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What it implies is that there is some uniform culture to assimilate into, and there isn’t. Typically what people mean is that these people need act the same way and have the same customs as white people of European descent. I think it also ignores that to the degree that there is uniformity—or at the very least, other cultures to be influenced by, this “assimilation” takes time. Compare someone who just immigrated here to someone whose grandparents or great-grandparents immigrated here.
I agree with the second part of your post. I disagree with your assesment. I think that sub cultures for sure exist but there does tend to be a meta unifying culture that passes through those lines. Thats why, as diverse as Toronto already was, the new wave of Indian immigrants, are still not assimilating smoothly.
 
Of course, but I would hope they could remain consistent in their beliefs. I often see white people talked about in a generalized manner that doesn't elicit the same cries of bigotry.


I didn't write the tweet, bud. He did. Ask him what he means by "these" Haitians vs "All" Haitians. If he tells you it's all Haitians, then of course I'd agree he's a hateful bigot.



I would point out the irony of your post, but since you wrote it then you clearly would not have the wit to understand it.

I'm asking you because I'm trying to figure put what you base observable bigotry on. Are they required to explicitly state that they are a bigot? Do they have to make exact statements?

So, in this specific case, I'm asking what makes you think this guy isnt being bigoted? Is there further clarification? Or is that just coming from you?
 
I agree with the second part of your post. I disagree with your assesment. I think that sub cultures for sure exist but there does tend to be a meta unifying culture that passes through those lines. Thats why, as diverse as Toronto already was, the new wave of Indian immigrants, are still not assimilating smoothly.
Sounds like the words of someone who has never been in a part of the US where someone thinks you "talk funny."
 
do you have any reason to even suspect "these haitians" are a particularly wild group of thugs compared to other haitians?
No, I didn't write the tweet. I certainly don't believe all Haitians fall into one particular category either.

oh, and wtf is vudu!!! lol........
I'm guessing voodoo? That shithead can't spell.

I'm asking you because I'm trying to figure put what you base observable bigotry on. Are they required to explicitly state that they are a bigot? Do they have to make exact statements?

So, in this specific case, I'm asking what makes you think this guy isnt being bigoted? Is there further clarification? Or is that just coming from you?
I'm not quite sure how to explain where the line is on it. Everybody has different views on it. In recent years, I've seen a pattern where more and more people try to make a case of racism over more and more trivial things. Are people required to explicitly state they are racist to actually be racist? No. If you say you're not racist and then go call a black guy the N-word, you're a racist piece of shit. I feel that's obvious. It gets less and less obvious when racism is applied to more and more vague things. No, I don't believe only the blatantly racist are racist. But I'm also not on the same boat as people who say adding milk to coffee is a societal racist microagression either.
 
I like the honesty, personally. No charade, no coded language that certain people pretend doesn't exist, no cowardice, no, "well he didn't say bla bla bloo bloo bla", just mask off, this is what's really up. Good ol' honest opinions. What's nice about the mask coming off is

A) We know who's who and

B) Anyone who defends them shows who they really are too.

Win win.
This is what I'm thinking. I prefer to know where people actually stand. I'm actually wondering why he was asked to take it down. Is it because they do not agree with what he said or because it makes them look bad. If it is the latter that is kind of BS. I imagine most of the base agrees anyway.
 
This is what I'm thinking. I prefer to know where people actually stand. I'm actually wondering why he was asked to take it down. Is it because they do not agree with what he said or because it makes them look bad. If it is the latter that is kind of BS. I imagine most of the base agrees anyway.


its only because the house was going to censure him.

and as to why they wanted him to take that down...just take a look at the tweet. if you cant understand why people would get offended over such blatant bigotry, then maybe you are part of the problem.
 
I don't have TikTok. You should probably be locked up in an asylum somewhere though.
I bet you thought that was a witty response, chode-face. But are you gonna address the point about it not being a bigoted to refer to an entire monolith of people like that. The animosity that you have towards Kamala for simply just being a different skin color or a woman is creepy to say the least. I dunno why @Sinister is engaging you in good faith like you'd change your mind on anything that could make a fellow trump supporter look hateful.

Man, that's true. We need a Kamala Harris on the right. I don't mean someone who will suck a ladder of dicks to the top, necessarily. But someone to bail out law breaking thugs for social brownie points. C'mon man!

Imagine voting for her. This cunt gets to ride the "black and historic" train for free and face no obstacles and her followers eat it right up. Look how many people justify her being afraid to debate Trump or to even take ONE tough question. Straight up SNL character.
 
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I like the honesty, personally. No charade, no coded language that certain people pretend doesn't exist, no cowardice, no, "well he didn't say bla bla bloo bloo bla", just mask off, this is what's really up. Good ol' honest opinions. What's nice about the mask coming off is

A) We know who's who and

B) Anyone who defends them shows who they really are too.

Win win.

There's a good article by Pastor John Metta called "I, Racist" about his own family and the contrast between his Southern Sister and Northern Aunt where the Sister said to the Aunt "at least down here, people are honest about being racists." Meta said his Aunt never got over that statement, because she made it her identity that she isnt like that despite every move she made in her life taking her further and further away from her black family members, literally and figuratively, oblivious to how it effected their perception of her despite her being nice to them, and being related to them.

Sometimes the South was easier to deal with than anywhere else I've lived, because people arent going to take the time or energy to put up a front, they'll openly declare who they dont like. But this also made them strikingly easier to reason with, closer racists are tougher because they run even from the initial confrontation. Darryl Davis expressed similar notions:

 
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Said the quiet part out loud. Heck he was shouting.



He has since been censured.

Anyone else ever seen someone have a mask off moment like this? I had one with a coworker somewhere I used to work. This guy insisted Trump was better for the USA, loved his country, etc. but never gave a really good reason why he supported him. One day this co worker randomly took his mask off briefly and said some racist stuff after reading a news story. That was when I had my "a-ha" moment.


Well how dumb are these people?

They're suddenly acting like Haiti is the root of all evil lmao

So easily led.
 
Well how dumb are these people?

They're suddenly acting like Haiti is the root of all evil lmao

So easily led.

in 2016 they used mexicans as their boogeyman to run their fear campaign off of.

in 2020 it was the lgbtq community

now in 2024 they have selected haitians to be their boogeyman.

same playbook, different election.
 
No, I didn't write the tweet. I certainly don't believe all Haitians fall into one particular category either.


I'm guessing voodoo? That shithead can't spell.


I'm not quite sure how to explain where the line is on it. Everybody has different views on it. In recent years, I've seen a pattern where more and more people try to make a case of racism over more and more trivial things. Are people required to explicitly state they are racist to actually be racist? No. If you say you're not racist and then go call a black guy the N-word, you're a racist piece of shit. I feel that's obvious. It gets less and less obvious when racism is applied to more and more vague things. No, I don't believe only the blatantly racist are racist. But I'm also not on the same boat as people who say adding milk to coffee is a societal racist microagression either.

I mean, I get it. Theres a few posters around here who have made it their WR identities to constantly point out my racism towards my Mom because they felt booty-hurt about a comment I made. So I can understand feeling some kind of way about egregious use of that. However, adopting the viewpoint that most declarations of racism are largely egregious and mistaken can be just as counter-productive to solving the issue. If I was a Haitian, there would be literally nothing in this dude's post suggesting he DIDN'T mean also me...except perhaps if I confronted him to his face to say I'm not any of the absurd bullsh*t tropes he listed. Usually when you do that to a racist they deflect by putting up their hands and saying "Well of course I don't mean YOU, you're one of the good ones."
 
in 2016 they used mexicans as their boogeyman to run their fear campaign off of.

in 2020 it was the lgbtq community

now in 2024 they have selected haitians to be their boogeyman.

same playbook, different election.

This is off-topic but speaking of same playbook, different election, check out Climate Town's video on 2020. I was in Florida when this happened and the shenanigans that happened turned me off of voting for 20 years:



To tie this back to Haitians, I was in Broward Country which also had counting issues, the machines were blamed, and so were the election workers. Many of whom were Haitian. I remember people on local news asking how someone could be a poll worker who didn't even speak English. Which would of course be followed up by an interview of a poll worker speaking perfectly fine English but with a smooth Creole accent.
 
I agree with the second part of your post. I disagree with your assesment. I think that sub cultures for sure exist but there does tend to be a meta unifying culture that passes through those lines. Thats why, as diverse as Toronto already was, the new wave of Indian immigrants, are still not assimilating smoothly.
I don’t disagree that there’s necessarily a “meta unifying culture,” but I think it’s very meta—like, very broad.

For example, I live in Wisconsin. And we have cities/towns with really big German or Norwegian populations. If you go to Stoughton, WI, like every 4th house has a Norwegian flag displayed. One town (Watertown maybe?) has a big mural welcoming you to town written in Norwegian.

And no one cares, it doesn’t cause any friction. People are either Norwegian themselves or if they aren’t, they find it kind of charming, and no one cares if they speak Norwegian or German, if they have their holiday myths like Krampus, or put their shoes out for Saint Nicholas, or whatever.
—But I’ll bet you that if all those flags were the Mexican flag, and that big mural welcomed people to town in Spanish, it’d be a different story.

So why is that? I’d argue because as white Europeans, we don’t find other European cultures as different, foreign, or “other.” People feel differently when it’s an African culture, or Mexican, or Haitian, or whatever.
So we could say there’s a meta-culture, but it’s very very broad, like “white European” or something. And we make allowances for those people that aren’t made for other immigrants, and we make demands of other immigrants that aren’t made on the European ones.
 
No, I didn't write the tweet. I certainly don't believe all Haitians fall into one particular category either.
so why are you trying to give him the benefit of some doubt, instead of interpreting it the obvious way. "these haitians" are almost certainly not the "worst" of the haitians.

and i asked if you would think it was bigoted if you replaced haitians with africans. read the quote again and tell me what you think.....

here, i edited it for you to assess:

"Lol. These Africans are wild. Eating pets, vudu, nastiest continent in the world, cults, slapstick gangsters… but damned if they don’t feel all sophisticated now, filing charges against our President and VP. All these thugs better get their mind right and their asses out of our country before January 20th."
 
in 2016 they used mexicans as their boogeyman to run their fear campaign off of.

in 2020 it was the lgbtq community

now in 2024 they have selected haitians to be their boogeyman.

same playbook, different election.

So, so dumb...

One of those GOP assholes has a dart board with a bunch of different minorities on there, huh? Whoever they happen to hit, THAT'S THE ONE!

Then there's probably a second dart board with a bunch of partial phrases on like "danger to" or "sacrifice", and then a third dart board with "jobs", "children", or "dogs" on.

I can envision it now...

2028 will be... "Polynesians" "frequently brutalize" "peasants" - and we'll get a load of hokey videos and people telling anecdotes about how the local Samoans are running round squashing homeless people in the middle of the night, and why are they here when they're such an obvious and omnipresent danger to poor people?!?!?

2032: "Muslims" "smuggle out of America" "babies".

Good ol' right wing fantasy politics.

You gotta have something for the dimwits.
 
This is off-topic but speaking of same playbook, different election, check out Climate Town's video on 2020. I was in Florida when this happened and the shenanigans that happened turned me off of voting for 20 years:



To tie this back to Haitians, I was in Broward Country which also had counting issues, the machines were blamed, and so were the election workers. Many of whom were Haitian. I remember people on local news asking how someone could be a poll worker who didn't even speak English. Which would of course be followed up by an interview of a poll worker speaking perfectly fine English but with a smooth Creole accent.


reported for off topic posting. enjoy your self ban.
 
What do you believe is the differentiators between which Haitians are good vs bad? Consider you're in a thread about a guy who is perpetuating outright lies about ANY Haitians.

The difference is with these ones, he feels he has public license to let his racist flag fly.

I remember the day euphemism died in America.

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Didn't someone just drop a hard R on Megyn Kelly's show? Didn't conservatives here immediately handwave it?
 
Oh.. you guys get offended too easily. Bunch of snowflakes


Dude tweeted what a lot of people with a couple of beers on would tell their friends in a pub. Who the fuck cares?
People who expect a higher standard of their elected officials than drunk guy at the pub?

People don't want to devolve into one of those under developed countries electing leaders who hire mediums to talk to their dead dog now do they?

This is why standards are important.
 
its only because the house was going to censure him.

and as to why they wanted him to take that down...just take a look at the tweet. if you cant understand why people would get offended over such blatant bigotry, then maybe you are part of the problem.

I would say Americans are treating the Haitians in America well.

I wonder what level of bigotry the Haitians would be at if you were to go and live there.

Lolololol, get real softy.
 
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