Social Loony left destroys another statue; hangs it by its neck from a tree

[rob mafia]

There's a historical pattern that suggests it does. People act as if none of this matters. On the left, vandalism and destruction of property, not to mention the destruction of culture, are never any big deal. On the right, its taken as LARPing. I think both are wrong.

there was arson and murder during the riots. even a livestreamed execution. we already past 'oh, just vandalism' and 'oh, just LARPing.'

 

[MicroBrew]

There's a historical pattern that suggests it does. People act as if none of this matters. On the left, vandalism and destruction of property, not to mention the destruction of culture, are never any big deal. On the right, its taken as LARPing. I think both are wrong.

Defacing or removign statues is not a leftwing phenomena. The rightwing had no issue with US Marines pulling down a statue of Saddam. Post Berlin wall, countless statues of Communist dictators were pulled down. At the end of WW2, the newly formed German government destroyed and pulled down 3rd Reich statues and symbolism.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Defacing or removign statues is not a leftwing phenomena. The rightwing had no issue with US Marines pulling down a statue of Saddam. Post Berlin wall, countless statues of Communist dictators were pulled down. At the end of WW2, the newly formed German government destroyed and pulled down 3rd Reich statues and symbolism.

In the US in the current context, the attack on US history and US cultural symbolism is absolutely a left wing phenomenon. In addition, the example you used of toppling Saddam's statue and ending the USSR and the Third Reich are wonderful examples of what pulling down statues is usually about historically speaking: regime change. It's no different in intent now. The far left is becoming openly insurrectionist. The mainstream left has no interest in reigning them in, ever.

Personally, I think most probably, nothing much will come of it either way. But if another majorly divisive event were to occur, like a rash of assassinations a la 1968, and I think we could have a real problem on our hands.

 

[MicroBrew]

In the US in the current context, the attack on US history and US cultural symbolism is absolutely a left wing phenomenon. In addition, the example you used of toppling Saddam's statue and ending the USSR and the Third Reich are wonderful examples of what pulling down statues is usually about historically speaking: regime change. It's no different in intent now. The far left is becoming openly insurrectionist. The mainstream left has no interest in reigning them in, ever.

Personally, I think most probably, nothing much will come of it either way. But if another majorly divisive event were to occur, like a rash of assassinations a la 1968, and I think we could have a real problem on our hands.

Ofcourse it is a leftwing phenomena in the US. The "regime change" you speak of is not regime change, it is doing away with figures and symbols of hate. Confederate statues were erected well after the Civil War ended, and were done so as overt symbols of White supremacy , to lend support to Jim Crow laws.

The Richmond Robert E Lee statue was erected by a segregationist to support a Whites only neighborhood.

Richmond’s Lee sculpture sits atop a pedestal on a traffic circle at the gateway to Monument Avenue, an architectural paean to white Richmonders’ long tradition of gracious, segregated living.

The land was a gift to the state from real estate investor Otway S. Allen and his sisters, Bettie F. Allen Gregory and Martha Allen Wilson. The donors hoped that putting the monument on the tree-lined boulevard would hasten development of the prestigious, whites-only residential neighborhood planned for the area.

Back in the 19th century, the Lee monument was on the outskirts of the city. Over the next 40 years, four more Confederate monuments were erected along the avenue, which traverses what is now central Richmond.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-legal-hurdle-removing-confederate-141851916.html

 

[MicroBrew]

Saddam was an enemy we were engaged in combat with.

Thank you for admitting that these assholes are at war with America, ergo, fucking traitors.

Nope, the enemy is not the US government but overt symbols of White power. The Confederates were the traitors and anyone who defends them is a traitor.

 

[Rocksalt]

Only agitators use words like “lynching” to equate an inanimate object with the suffering of human beings being hung for their race and dragged in the streets.
You sure you’re on the right side there chap?

they would still have been slaves with no rights in africa if it wasn’t for white Americans putting the smack down on white slave owners in the civil war. Whites should be celebrated for abolishing slavery and setting people free world wide

 

[MicroBrew]

<45> at that threadbare boogeyman "White Supremacy". No one is buying it anymore. Like the word racism, it has been wrung dry long ago.

Nah, they're (antifa, blm, etc) traitors, and anybody that supports them are as well.


What's next? gonna destroy art, literature and ban certain types of music?

Thos confederate statues were erected to glorify White supremacy , Jim crow laws and slavery. Columbus was a genocidal butcher, so decent folks and Native groups rightly have an issue with glorifying him.
Your last sentence is worthless strawman hyperbole.

Why am I even arguing with a newly created rightwing account sympathetic to white power. What was your previous account, Ihan89?

 

[ocfightfan]

It's been clear for awhile that they are ignorant children who don't know how good they have it and want to force everyone to chase a fantasy.

For now the rest of us have to put up with their tempter tantrum, but if things get too bad they are in for a number of ugly surprises.

 

[rob mafia]

Your last sentence is worthless strawman hyperbole.

...statues are art. so it was actually pretty valid and accurate.

 

[Fatality]

Why are these degenerate scumbags still allowed to congregate in these mobs. Isn't all the property damage and violence they have committed enough at this point to forfeit their right to peaceful assembly? Since, you know, it has been anything but peaceful.

 

[MicroBrew]

...statues are art. so it was actually pretty valid and accurate.

Not all statues. These confederate statues are nothing special for their time.

 

[MicroBrew]

Grant was a Union Genearl. How is he a symbol of "Huwite Supremacy"?

Traitors. You're in good company.

I didn't say anything about Grant. I think some statues (like Confederate leaders) need to be removed and put away in a museum , this does not mean I think all statues should meet a similar fate.

 

[rob mafia]

Not all statues. These confederate statues are nothing special for their time.

lolz @ pretending to be the decider of what is/is not art re: public statues.

 

[Rocksalt]

So what because there were only white leaders allowed from being enslaved black people?
Even if the confederates that we’re defeated?
That is your premise?

the blacks were enslaved already by blacks and a lot still are, whites freed them

 

[MicroBrew]

lolz @ pretending to be the decider of what is/is not art re: public statues.

And yet here you are, the one who originally called it art. So you want to be the decider.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Ofcourse it is a leftwing phenomena in the US. The "regime change" you speak of is not regime change, it is doing away with figures and symbols of hate. Confederate statues were erected well after the Civil War ended, and were done so as overt symbols of White supremacy , to lend support to Jim Crow laws.

The left wing attack on statuary and cultural symbolism has already gone far beyond tearing down Confederate statues. Abolitionist statues have been defaced, statues of Jefferson and Washington have been destroyed. Why? Because you are dead wrong about the meaning of these attacks. It has little to do with Jim Crow and everything to do with attacking America's political foundations. It is aided by more mainstream left wing attacks on America's history, like the NYT's ugly and inaccurate 1619 project.

Hopefully, this assault on our culture and the nation's political underpinnings will burn out shortly, but I am beginning to doubt that it will, because easy but substantial victories will only increase the appetite and influence of the far left.

 

[MicroBrew]

The left wing attack on statuary and cultural symbolism has already gone far beyond tearing down Confederate statues. Abolitionist statues have been defaced, statues of Jefferson and Washington have been destroyed. Why? Because you are dead wrong about the meaning of these attacks. It has little to do with Jim Crow and everything to do with attacking America's political foundations. It is aided by more mainstream left wing attacks on America's history, like the NYT's ugly and inaccurate 1619 project.

Hopefully, this assault on our culture and the nation's political underpinnings will burn out shortly, but I am beginning to doubt that it will, because easy but substantial victories will only increase the appetite and influence of the far left.

Just because some leftists may go overboard does not mean the underlying movement is wrong. The opposition to Confederate statues and Columbus and the Battle flag has been going on for a long time, well before BLM and the current protests.

You also should be aware that some rightwingers could be engaged in some of this vandalism . 3 members of a far right group were arrested for attempting to carry out attacks during the BLM protests. Statue of a Black figure was vandalized in England.

 

[MicroBrew]

no 90% of slaves brought to America were already slaves in Africa enslaved by their own people, if it wasn’t for white Americans they would still be in a third world country and a high probability worse living conditions and maybe even still a slave. White Americans did however help create the great country we will live in today and fought for blacks take part. Deal with it

"Enslaved by their own people" is a moronic statement. It is like saying Jews were genocided by their own people in WW2, because Jews and Germans are both White / Caucasoid. It is like saying Koreans and Chinese were raped and brutalized by their own people, because Chinese, Koreans and Japanese are all north East Asians , beloning to the Mongoloid race.

 

[rokzilla]

Just because some leftists may go overboard does not mean the underlying movement is wrong. The opposition to Confederate statues and Columbus and the Battle flag has been going on for a long time, well before BLM and the current protests.

You also should be aware that some rightwingers could be engaged in some of this vandalism . 3 members of a far right group were arrested for attempting to carry out attacks during the BLM protests. Statue of a Black figure was vandalized in England.

Just because a few cops may go overboard doesn’t mean the underlying movement is wrong. Surely you apply this thinking across all your political beliefs..

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Just because some leftists may go overboard does not mean the underlying movement is wrong.

You are wrong about what the underlying movement is. It was easily predictable that going "overboard" was inevitable, not as a mistake due to over exuberance, but because the motivating factor isn't hatred of racism of the Confederacy but hatred of the US itself. Trump himself predicted it, and as I hear it, he's an idiot. So an idiot can clearly see what's happening here. You've never yet considered even for a moment that the examples you yourself consistently offer up, the toppling of Saddam's statues, of Nazi statues, and of Soviet statues, all have as their underlying meaning political revolution and regime change.

Left wing iconoclasm for dummies could be stated thus:
1. The far left, and to a much lesser extent the center left, hates America and what it stands for. Thus they will continue to attack symbolism of the US political order until they achieve revolutionary change or face stiff political or criminal penalties for doing so.
2. The mainstream left will never oppose or tolerate interference with this agenda.