Crime Maine shooting - 18 dead

[nhbbear]

*shrugs

I'm just glad he is no longer a threat. If he died like a bitch, he went the way he lived

Yeah, I am fine with that aspect as well. I would have rather him get wounded and then captured. And by wounded, I mean shorting in a bag for eternity or maybe paralyzed.

I was just pointing out that he, like other bitch-made pussies of his ilk, cower when it comes to hard targets

 

[StewDogg11]

the firearms laws in Maine are flimsy as fuck.

Still spewing your nonsense like how domestic abusers can buy guns in Maine I see.

 

[andnowweknow]

Yeah, I am fine with that aspect as well. I would have rather him get wounded and then captured. And by wounded, I mean shorting in a bag for eternity or maybe paralyzed.

I was just pointing out that he, like other bitch-made pussies of his ilk, cower when it comes to hard targets

Just noting that it really is super unhealthy to wish torturous revenge on someone like this. Does nothing to rectify the situation that this person caused and if seeing someone in agony truly makes you feel satisfied that's probably a sign of some issues you need to resolve. I get it if you're being hyperbolic (this guy was a special kind of horrible person, albeit probably severely mentally ill at some level beyond his capacity to control) but it's this sort of thinking that perpetuates violence in our culture. It's the reason that the death penalty (and the methods we use to enact it) are counterproductive.

 

[freakroor]

Just noting that it really is super unhealthy to wish torturous revenge on someone like this. Does nothing to rectify the situation that this person caused and if seeing someone in agony truly makes you feel satisfied that's probably a sign of some issues you need to resolve. I get it if you're being hyperbolic (this guy was a special kind of horrible person, albeit probably severely mentally ill at some level beyond his capacity to control) but it's this sort of thinking that perpetuates violence in our culture. It's the reason that the death penalty (and the methods we use to enact it) are counterproductive.

you remember back in school, the kid who sat by himself in the corner wearing sweatpants? nhbbear is how they turn out when they grow up.

 

[Seano]

Just noting that it really is super unhealthy to wish torturous revenge on someone like this. Does nothing to rectify the situation that this person caused and if seeing someone in agony truly makes you feel satisfied that's probably a sign of some issues you need to resolve. I get it if you're being hyperbolic (this guy was a special kind of horrible person, albeit probably severely mentally ill at some level beyond his capacity to control) but it's this sort of thinking that perpetuates violence in our culture. It's the reason that the death penalty (and the methods we use to enact it) are counterproductive.

Its hardly unusual to wish for bad things to happen to horrible people. You've done it. I've done it. We all have. Some of you choose strange things to feign superiority about.

 

[andnowweknow]

Its hardly unusual to wish for bad things to happen to horrible people. You've done it. I've done it. We all have. Some of you choose strange things to feign superiority about.

If you advocate torture, I'm your superior morally.

 

[Seano]

If you advocate torture, I'm your superior morally.

Again, step off the soapbox. No need to announce how you're a beacon in the dark over things no one said.

There are things that would make you wish torture on someone. Believe you're above it if you want, you're not.

 

[Poon Goon]

There are things that would make you wish torture on someone. Believe you're above it if you want, you're not.

A family is moving in next door and the dad angled his truck in such a way that it was actually on my driveway. Had to back out at an angle to not hit it. He was outside at the time and didn't even give me a nod apology. Torture was on my mind for the next few minutes while I was driving.

After I got home one of his guests actually parked their car in my driveway. I went over and talked to him about it. He was apologetic and assured me it wouldn't happen again. I don't even want him to be tortured now.

 

[Seano]

A family is moving in next door and the dad angled his truck in such a way that it was actually on my driveway. Had to back out at an angle to not hit it. He was outside at the time and didn't even give me a nod apology. Torture was on my mind for the next few minutes while I was driving.

After I got home one of his guests actually parked their car in my driveway. I went over and talked to him about it. He was apologetic and assured me it wouldn't happen again. I don't even want him to be tortured now.

Fuck that guy.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

the article isn't directly mentions to the Maine shooting but it fits the events that sadly happened there. We could make America better, by helping around 50% of the homeless and lessen crime level, sometimes these crazy shooting crimes, if we had better mental health programs in the US. Our current mental health system is cruel.

My understanding is we used to have a better mental health care program in America. Then starting in the 70s many cities and states did away wih them.

We Need to Institutionalize the Mentally Ill, Instead of All Americans
We don't have a homeless or mass shooter problem, we have a mental illness problem.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/we-need-to-institutionalize-the-mentally-ill-instead-of-all-americans/

excerpt:

After the Maine massacre, we are hearing the familiar response to a mass shooting by a mentally ill man, which is to deprive everyone of their civil rights. The reality is that if you have violent and dangerous people on the loose, they will get their hands on guns or other weapons, regardless of whatever laws there are. Gun control doesn’t stop killers, it stops people from protecting themselves. If you want to stop mentally unstable mass shooters, institutionalize them.

A lot of seriously mentally ill people desperately need help, some even request it, but they don’t get it.....

I mean, this is an awful incident, but the US already locks up a stupendous number of people.

I'm really not sure that's a sensible route at all.

 

[nhbbear]

Just noting that it really is super unhealthy to wish torturous revenge on someone like this. Does nothing to rectify the situation that this person caused and if seeing someone in agony truly makes you feel satisfied that's probably a sign of some issues you need to resolve. I get it if you're being hyperbolic (this guy was a special kind of horrible person, albeit probably severely mentally ill at some level beyond his capacity to control) but it's this sort of thinking that perpetuates violence in our culture. It's the reason that the death penalty (and the methods we use to enact it) are counterproductive.

I disagree about the death penalty. In cases where it is absolutely indisputable, it should be used much more quickly and done so in a fashion that does not cost ridiculous amounts of money in the trial phase amnesty intl. contends that it costs around 3x more to execute someone than to house them in prison for life. I disagree. They are in no way factoring the amount of space these fucks are taking up which means some other criminal is going to be walking the street committing crimes because there were not enough beds for them. It may cost more, but some fucks just need wiped off the planet.

And I am absolutely not walking back my comment that I had wished this guy had been shot by police and felt pain for killing 18 people instead of him feeling nothing as he blew his head off. Fuck him

Edit: oops, I did the equivalent of a butt dial. I started to write the rest of this response and decided to finish it later.

 

[Larzon]

God bless America aye. It's hard to feel sorry for people who won't help themselves

 

[Spounman]

A family is moving in next door and the dad angled his truck in such a way that it was actually on my driveway. Had to back out at an angle to not hit it. He was outside at the time and didn't even give me a nod apology. Torture was on my mind for the next few minutes while I was driving.

After I got home one of his guests actually parked their car in my driveway. I went over and talked to him about it. He was apologetic and assured me it wouldn't happen again. I don't even want him to be tortured now.

Lay a spike strip where his or his guests tires would creep onto your driveway

 

[pinger]

This thread is full of the usual disingenuous strawman that gun control = banning guns. .....sigh

 

[emefer]

I disagree about the death penalty. In cases where it is absolutely indisputable, it should be used much more quickly and done so in a fashion that does not cost ridiculous amounts of money in the trial phase amnesty intl. contends that it costs around 3x more to execute someone than to house them in prison for life. I disagree. They are in no way factoring the amount of space these fucks are taking up which means some other criminal is going walking the street committing crimes because there were not enough beds for them. It may cost more, but some fucks just need wiped off the planet.

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I’m more of the opinion that they should spend their days in isolated confinement. Execution is an easy out for them imo. Maybe I'm I bit more cruel.

I was wondering what your thoughts and the thoughts of LEO that you interact with are on 2A and the easy access to firearms along with the amount of firearms in circulation are?

Is it a concern amongst LEO and would they like more restrictions put in place to try and limit the amount of guns on the street?

Do they see more good guys with guns as a deterrent to violent crime?

 

[shinkyoku]

For what it’s worth, Maine has the second lowest murder rate in the country despite those flimsy gun laws

2.9 per 100k.

Meanwhile, people (including on this forum) are outraged and horrified about the horrible murder rates caused by the ongoing drugwars in sweden. These gang conflicts has caused the murder rate to spike up to 1.14 per 100K from the 0,8 a few years ago.
Germany currently has a murder rate at 0,9.. France has about the same rate as sweden. Spain has 0,6.

So 2,9 is not really worth much as "low" murder rate in a civilized country. But sure, it is better than the US average of 6,6.

 

[spamking]

More guns to defend themselves from.... guns. Seems like a nice way to de-escalate things.

Seeing the US has the most weapons per capita, it should be one of the countries with the least mass shootings in the world. Am I wrong?

You are completely missing the point of everything I've said.

Mass shootings mostly happen in designated GUN FREE ZONES. All of the guns in the world can't defend people in places they're not allowed. So yes, allowing folks to carry in them to defend themselves against those who choose to attack them.

And yes, you're wrong.


EDIT: Holy typos Batman . . .

 

[spamking]

My point was that the "fair/unfair" argument is a terrible one. We're talking about high powered weapons that are easily obtainable that are used to kill people, and we're talking about what's "fair"? How does one even make that argument in the face of a story like this where 18 people were murdered?

I make the argument that people in a gun free zone need better protection. Either from the business the zone is in or from them carrying their own.

How does a person with mental illness that wants to kill others and themselves get deterred by another guy with a gun when his whole mission is to kill and get killed?

By the other guy with a gun firing back and taking him out before he can do more damage. The crazy guy might not be stopped from hurting or killing someone, but limiting that number is better than letting the guy just have his way.

I'm not even of the mind that things need to be flat out banned, per se, but these arguments that are often used don't hold water. There's way too much of a lax gun culture in the US with people thinking of guns as toys and extensions of their manhood.

And there isn't a new law in the world that's going to change that horrible culture. You speak of extensions of their manhood . . . why? Who are you referring to?

 

[spamking]

I see no argument here.

It's okay if you don't understand things . . . that's why I said it was a waste of time.

 

[spamking]

Maybe people are tired of mass murder and lax gun laws that make it easy to obtain weapons that give people the ability to kill / injure 10-20-30 people in seconds.

Or we're tired of you guys blaming the gun . . .