucked up to me.
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Paper trail to what? Its not a crime to pay someone to not talk about something, and the money used wasn't illicit.
 
Cajun said:
I'm not sure what people are saying but even if you get a conviction on something doesn't mean a lot these days.
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I'm not sure what you mean here, but my point is that if law enforcement becomes aware a crime has been committed they have a responsibility to act don't they? Even if the person is a political figure?

Trump supporters suggest the primary purpose of the prosecutions being brought against him is to hurt him politically when to me it's painfully obviously the other way around--Trump is using his political position to avoid being prosecuted and forced to take responsibility for his blatantly criminal acts. Personal failings of the DA in Georgia aside, that RICO case was a slam dunk and it's gone POOF! Likewise the documents case.

Remember these people?

Updated Flip List: now at 20
Scott Hall -- Georgia RICO case
Sydney Powell -- Georgia RICO case
Kenneth Cheese Bro -- Georgia RICO case
Mark Meadows -- Georgia RICO case
Jenna Ellis -- Georgia RICO case
Shawn Still -- Georgia RICO case*
David Shafer -- Georgia RICO case*
Cathleen Latham -- Georgia RICO case*
8 Georgia fake electors - Half of Trump’s ‘fake electors’ accept immunity in Georgia investigation
Michigan fake elector, James Renner
Patrick Birney -- NY fraud civil case
Michael Cohen -- NY fraud civil case
Yuscil Taveras -- Mar-a-Lago Classified Docs case


*did not flip in the sense of taking a plea deal; they're using the "we were just following orders from Trump" defense


"Garett Koger, a lawyer on Berden’s defense, said the state’s case will ultimately fail to show any criminal action by members of the charged group, adding that the documents were part of a “larger plan that originated” with Kenneth Chesebro.

Chesebro, former attorney for Trump, pleaded guilty in Fulton County, Ga., Superior Court in October to a felony charge after he admitted to orchestrating a multi-state fake elector plot to present fake elector documents in favor of a Trump presidency."


Yet somehow, despite all these people admitting to their participation in the plot the case against Trump has evaporated into thin air. How did that happen? Oh, yeah; he walked away with shouts of "Too close to the election" from his supporters echoing behind him.
 
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Cajun said:
This... no point in rehashing months of threads on the topic
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To be clear, though, I'm only referring to the factually established elements of the prosecution case here, e.g. rehashing why the payoff was deemed to be for an illegal purpose is dumb.

My post countering the assertion the prosecutions against Trump were only because he was running for office stands, separate from that. Just saying lest I be labelled a hypocrite.
 
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