Social Loony left destroys another statue; hangs it by its neck from a tree

[MicroBrew]

Just because a few cops may go overboard doesn’t mean the underlying movement is wrong. Surely you apply this thinking across all your political beliefs..

It is not a few cops, the system defends and covers up for the bad apples.

When that old guy was pushed and fell , and the two cops involved were relieved of duty, the whole SWAT team quit in support. When good cops stand up for the people, the other cops and the system has a tendency to attack the good cop. When a cop does something shitty and gets fired or asked to resign, a neighboring department hires him/her.

 

[rob mafia]

And yet here you are, the one who originally called it art. So you want to be the decider.

...lolz @ being this pompously clueless.

i'm saying that factual art is art. you're saying that the factual art isn't actually art because (insert your opinion).

no false equivalency there...

 

[rob mafia]

So think correcting a mistake you made means people should be grateful?

...versus what, being enslaved? holy shit. i know you're trolling, but you can do better than this, right?

 

[MicroBrew]

You are wrong about what the underlying movement is. It was easily predictable that going "overboard" was inevitable, not as a mistake due to over exuberance, but because the motivating factor isn't hatred of racism of the Confederacy but hatred of the US itself. Trump himself predicted it, and as I hear it, he's an idiot. So an idiot can clearly see what's happening here. You've never yet considered even for a moment that the examples you yourself consistently offer up, the toppling of Saddam's statues, of Nazi statues, and of Soviet statues, all have as their underlying meaning political revolution and regime change.

Left wing iconoclasm for dummies could be stated thus:
1. The far left, and to a much lesser extent the center left, hates America and what it stands for. Thus they will continue to attack symbolism of the US political order until they achieve revolutionary change or face stiff political or criminal penalties for doing so.
2. The mainstream left will never oppose or tolerate interference with this agenda.

You guys on the right are pushing this argument (i.e. the current protests are against the US) as a means to justify criticism of the whole movement. You have to realize that BLM and the protests are very de-centralized. A person can agree with some major platforms of BLM and not agree with everything done by any person who claims to be a supporter of BLM and the protests. A person can support aspects of liberal or conservative ideology but not support all aspects of liberal and conservative ideology.

If you consider the current protests and opposition to certain statues as political change then teh Civil Rights movement was also political change. Political change is not defacto bad. Trump just echoes far right dog whistles. The far right wants to spin a narrative the protests are anti American , just as they tried to pin the anti-American label on the Civil Rights movement and MLK Jnr.

 

[TheComebackKid]

no 90% of slaves brought to America were already slaves in Africa enslaved by their own people, if it wasn’t for white Americans they would still be in a third world country and a high probability worse living conditions and maybe even still a slave. White Americans did however help create the great country we will live in today and fought for blacks take part. Deal with it

Ok. History lesson time:

-Only 5% of the African slaves sold from Africa actually came to North America. The rest went to south America.

-Africans and Negroes are two different groups of people. Negroes werent being sold by other Negroes. They were being sold by Africans.

-The vast majority of black slaves in America were Indian pows, not Africans. Thats means they were already free Americans when they met you.

 

[rob mafia]

So we should praise confederate statues?

ffs, i JUST said:

i know you're trolling, but you can do better than this, right?

 

[vanillaisis]

But I thought the civil war wasn’t about slavery, it was about states right.

everything was ok after slavery freed black Americans had the same rights as everyone right?

and what about the traitorous statues why do we need them again?

What did Washington and Ulysses Grant do to deserve their statues being taken down? Lincoln's next.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

You guys on the right are pushing this argument (i.e. the current protests are against the US) as a means to justify criticism of the whole movement. You have to realize that BLM and the protests are very de-centralized. A person can agree with some major platforms of BLM and not agree with everything done by any person who claims to be a supporter of BLM and the protests. A person can support aspects of liberal or conservative ideology but not support all aspects of liberal and conservative ideology.

If you consider the current protests and opposition to certain statues as political change then teh Civil Rights movement was also political change. Political change is not defacto bad. Trump just echoes far right dog whistles. The far right wants to spin a narrative the protests are anti American , just as they tried to pin the anti-American label on the Civil Rights movement and MLK Jnr.

Trump didn't echo far right dog whistles; what does that even mean in this context, in which the far right is completely irrelevant. He accurately predicted that the attack on US political symbols would not stop with Confederate statues and would continue with attacks against Washington and Jefferson. It's not that he was smart or possessed peculiar insight in doing so. Anyone can see it, unless they choose to be willfully ignorant.

And no, there's a massive difference between political reform like the Civil Rights Act, and political regime change of the type usually associated with widespread attacks on statuary and political symbols.

 

[vanillaisis]

I don’t agree with those removals, that was ignorance and mob mentality.
But should we equate that with real lynchings?
Or are you apart of the argument that black Americans should be grateful that white Americans gave them the rights of humans under the constitution?

You mentioned traitorous statues. I'm just trying to point out that this destruction has nothing to do with ethics or morals. Y'all can have your arguments about slavery and the civil war all you want.

 

[MicroBrew]

Trump didn't echo far right dog whistles; what does that even mean in this context, in which the far right is completely irrelevant. He accurately predicted that the attack on US political symbols would not stop with Confederate statues and would continue with attacks against Washington and Jefferson. It's not that he was smart or possessed peculiar insight in doing so. Anyone can see it, unless they choose to be willfully ignorant.

And no, there's a massive difference between political reform like the Civil Rights Act, and political regime change of the type usually associated with widespread attacks on statuary and political symbols.

The far right narrative is to claim the statue issue is anti American , instead of it being anti Confederate and anti glorification of figures known for their especially dispicable outlook and actions, like Columbus. Trump echoes this , because his administration has been engaged in dog whistles for a long time.

Civil Rights Act was a movement against some aspects of White power. Aside from police accountability and oversight, BLM/protests is a movement to address some libering aspects of overt White power. The issue with the statues precedes BLM, it has been brought up many times over the years, notably right after Dylan Roof killed Black parishoners. The Battle flag, another issue for BLM and anti confederate statue protesters, precedes BLM . The NCAA has just said they will no longer hold chamionshops in Mississippi, because the MS state flag incorperates the battle flag, the only State to do so.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

The far right narrative is to claim the statue issue is anti American , instead of it being anti Confederate and anti glorification of figures known for their especially dispicable outlook and actions, like Columbus. Trump echoes this , because his administration has been engaged in dog whistles for a long time.

Lol, the use of dog whistle here is itself a dog whistle. As is your usage of "far right". I'm not far right. Neither is Trump. You're using those buzz words to deflect away from the real criticism here and to make it seem like racists sad to see statues gone.

Columbus did not have an especially despicable outlook. He's attacked because he is the origin of European domination of the New World, because that is seen as a bad thing. Just like Washington and Jefferson are attacked because the foundation of the USA is seen as a bad thing.

Your own reflex whenever the issue of historical vandalism comes up anywhere in the world is to deflect and gaslight. That's all I mean when I say the center left and reasonable liberals will never be any help at all in countering the far left revolutionary fringe they've helped create. Moderate leftists have often had a blindspot for the malignant left, historically speaking, whether we speak of the Girondists or Kerensky. That's what you are demonstrating here.

 

[vanillaisis]

Sometimes it’s misguided sure, but the destruction is definitely moral and ethical when it is a confederate general or something of the ilk. Especially in southern states.

It's not ethical destruction when Union Generals and founding fathers are targets. Especially Union Generals. It's misguided because there is no real leadership within BLM or Antifa for that matter. Just chaos.

 

[MicroBrew]

Lol, the use of dog whistle here is itself a dog whistle. As is your usage of "far right". I'm not far right. Neither is Trump. You're using those buzz words to deflect away from the real criticism here and to make it seem like racists sad to see statues gone.

Columbus did not have an especially despicable outlook. He's attacked because he is the origin of European domination of the New World, because that is seen as a bad thing. Just like Washington and Jefferson are attacked because the foundation of the USA is seen as a bad thing.

Your own reflex whenever the issue of historical vandalism comes up anywhere in the world is to deflect and gaslight. That's all I mean when I say the center left and reasonable liberals will never be any help at all in countering the far left revolutionary fringe they've helped create. Moderate leftists have often had a blindspot for the malignant left, historically speaking, whether we speak of the Girondists or Kerensky. That's what you are demonstrating here.

Trump panders to the far right; what do you think Birtherism was ? Trump tweeted a fake crime stat that showed up on Stormfront.Trump tried to give the impression Mexican illegal immigrants were rapists and bad people.

Columbus was just an evil figure. You only have to read his own words and how he treated Ameindians to see this. You know what he did and yet you defend him and whitewash his actions, that says a lot about your symaptheis. And don't give me the cop-out that he was a man of his time; that is the often deployed argument to defend evil.

What is defelecting about pointing out the rightwing hypocrisy towards the statue Saddam and Communist figures being taken down. You just don't like rightwing arguments being shown for the double standard it is.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Trump panders to the far right; what do you think Birtherism was ? Trump tweeted a fake crime stat that showed up on Stormfront.Trump tried to give the impression Mexican illegal immigrants were rapists and bad people.

Columbus was just an evil figure. You only have to read his own words and how he treated Ameindians to see this. You know what he did and yet you defend him and whitewash his actions, that says a lot about your symaptheis. And don't give me the cop-out that he was a man of his time; that is the often deployed argument to defend evil.

What is defelecting about pointing out the rightwing hypocrisy towards the statue Saddam and Communist figures being taken down. You just don't like rightwing arguments being shown for the double standard it is.

1. I think Columbus was a great mariner who changed the world. He should be celebrated.
2. You are flailing about Trump. Whether or not he tweeted a fake stat is irrelevant to the fake that he clearly foresaw, as did any careful observer, that the justification of historical iconoclasm as being anti-Confederate was a pretext that would quickly be superseded by the real goals of the revolutionary left: undercutting important cultural and political symbolism of the USA. That's why they've attacked statues of abolitionists, US Grant (probably the American white man who did more than any other to help American blacks, other than perhaps Lincoln), and of course Jefferson and Washington.
3. If it were really just a mistake of exuberance, you think we'd see a lot more on the left denouncing the attacks on statues of Washington et al. But it's been pretty quiet I think.

 

[BEER]

Good

 

[Viva]

In the future all our statues will be of black trannies and super heroes.

 

[AZ103]

You can’t lynch inanimate objects only and an emotional crybaby would think you could

You have your blinders on too tight sherbro.

 

[Utahraptor Ostrommaysi]

Good, hopefully they will do the same thing to a certain Cheeto.

 

[SBJJ]

I have a feeling churches will be next.

 

[Jesus X]

Well do you attach them to a tiny noose ?

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