Lomachenko and Cruz have the same style?. Great fighters both of them

@Hi-Tech so what are your thoughts on here?

It's unfair to compare Cruz and Loma because one is a boxer with tons of amateur experience and one of the P4P best pros at the moment while the other is an MMA fighter who discovered boxing footwork by studying Willie Pep. So yeah obviously Loma is "better" so I'd rather just focus on comparing the styles of footwork.

Cruz is an outside fighter who would try to lead you into punches and then circle away. He uses footwork and great mobility to stay on the outside and prey on his opponent, trying to find him unbalanced or having him at the right angle when he could punch him without taking the return fire. He has defensive footwork.

Loma on the other hand does a lot of things, when it comes to footwork he switches from offensive and defensive footwork and is comfortable at any range. I think his signature style are those pivots in front of his opponent where he instantly creates angles and becomes practically unhittable at close range while he can still unleash his combos on the opponent. And it's not only the typical boxing pivots, sometimes he takes a slight jump to move to the other angle even more quickly.

I don't see anyone in MMA pivoting that much, one thing you have to consider is that it's easier to do it when you're wearing boxing shoes. Boxing shoes are extremely important for footwork, they're designed this way so that you're more comfortable standing on the tip of your toes and you can pivot very smoothly. When I have normal shoes on it's a bit harder because there's more traction. I guess that being barefooted is even worse.
 
Lomachenko is in another universe. Its fucking disgusting to compare Cruz to him honestly.

Its sad most MMA fans would make this comparison. Cruz doesn't have 10% of Loma's masterful footwork.

thank you
 
Lomachenkos foot work wasn't good enough to beat orlando salido

Let's just look at the facts for a moment.

Lomachenko was attemping to set a world record in professional boxing history by being the first fighter to ever win a world title in just his second professional fight. It'd literally never been done before throughout the sport's entire history. Salido had been a pro boxer for well over a decade and a half (since 1996) and had tons of pro experience heading into the fight, including at the championship level, as he was one and previously was one. Salido decided to not even bother making weight, came in 2.25 pounds over the Featherweight (126) limit, lost his title to the scale, and then rehydrated up 17 pounds (possibly even more than this after the fight day unofficial weigh-ins) by the time they fought. Loma made weight (under, actually, he was 125.25 and Salido was 3 pounds heavier) and on fight night, Loma weighed 136. He rehydrated the usual 10 pounds while Salido was 147 pounds, an 11 (if not more) pound difference between them in the fight. That's just a pound shy of being 2 full weight classes apart. Salido came in as a full out Welterweight with no cut while Loma came in as a Lightweight with no cut that was just a pound over the 135 upper limit for that division.

Salido is the dirtiest fighter in the sport. Ask anyone that watches boxing religiously and they'll tell you that. It allowed him to be very competitive with Vargas too and he sliced him open badly with headbutts. He's constantly headbutting, excessively holding (especially when he's hurt, when Loma hurt him as well), holding and hitting, punching off the break and repeatedly low blowing his opponents to the upper thighs, hips and directly to the groin. He doesn't fight clean at all. Back in 2006, he fought and beat Robert Guerrero for the IBF Featherweight title and was busted for steroids (Nandrolone), so he was stripped of that title and it was overturned to a No Contest. So, to make matters even worse for him, he's a confirmed PED cheat too.

It's really hard to in-fight when your opponent is hellbent on smashing you in the dick, balls and hips the whole fight for 12 rounds. He ended up winning an extremely controversial Split Decision (one judge scored it for Lomachenko) and the corrupt ref didn't even deduct a single point during the contest, just issued a warning, when many points should've been taken, or, he should've been outright DQ'ed. It was one of the worst reffing jobs in the last 20 years by Texas ref Laurence Cole. He had a lot of answering to do after that one and was criticized by everybody including HBO (including calls for him to be investigated). Lomachenko even managed to outland Salido and that was only his second pro fight and his first 12 rounder. He also nearly finished him at the end of the fight. This was with a purely amateur style as he hadn't even adjusted to the pro game yet whatsoever. That's really embarrassing for Salido, when you think about it. Ever since, any time one of Loma's opponents low blow him they get an immediate warning and points have already been taken, for example, from Gammy Rodriguez, the WBO #1 ranked contender when he fought and low blowed Loma himself.

Let's take a look at just a few of Salido's low blows that he was landing throughout the fight. Keep in mind, this is a professional boxer, a world champion, doing this to a green as you can get just turned pro prospect in Lomachenko.



Salido's own Wikipedia page mentions the incidents during their fight and the people that run his page are his fans lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Salido

It also has its own Wikipedia page entry dedicated to the controversy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Salido_vs._Vasyl_Lomachenko

"He was fighting a full welterweight, getting hit in the balls all night, in only his second pro bout, and he still almost came back to win." - Machine Levine, Punch Lines Podcast

You already know what will happen in a rematch. ;) It's supposed to be coming next. This time there will be a rehydration clause where Salido won't be able to balloon up 19 pounds and be allowed to miss weight on purpose in the first place. If he wants to foul Loma then he'll be penalized for it and it'll cost him the points that it should've in the first place, where he would've lost that decision to Lomachenko in their first outing had that happened and Loma would've went on to make the history that he should've (which he still did but it was in his next fight against GJR).

No unbiased boxing fan (or fighter) actually counts that Salido fight as a legitimate loss. Why? Because it wasn't clean, far from it, Salido was outlanded according to the punch stats, it was just his second pro fight and first 12 rounder, and it was a Split Decision that should've gone to Loma after the proper point deductions were taken. Lomachenko is being fast tracked extremely quickly and doesn't care about doing everything in his power to protect his "0". He doesn't want to be protected and just fight bums to pad his record like you see with most boxers coming up in the pro ranks. Instead, he wants challenges, not easy fights. It's a breath of fresh air that he's constantly looking for titleholders in his divisions to fight. He already moved up and fought Martinez for his WBO Jr. Lightweight title and won it because nobody wanted to fight him at Featherweight after he smashed undefeated Olympian and blue chip prospect Gary Russell Jr. for the vacant WBO Featherweight title (Gary is now a Featherweight champion himself).

If you fight Lomachenko fair you're bound to lose. Unless you can land the big one, you'll be soundly outboxed, beaten up in the process, likely end up looking foolish and possibly KTFO'ed like Roman "Rocky" Martinez was. He had never been knocked out aside from a liver shot from Mikey Garcia years ago and on fight night he was 7 pounds heavier than Loma. That didn't matter. But, credit to Rocky for fighting Loma clean when others don't want to do this (or even fight him for that matter). They get desperate and resort to cheating because they can't beat the guy fair and square according to the rules.

Floyd fought some absolute nobody named Reggie Sanders in his second pro fight and that was only a 4 rounder. The guy was 1-1 going into their fight and was previously KO'ed in his previous fight. Sanders is now 12-47-4 as a pro. http://boxrec.com/boxer/7056 It wasn't until Floyd's 18th fight that he even fought for a world title despite how talented he was and highly touted when he turned pro. Let that sink in.
 
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No they don't

It's not even close

Cruz hops around like a little grasshopper who wishes his movement and footwork were as beautiful as Lomachenko

Truth is a lot of that movement Cruz does is flat out useless and retarded. Lomachenko is in a different league
I'm on my phone and really didn't feel like typing a lot.

So thank you!
 
LMAO of course Schaub gets auto-hate, God forbid anybody around here actually admits that a once professional UFC fighter might know more about fighting than they do.

Proceed to make yourselves look stupid though.
I actually disagree. Just because he was a pro fighter doesn't mean shit to be honest.
 
Let's just look at the facts for a moment.

Lomachenko was attemping to set a world record in professional boxing history by being the first fighter to ever win a world title in just his second professional fight. It'd literally never been done before throughout the sport's entire history. Salido had been a pro boxer for well over a decade and a half (since 1996) and had tons of pro experience heading into the fight, including at the championship level, as he was one and previously was one. Salido decided to not even bother making weight, came in 2.25 pounds over the Featherweight (126) limit, lost his title to the scale, and then rehydrated up 17 pounds (possibly even more than this after the fight day unofficial weigh-ins) by the time they fought. Loma made weight (under, actually, he was 125.25 and Salido was 3 pounds heavier) and on fight night, Loma weighed 136. He rehydrated the usual 10 pounds while Salido was 147 pounds, an 11 (if not more) pound difference between them in the fight. That's just a pound shy of being 2 full weight classes apart. Salido came in as a full out Welterweight with no cut while Loma came in as a Lightweight with no cut that was just a pound over the 135 upper limit for that division.

Salido is the dirtiest fighter in the sport. Ask anyone that watches boxing religiously and they'll tell you that. It allowed him to be very competitive with Vargas too and he sliced him open badly with headbutts. He's constantly headbutting, excessively holding (especially when he's hurt, when Loma hurt him as well), holding and hitting, punching off the break and repeatedly low blowing his opponents to the upper thighs, hips and directly to the groin. He doesn't fight clean at all. Back in 2006, he fought and beat Robert Guerrero for the IBF Featherweight title and was busted for steroids (Nandrolone), so he was stripped of that title and it was overturned to a No Contest. So, to make matters even worse for him, he's a confirmed PED cheat too.

It's really hard to in-fight when your opponent is hellbent on smashing you in the dick, balls and hips the whole fight for 12 rounds. He ended up winning an extremely controversial Split Decision (one judge scored it for Lomachenko) and the corrupt ref didn't even deduct a single point during the contest, just issued a warning, when many points should've been taken, or, he should've been outright DQ'ed. It was one of the worst reffing jobs in the last 20 years by Texas ref Laurence Cole. He had a lot of answering to do after that one and was criticized by everybody including HBO (including calls for him to be investigated). Lomachenko even managed to outland Salido and that was only his second pro fight and his first 12 rounder. He also nearly finished him at the end of the fight. This was with a purely amateur style as he hadn't even adjusted to the pro game yet whatsoever. That's really embarrassing for Salido, when you think about it. Ever since, any time one of Loma's opponents low blow him they get an immediate warning and points have already been taken, for example, from Gammy Rodriguez, the WBO #1 ranked contender when he fought and low blowed Loma himself.

Let's take a look at just a few of Salido's low blows that he was landing throughout the fight. Keep in mind, this is a professional boxer, a world champion, doing this to a green as you can get just turned pro prospect in Lomachenko.



Salido's own Wikipedia page mentions the incidents during their fight and the people that run his page are his fans lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Salido

It also has its own Wikipedia page entry dedicated to the controversy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Salido_vs._Vasyl_Lomachenko



You already know what will happen in a rematch. ;) It's supposed to be coming next. This time there will be a rehydration clause where Salido won't be able to balloon up 19 pounds and be allowed to miss weight on purpose in the first place. If he wants to foul Loma then he'll be penalized for it and it'll cost him the points that it should've in the first place, where he would've lost that decision to Lomachenko in their first outing had that happened and Loma would've went on to make the history that he should've (which he still did but it was in his next fight against GJR).

No unbiased boxing fan (or fighter) actually counts that Salido fight as a legitimate loss. Why? Because it wasn't clean, far from it, Salido was outlanded according to the punch stats, it was just his second pro fight and first 12 rounder, and it was a Split Decision that should've gone to Loma after the proper point deductions were taken. Lomachenko is being fast tracked extremely quickly and doesn't care about doing everything in his power to protect his "0". He doesn't want to be protected and just fight bums to pad his record like you see with most boxers coming up in the pro ranks. Instead, he wants challenges, not easy fights. It's a breath of fresh air that he's constantly looking for titleholders in his divisions to fight. He already moved up and fought Martinez for his WBO Jr. Lightweight title and won it because nobody wanted to fight him at Featherweight after he smashed undefeated Olympian and blue chip prospect Gary Russell Jr. for the vacant WBO Featherweight title (Gary is now a Featherweight champion himself).

If you fight Lomachenko fair you're bound to lose. Unless you can land the big one, you'll be soundly outboxed, beaten up in the process, likely end up looking foolish and possibly KTFO'ed like Roman "Rocky" Martinez was. He had never been knocked out aside from a liver shot from Mikey Garcia years ago and on fight night he was 7 pounds heavier than Loma. That didn't matter. But, credit to Rocky for fighting Loma clean when others don't want to do this (or even fight him for that matter). They get desperate and resort to cheating because they can't beat the guy fair and square according to the rules.

Floyd fought some absolute nobody named Reggie Sanders in his second pro fight and that was only a 4 rounder. The guy was 1-1 going into their fight and was previously KO'ed in his previous fight. Sanders is now 12-47-4 as a pro. http://boxrec.com/boxer/7056 It wasn't until Floyd's 18th fight that he even fought for a world title despite how talented he was and highly touted when he turned pro. Let that sink in.



They chose that guy because they thought that he wasn't good enough to fight with lomachenko. They were wrong.

But to all the haters that are saying lomachenko is so much better than cruz in boxing, ahh yeah hes a full time boxer would lomachenko be as good a wrestler as cruz, probably not.
 
I actually disagree. Just because he was a pro fighter doesn't mean shit to be honest.

Stay delusional.

An amateur fighter knows more about fighting than you.

The only thing you're guilty of fighting in life is the urge to jerk yourself off into a coma.
 
Dis you watch the fight? Salido came in 10lbs. Heavier and he fought a guy with 50 fights who is a very ,very good fighter and just had a draw with Vargas who is now fighting Pacquiao.

And Loma fought him for the belt in his second fight.

You don't see what's unique in this?


Yes I seen the fight. He isn't anywhere near Manny PAC you. Just saying. I really don't enjoy boxing, it's too rudimentary compared to MMA. Of course a guy that focuses on only one thing is going to be better then a guy that does not(i'm talking about the comparison of cruz to lomachenko)
 
Keep in mind, this is a professional boxer, a world champion, doing this to a green as you can get just turned pro prospect in Lomachenko.

Let's look at the facts: Anybody who says a guy who's amateur record was 396-1 is "green as you can get" is a moron.
 
comparing cruz to lomachenko? get real.

lomachenko won olympic gold twice. he's a somebody.

cruz cant break an egg. he's a nobody.
 
They chose that guy because they thought that he wasn't good enough to fight with lomachenko. They were wrong.

But to all the haters that are saying lomachenko is so much better than cruz in boxing, ahh yeah hes a full time boxer would lomachenko be as good a wrestler as cruz, probably not.

So they cherry picked a dirty veteran world champion for just his second fight? That would make sense if Lomachenko was an established professional boxer already, which he wasn't at the time. Who fights a veteran world champion in their second fight regardless of who it is? They were right, had Salido not cheated his ass off, he'd have lost and likely been finished. Rewatch the fight, he was getting beaten up and holding on for dear life at the end of the fight but was never penalized for all of the fouls he committed. The victory wasn't decisive, nor was it clean. It's marred with controversy due to Salido's cheating antics, not making weight and ballooning up to that of a Welterweight, low blowing the shit out of Lomachenko, hitting and holding, headbutting, etc.

Loma destroys Salido in the rematch. He'll be the favorite going in too, a heavy one.

Would Loma be as good of a wrestler as Cruz? Possibly after knocking some rust off. He wrestled (Greco), was a Judoka and a Sambist as a youth. He was very skilled in these combat sports and not just at boxing. Here's a highlight, so, you tell me. In case you forgot Lomachenko is Eastern European where wrestling, Judo and Sambo are very commonplace. And yes, he "knows submissions" and has submission defense.

Enjoy the video

 
HELL NO!!!

as much as i like footwork in boxing and mma, cruz footwork is nowhere similar to lomachenko's

for instance, cruz does no pivot. He normally dances and feints to make his opponent confused, once he attacks cuz just move to the other side; not to mention that those dances unbalances the opponent for a TD.

lomachenko just goes in and out attacking and pivoting without mercy.
 
So they cherry picked a dirty veteran world champion for just his second fight? That would make sense if Lomachenko was an established professional boxer already, which he wasn't at the time. Who fights a veteran world champion in their second fight regardless of who it is? They were right, had Salido not cheated his ass off, he'd have lost and likely been finished. Rewatch the fight, he was getting beaten up and holding on for dear life at the end of the fight but was never penalized for all of the fouls he committed. The victory wasn't decisive, nor was it clean. It's marred with controversy due to Salido's cheating antics, not making weight and ballooning up to that of a Welterweight, low blowing the shit out of Lomachenko, hitting and holding, headbutting, etc.

Loma destroys Salido in the rematch. He'll be the favorite going in too, a heavy one.

Would Loma be as good of a wrestler as Cruz? Possibly after knocking some rust off. He wrestled (Greco), was a Judoka and a Sambist as a youth. He was very skilled in these combat sports and not just at boxing. Here's a highlight, so, you tell me. In case you forgot Lomachenko is Eastern European where wrestling, Judo and Sambo are very commonplace. And yes, he "knows submissions" and has submission defense.

Enjoy the video




Sorry I didn't read all that, don't have time for that. It's great that you have all the time to know everything about loma. I know he's really good. We'll see how good he is in the near future when he starts facing better competition that Solido.
 
So they cherry picked a dirty veteran world champion for just his second fight? That would make sense if Lomachenko was an established professional boxer already, which he wasn't at the time. Who fights a veteran world champion in their second fight regardless of who it is? They were right, had Salido not cheated his ass off, he'd have lost and likely been finished. Rewatch the fight, he was getting beaten up and holding on for dear life at the end of the fight but was never penalized for all of the fouls he committed. The victory wasn't decisive, nor was it clean. It's marred with controversy due to Salido's cheating antics, not making weight and ballooning up to that of a Welterweight, low blowing the shit out of Lomachenko, hitting and holding, headbutting, etc.

Loma destroys Salido in the rematch. He'll be the favorite going in too, a heavy one.

Would Loma be as good of a wrestler as Cruz? Possibly after knocking some rust off. He wrestled (Greco), was a Judoka and a Sambist as a youth. He was very skilled in these combat sports and not just at boxing. Here's a highlight, so, you tell me. In case you forgot Lomachenko is Eastern European where wrestling, Judo and Sambo are very commonplace. And yes, he "knows submissions" and has submission defense.

Enjoy the video




I don't keep up with boxing. Because it's too fucking boring. Much less care to know one fighters life and his accomplishments. It's hard enough To try to keep up with the sport that I do like. MMA and American football
 
I don't keep up with boxing. Because it's too fucking boring. Much less care to know one fighters life and his accomplishments. It's hard enough To try to keep up with the sport that I do like. MMA and American football

He's faced better competition than Salido and soundly defeated them. Gary Russell Jr is a former US Olympian and a much more skilled technical boxer than Salido (who is a brawler with a lot of heart, dirty tactics and resilience). He's also FAR more physically gifted. He has some of the fastest hands in boxing, in fact, according to a recent Box Nation poll he was voted #1 over Khan, Pacquiao and others, and Lomachenko shut that down completely. Roman Martinez (who holds a win over Salido and drew with him in their rematch) is also as good if not better than Salido and he's a bit younger than him and larger. Martinez even managed to drop Mikey Garcia when they fought but ultimately got beaten up and finished in the 8th round (Loma smashed him without ever getting into any trouble in the 5th). Garcia was a top level fighter that just came back to boxing after a hiatus. Floyd has been trying to sign him.

Enjoy the video I shared, if you even watched it.
 
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