Crime Maine shooting - 18 dead

Maine manhunt for Lewiston mass shooter extends to another night
By Gabriella Borter

LEWISTON, Maine, Oct 27 (Reuters) - Police in Maine extended their round-the-clock search for suspected Lewiston mass shooter Robert R. Card into the early hours of Friday morning, as the U.S. Army reservist eluded a manhunt following the bar and bowling alley massacres that killed 18 people and wounded 13 more.
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As officials urged people to stay indoors for their safety, part of the search played out on live television Thursday night as officials executed several search warrants in the neighboring town of Bowdoin where Card lived.

Law enforcement surrounded the rural home for more than two hours, with an FBI agent issuing orders over a bullhorn to "come out with your hands up," but apparently nobody was inside.

Police did not know if Card was inside when the operation began and the amplified messages were "standard search warrant announcements," a Maine Department of Public Safety spokesperson said, adding that officials were "doing their due diligence" in tracking down leads.

The town of Lewiston, a former textile hub of 38,000 people, and neighboring communities were largely shut down on Thursday to enable hundreds of officers to conduct their search.

The city on the banks of the Androscoggin River went quiet, with almost no cars on the roads, just a few people outside, and many downtown businesses closed. Rifle-toting security agents in bulletproof vests guarded the hospital where many of the shooting victims were taken.

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Card, 40, is a sergeant at a nearby U.S. Army Reserve base who law enforcement officials said had been temporarily committed to a mental health facility over the summer.

Police circulated photographs of a bearded man in a brown hooded sweatshirt and jeans at one of the crime scenes armed with what appeared to be a semi-automatic rifle.

On the night of the shootings, Card's trail led to Lisbon, about 7 miles (11 km) to the southeast, where Maine State Police found a white SUV they believe Card used to get away and parked at a boat launch on the river. Public records showed he has three watercraft registrations: two Sea-Doos and a Bayliner.

The bloodshed rattled towns throughout Androscoggin County that were under shelter-in-place orders as they joined the growing list of U.S. communities to suffer from a gun massacre.

"It's a small town. You get to know everybody," said Ken Spalding of Lisbon. "But I had told my wife a couple of years ago, 'It's not if, my dear. It's when.'"

The number of U.S. shootings in which four or more people are shot is projected to reach 679 in 2023, up from 647 in 2022, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive.

The 18 fatalities are close to the annual number of homicides that normally occur in Maine, which has fluctuated between 16 and 29 since 2012, according to Maine State Police.

The victims included Bill Young and his 14-year-old son Aaron who were shot and killed at the Just-In-Time Recreation bowling alley, Bill's brother Rob Young told Reuters.

Also among the dead was Bryan MacFarlane, 40, who was part of a group in the deaf community participating in a cornhole tournament at Schemengees Bar & Grille when he was killed, his sister Keri Brooks told CNN.

Guns are lightly regulated in Maine, where about half of all adults live in a household with a gun, according to a 2020 study by RAND Corporation. Maine does not require a permit to buy or carry a gun, and it does not have so-called "red flag" laws seen in some other states that allow law enforcement to temporarily disarm people deemed to be dangerous.

U.S. Representative Jared Golden, a Democrat from Lewiston, told reporters he has reversed his opposition to an assault weapons ban as a result of the tragedy.

"I now call on the United States Congress to ban assault rifles, like the one used by the perpetrator of this mass killing my hometown," Golden told a news conference.

But Congress has been mostly unable to pass gun control, even after previous tragedies such as the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, where 20 first-graders and six adults were gunned down.

Reporting by Reporting by Gloria Borter and Richard Valdmanis in Lewiston; Additional reporting by Nick Pfosi in Lewiston and Lisbon, Maine; Writing by Daniel Trotta; Editing by Stephen Coates

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ma...ass-shooter-extends-another-night-2023-10-27/
 
Turns out that part wasn't true.

"In an updated statement, a U.S. Army spokesperson said Card was not trained as a firearms instructor, as police had originally reported."

https://www.sunjournal.com/2023/10/...rch-for-suspected-lewiston-shooter-continues/

Regardless, I hope they catch this nutbag demon soon. And more importantly, I hope he doesn't add any more to his bodycount before they do. Also really hope the people that are still in critical can hold on, & pull through.
Thanks for letting me know. Had no idea

But he seems to be highly experienced with firearms
 
If the guy ditched his car because he had a boat prepped, we can forget all that mental health talk.

That takes obvious planning and intent.

- He can have bout. Be smart and a psico!
 
The rights response to how to stop mass murder always brings some solid takes


- HOw martial arts will work against that?
And i probably have far more extended training than this guy!o_O
 
The rights response to how to stop mass murder always brings some solid takes


I mean, I don't want to laugh due to the situation, but that comment in particular is very funny.

Which martial art teaches how to dodge a bullet? I need to learn that!
 
Me with my gym sparring and pocket revolver vs. a guy in the army with a rifle. Sounds fair.
If it's any consolation the majority of my military buds are former infantry in the army or special forces in the Airforce and the guys who were just infantry are pretty meh shots with a rifle. The Special forces guys are solid. The major difference between the special forces guys and a guy like me who's hunted most of his life is their ability to snap shots very quickly, their target acquisition is fantastic and their target identification is super fast compared to mine. I've been hunting mainly pigs for well over the last decade now and these guys are quicker at spotting them than I am, faster to the trigger and more likely to be on target with their first shot and they are very good at gauging the distance for adjustments on their zero on the fly.
So there is a chance that unless this guy was Special Forces or really into shooting qualifications and training there is chance he's not much better with a rifle than the average guy strolling around the USA.
Pocket revolver however is the downfall. Enough Gun is the motto.
 
If it's any consolation the majority of my military buds are former infantry in the army or special forces in the Airforce and the guys who were just infantry are pretty meh shots with a rifle. The Special forces guys are solid. The major difference between the special forces guys and a guy like me who's hunted most of his life is their ability to snap shots very quickly, their target acquisition is fantastic and their target identification is super fast compared to mine. I've been hunting mainly pigs for well over the last decade now and these guys are quicker at spotting them than I am, faster to the trigger and more likely to be on target with their first shot and they are very good at gauging the distance for adjustments on their zero on the fly.
So there is a chance that unless this guy was Special Forces or really into shooting qualifications and training there is chance he's not much better with a rifle than the average guy strolling around the USA.
Pocket revolver however is the downfall. Enough Gun is the motto.
When perusing the articles... I noticed they described this Coward as a "trained marksman in the army".

In the army "marksman" is actually the lowest qualifying scores on the range.
 
Looks a lot like this:
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I could go on, but this aint the thread to derail with it

Holy crap. You're so soft. Simply owning a gun makes it a fetish to you. And please, you needing to share your hot takes has never stopped you from trashing up a thread.
 
Turns out that part wasn't true.

"In an updated statement, a U.S. Army spokesperson said Card was not trained as a firearms instructor, as police had originally reported."

https://www.sunjournal.com/2023/10/...rch-for-suspected-lewiston-shooter-continues/

Regardless, I hope they catch this nutbag demon soon. And more importantly, I hope he doesn't add any more to his bodycount before they do. Also really hope the people that are still in critical can hold on, & pull through.

Sun Journal said:
In an updated statement, a U.S. Army spokesperson said Card was not trained as a firearms instructor, as police had originally reported. He said Card’s unit did train at West Point this summer, but no records indicate that Card participated in that training.

Card was taken to the Keller Army Community Hospital to be evaluated, the AP said.

A police bulletin sent to law enforcement said he had been in a mental health facility for two weeks this summer and that he had reported “hearing voices and threats to shoot up” the military base. No information was provided about Card’s treatment or diagnosis.

In an interview Thursday with the Daily Beast, Card’s sister-in-law, Katie Card, said he’s had acute episodes of mental health struggles over the past year. She said Card began hearing voices that weren’t there – especially the voices of people “bashing” him, including at the bowling alley and Schemengees bar, and he would get angry when he was told the voices were just in his head.

Per the article, Card didn't actively threaten to shoot up the military base but was hearing voices that were threatening such. Its likely he has had paranoid schizophrenia for quite sometime and that it has gone mostly untreated, or the shooter has been off any medication prescribed to treat it.

It also sounds like the shooter targeted the bowling alley and bar and grill because of episodes/incidents he had at those locations in the past.

Side note: From my understanding, paranoid schizophrenia is a degenerative disease that gets worse over time, especially if left untreated. If the person goes off and back on the medication used to treat the illness and suffers from more psychotic breaks/episodes, it can reduce the efficacy of the medication and make it much more difficult to bring the person "back to reality".

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that, at least at the Federal level, the only way a person is barred from purchasing or possessing firearms due to mental health reasons is if a person is involuntarily committed to a hospital and/or deemed unfit by a Court order. IIRC, voluntarily committing oneself doesn't necessarily blacklist a person from firearm ownership. Obviously some States have laws that go further than the Federal laws in regards to disarming mentally unfit firearm owners.
 
C'mon man, there's a big difference between "owning a gun" and posing your young children with weapons for a fucking Christmas picture. There are a lot of people in this country who attach their entire identity to the guns they own. That's the fetish, and that's the difference.

What makes posing with a picture of your Christmas present (that just so happens to be a gun) a fetish?

C'mon man indeed.
 
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