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Opinion Maga I'm sorry your america isn't great..

At this point why question anything? It's all good...
 
UberHere said:
You whine like one
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Cid said:
None of this disproves what I said though.

It's your experience as an American LEO of the American justice system and you're comparing crimes within that system and finding infuriating inconsistencies. I'm not discrediting your experience there at all.

But...

That's not a comparison of justice systems of different countries.

Incarceration rate by country.
1) El Salvador
2) Cuba
3) Rawanda
4) Turkmenistan
5) USA
105) Australia

If you commit a dozen crimes in all the highly developed countries on earth and are caught and sentenced America is going to be incarcerating you for much longer than most of them.

The problem with this comes down to money. Incarcerating people costs money a lot of money. You complain a lot about how much people get rewarded for their contribution to society within the system quite a lot and your argument isn't without merit.

People who cost fuck all that contribute greatly to society:
Drug and alcohol workers, social workers, mental health workers, public outreach workers, financial counsellors, integration workers, youth workers, various hotline assistants etc, etc, etc.

They really do get paid fuck all.


And a high incarceration rate means government spending not going to these people.

Let's do some rough math on how many of these people you could get if you could bring your incarceration rate down to the rest of us using my country (australia) as an example.

Google says it costs $43.8k average to incarcerate an American for a year. $87K for any of the above professions seems more than fair to me.

2 incarcerations = 1 worker to benefit society.

Your incarceration rate is well over 3x my country but I'll make it 3x for ease

1,808,100/3 = 600k incarcerated with 1.2 million not incarcerated.

Divide the no longer incarcerated number by 2.

600,000 Drug and alcohol workers, social workers, mental health workers, public outreach workers, financial counsellors, integration workers, youth workers, various hotline assistants etc, that you're missing out on.
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Look mate, I am not disagreeing with you. I live in an incarceration nation but the truth is that many career criminals get small sentences over and over again and they continue to commit crimes. That’s why our crime rate and incarceration rate is so embarrassing. We are a nation of too many criminals. That’s all I am saying
 
nhbbear said:
Look mate, I am not disagreeing with you. I live in an incarceration nation but the truth is that many career criminals get small sentences over and over again and they continue to commit crimes. That’s why our crime rate and incarceration rate is so embarrassing. We are a nation of too many criminals. That’s all I am saying
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My stance is not only that your stance is wrong but the "tough on crime" stance was the biggest avoidable contributor to your horrible crime rates.

I don't think we could be more at odds opinion wise.

You just keep repeating the career criminals get small sentences line over and over again. It's not a counter argument to what I am saying.

The same thing happens here. If you want to counter my statement you have to provide evidence that career criminals get lower sentences in your country.

Which you won't because my country has laws in place to prevent American style sentencing. You are the case study for us on harsh criminal sentencing in a highly developed and prosperous nation when we compare the impact this kind of policy has on a country.

And we shaped policy around it.

American approach to crime:
I want to pay less taxes
I don't want to pay for social services because government shit.
Guns will help.
We're not tough enough on crime.

Then you took that simplistic, contradictory approach and applied tough on crime to drugs and unnecessarily incarcerated millions.

Dug yourself quite the hole.


Also a nation of too many criminals? Pssssshhhh my country was built by criminals!
 
Cid said:
My stance is not only that your stance is wrong but the "tough on crime" stance was the biggest avoidable contributor to your horrible crime rates.

I don't think we could be more at odds opinion wise.

You just keep repeating the career criminals get small sentences line over and over again. It's not a counter argument to what I am saying.

The same thing happens here. If you want to counter my statement you have to provide evidence that career criminals get lower sentences in your country.

Which you won't because my country has laws in place to prevent American style sentencing. You are the case study for us on harsh criminal sentencing in a highly developed and prosperous nation when we compare the impact this kind of policy has on a country.

And we shaped policy around it.

American approach to crime:
I want to pay less taxes
I don't want to pay for social services because government shit.
Guns will help.
We're not tough enough on crime.

Then you took that simplistic, contradictory approach and applied tough on crime to drugs and unnecessarily incarcerated millions.

Dug yourself quite the hole.


Also a nation of too many criminals? Pssssshhhh my country was built by criminals!
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Well, I blame the assholes that continue to commit crimes for the entirety of their life and the system that only punishes them when they do something really serious. The fear of rising crime in the 80s and 90s led to tough on crime laws such as three strike laws, for example. In the 1980s, the top concern for voters was the crime rates. One of the theories that pushed tough on crime laws is that if one is locked up, that is preventing all the crimes they would have committed in that time. Now, we have progressive district attorneys and judges that are letting these assholes out only for them to commit more serious crimes, as these things tend to escalate.

I have always felt that one of the most important factors for sentencing should be prior criminal record. The judges are supposed to take that into consideration but I know from experience that it is not as big a factor as it should be based upon the thousands of criminal records I have looked at and studied.
 
nhbbear said:
Well, I blame the assholes that continue to commit crimes for the entirety of their life and the system that only punishes them when they do something really serious. The fear of rising crime in the 80s and 90s led to tough on crime laws such as three strike laws, for example. In the 1980s, the top concern for voters was the crime rates. One of the theories that pushed tough on crime laws is that if one is locked up, that is preventing all the crimes they would have committed in that time. Now, we have progressive district attorneys and judges that are letting these assholes out only for them to commit more serious crimes, as these things tend to escalate.

I have always felt that one of the most important factors for sentencing should be prior criminal record. The judges are supposed to take that into consideration but I know from experience that it is not as big a factor as it should be based upon the thousands of criminal records I have looked at and studied.
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Repeat offenders, repeat offenders, repeat offenders.

You're like a broken record. This whole conversation has been me trying to pull you out of your little America bubble talking point and talk about different approaches from different countries.

You just spam repeat offenders talking point again and again and again and again and again.

I don't care about your American talking point conversation you're all having around district attorneys or what ever. I don't care about your expertise within that area.

Are you capable of having a normal conversation like a regular person?

You're like an American chat bot.

District attorneys are what you are programmed to talk to and no matter how hard this foreigner tries to talk about the dozens of other factors that influence crime...

You revert to repeat offenders and district attorneys because other subjects aren't in your programming.


Are you even capable of not being an American chat bot?
 
Cid said:
Repeat offenders, repeat offenders, repeat offenders.

You're like a broken record. This whole conversation has been me trying to pull you out of your little America bubble talking point and talk about different approaches from different countries.

You just spam repeat offenders talking point again and again and again and again and again.

I don't care about your American talking point conversation you're all having around district attorneys or what ever. I don't care about your expertise within that area.

Are you capable of having a normal conversation like a regular person?

You're like an American chat bot.

District attorneys are what you are programmed to talk to and no matter how hard this foreigner tries to talk about the dozens of other factors that influence crime...

You revert to repeat offenders and district attorneys because other subjects aren't in your programming.


Are you even capable of not being an American chat bot?
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Douche, this is a thread about America not being great. I don’t give a fuck about your country, mate. You came in here and tried to drag the conversation outside of America and I don’t care to do so. And what the fuck is with “American chatbot this and American chatbot that?”
 
Dalarna3 said:
Your life sounds like empty materialism
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It was befire your post which forced me to examine everything, really dig deep into the void that my life had become. But since your post my life has become a selfless pursuit to do good foresaking all worldly goods

Thank you for making me realize the true meaning of joy and really my special purpose on this earth

Duty to others is the rent we pay for our time on earth is now my mantra

Bless you @Dalarna3
 
toasty said:
But I gotta tell you mine is.

Stock Market doing me right and I've got more money than I ever thought I'd have.
Live in a nicer house and neighborhood than I ever thought I'd have
Great flexible job that does good for the community and has work from home possibilities when I need to
Happily married and have access to porn 24/4 thanks to the internet
Can go buy pot gummies anytime I want
About 1,000 types of craft beer available when I want to slake my thirst
Sports betting legal (even though I don't do it and kinda hate it I would've killed for this as a kid)
I own my own classic video game machine and don't have to put in a single quarter to play.
loyal hound dog at my side
Access to endless entertainment, games, and movies, most of them free or incredibly cheap though streaming.
Lovely library that will get me books from all over the US if neededd

Don't know why I'm so blessed but right now feeling pretty good about the America I live in.

Remind me what's so bad about your America?
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Not MAGA, or even American, so I've been avoiding this thread. But now that I'm here...

I think that most people who have a similar lifestyle to yours probably did vote Democrat. You do, though, sound very much like a 1980's Republican. And you are outnumbered by people who don't have it as well.

The comfortable have always mocked the uncomfortable. Republicans threw terms like "poor" and "uneducated" as pejoratives at Democratic voters for decades. Now the tables have turned and Democrats have started to throw it back. Wasn't a good look then. Isn't a good look now.
 
Gotosleepho said:
I agree that some of the stuff on your list is awesome but you still sound like a douche
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I’m fairly douchey at times, can be way too sarcastic, I’m cheap, can hold a grudge and burn a bridge with the best of them.

But I have some good characteristics too, I have done a lot of volunteer work building homes for habitat for humanity and bagging food for people at local food panty and church. I’m loyal, sometimes funny and fairly humble.

This thread had douchey undertones from the start for sure.

I just spent an entire campaign cycle being told by Trump and the right that my country was shite and only a felonious orange ballsack could save it from ruin and world war 3 would start instantly without him saving us all

BUT every time I look at the life I have and that of all my friends and family, none of whom are tremendously gifted but all of whom worked hard and made good choices in adulthood, not so much as punk kids, I think shit this is a pretty great life we have here. Many if not most of those friends lean very hard right too

So yeah douchey thread but the heart of the question was supposed to be Is your America, or your perception of America if you are not from here, that it is a “great” or “ not great” country to live in?

From that douchey beginning I think we actually generated some good conversations and a few good personal attacks on me are a small price to pay
 
toasty said:
But I gotta tell you mine is.

Stock Market doing me right and I've got more money than I ever thought I'd have.
Live in a nicer house and neighborhood than I ever thought I'd have
Great flexible job that does good for the community and has work from home possibilities when I need to
Happily married and have access to porn 24/4 thanks to the internet
Can go buy pot gummies anytime I want
About 1,000 types of craft beer available when I want to slake my thirst
Sports betting legal (even though I don't do it and kinda hate it I would've killed for this as a kid)
I own my own classic video game machine and don't have to put in a single quarter to play.
loyal hound dog at my side
Access to endless entertainment, games, and movies, most of them free or incredibly cheap though streaming.
Lovely library that will get me books from all over the US if neededd

Don't know why I'm so blessed but right now feeling pretty good about the America I live in.

Remind me what's so bad about your America?
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Nobody wants to stop you from doing what you want, but please explain why you are so proud to be a degenerate?
 
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