Movies LOGAN v.2 (Dragonlord's Review)

If you have seen LOGAN, how would you rate it?

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armbarforhire said:
Maybe using more family members?



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I was never a fan of Daken. I think it was the mohawk, tbh.
 
Anung Un Rama said:
She also seemed trained. One of the major aspects of Wolverine that they never captured was his fighting abilities. He's doesn't just spam overhand claw strikes; dude is an sick as martial artist.
She was basically a weaker, smaller version of what Wolverine should have been. X-23 is awesome.
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She did look more like a little rabid wolverine than Logan ever did in the movies.

Anung Un Rama said:
I was never a fan of Daken. I think it was the mohawk, tbh.
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Neither was I, but his sadistic metrosexual son would have been more interisting than nameless clone, tought it would have convulted/changed the story and relation with Laura to have him there.
 
Madmick said:
Yeah, here's my list of the 19 Superhero Comic Book movies that have been made that I felt were a class above:

DC
  • Batman (1989)
  • Batman Begins
  • The Dark Knight

  • Watchmen

  • Superman (1978)

Marvel
  • X-Men 2
  • X-Men: First Class
  • X-Men: Days of Future Past
  • Deadpool
  • Logan

  • Spider-Man 2

  • The Avengers

  • Guardians of the Galaxy

  • Captain America: Winter Soldier
  • Captain America: Civil War

  • Iron Man

  • The Hulk (2003)*

Dark Horse
  • Hellboy 2: The Golden Army

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  • Kick-Ass


*my only controversial pick, really, but IMO this is the most misunderstood and underappreciated movie made in the genre (horrible 5.7 on IMDb), and contains my favorite single moment in all of comic book film history. Yes, the ending definitely sucked. I forgive that.


Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the original Iron Man or Days of Future Past, and I wouldn't include them on a more personal list, but I acknowledge I belong to a very slim minority in both these cases, so I feel like they belong here, and I can make peace with them. I can see there's quite a bit going on in the latter, but I've never figured out what anybody thought was extraordinary about Iron Man apart from Robert Downey's performance. Overall the movie was really well told, but I found it kind of trite and shallow. Still, I enjoyed the hell out of it, so I can't really hate too much. Winter Soldier is definitely on the bubble, for me, but man, it deserves to be here for the action sequences alone. Freaking spectacular. Best we've seen yet, hands down.

I was tempted to include Batman Returns. I'm not at all interested in pleas for The Dark Knight Returns, and I don't care that it scores an 8.5 on IMDb. No clemency for this one. Veto power engaged. Save your breath Bullitt. That film was awful. I won't even add it to make it a clean 20.

Not sure if I'm forgetting anything else or missing anything. The Batman and X-Man universes have unquestionably been the most fruitful in the genre that has sort of been to my generation what the Western was to my grandparents.
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Add Dredd and Man of Steel to that list, I still love Batman Returns as well
 
Anung Un Rama said:
To folks suggesting Sabretooth would have been better than X-24: I don't think Sabretooth was iconic enough in the movies to warrant that showdown. If he was cast correctly in the first X-men movie, enough to be cast in X-Men Origins *wretch then it could have been an AMAZING reveal, but I don't think it would work as well as you may think. Even tho Schreiber was cool at playing Sabretooth, it wasn't that good.

For the same reason, I don't think a guy like Cyber would have worked, either. It would have required too much exposition to make sense to the casual viewer and X-24 made sense withing the context of the story AND was also symbolic.

For the record; I was one of those guys who kind of shrugged when x-24 was revealed, but I like it more now.
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Then they could have changed 10-15 of drag ass minutes (which there weren't a lot of but they were there) into an explanation/montage for Albert.

Albert was even created by Donald Pierce. I mean damn, it's right there. The cloning shit didn't work so Transigen/Reavers went full on android.

Maybe X24 was just a fail ass version of Albert, similar to "Deadpool" in Wolverine Origins.

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Robots are TERMINATOR territory, especially when you can't slow down to explain the significance. You can introduce the nature of the simulacrum any way you want as early as you want, but how much do you want to sacrifice from the main character, narrative, and tone? Sparing us from X-24's backstory gives way to easily recognizing X-24 as Evil-reen, an extension of Wolverine, his thematic/symbolic opposite. Adding "robot" doesn't do much without altering the story and not necessarily for the better.

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Which scene in the Hulk are you referring to as being your favorite? It's been forever since I've seen that movie.

Madmick said:
Yeah, here's my list of the 19 Superhero Comic Book movies that have been made that I felt were a class above:

DC
  • Batman (1989)
  • Batman Begins
  • The Dark Knight

  • Watchmen

  • Superman (1978)

Marvel
  • X-Men 2
  • X-Men: First Class
  • X-Men: Days of Future Past
  • Deadpool
  • Logan

  • Spider-Man 2

  • The Avengers

  • Guardians of the Galaxy

  • Captain America: Winter Soldier
  • Captain America: Civil War

  • Iron Man

  • The Hulk (2003)*

Dark Horse
  • Hellboy 2: The Golden Army

Icon
  • Kick-Ass


*my only controversial pick, really, but IMO this is the most misunderstood and underappreciated movie made in the genre (horrible 5.7 on IMDb), and contains my favorite single moment in all of comic book film history. Yes, the ending definitely sucked. I forgive that.


Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the original Iron Man or Days of Future Past, and I wouldn't include them on a more personal list, but I acknowledge I belong to a very slim minority in both these cases, so I feel like they belong here, and I can make peace with them. I can see there's quite a bit going on in the latter, but I've never figured out what anybody thought was extraordinary about Iron Man apart from Robert Downey's performance. Overall the movie was really well told, but I found it kind of trite and shallow. Still, I enjoyed the hell out of it, so I can't really hate too much. Winter Soldier is definitely on the bubble, for me, but man, it deserves to be here for the action sequences alone. Freaking spectacular. Best we've seen yet, hands down.

I was tempted to include Batman Returns. I'm not at all interested in pleas for The Dark Knight Returns, and I don't care that it scores an 8.5 on IMDb. No clemency for this one. Veto power engaged. Save your breath Bullitt. That film was awful. I won't even add it to make it a clean 20.

Not sure if I'm forgetting anything else or missing anything. The Batman and X-Man universes have unquestionably been the most fruitful in the genre that has sort of been to my generation what the Western was to my grandparents.
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The Clinch said:
Then they could have changed 10-15 of drag ass minutes (which there weren't a lot of but they were there) into an explanation/montage for Albert.

Albert was even created by Donald Pierce. I mean damn, it's right there. The cloning shit didn't work so Transigen/Reavers went full on android.

Maybe X24 was just a fail ass version of Albert, similar to "Deadpool" in Wolverine Origins.

<Fedor23>
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Albert would have fit in nicely withe the Reavers storyline. Not only do we already have a Reaver army that could use a little background (although its pretty obvious what that story is), it would help explain why they're killing the wee mutants (that explanation being that mutant cloning/brainwashing was an obsolete practice and cyborgs were the mercenary de jour of the dystopian future of 2020). I was never a fan of the Reavers or Albert tbh. But, to @Three Gun Fish's point (pauses to look up wtf a simulacrum is), X-24, as redundant and unimaginative as he is, just fits.
 
I stand by my Joaquin casting for Hellboy, ironic as it may seem.
 
Sam was a perfect Ross ahd infinitely better than American Skarsgård
 
Phoenix has the look. Not sure how he's portray the full character. Doubt creeping in...
 
FyrFytr998 said:
Yeah, but they are set up for X-23 to be the New Wolverine, just as in the comics, and they can always bring back a new Old Man Logan from another dimension if they play their cards right.
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I didn't know that X-23 was a real MARVEL character. I stop reading Wolverine and the X-Men books in the Mid - 90's. Either way that would be a reinvention of the "Wolverine" character in my eyes, a passing of the torch anyway, but they pulled it off well if that is the case.

What I meant was look at Iron Man, Capt. America, and the other Avengers who will eventually have to die off. That is what I mean. Batman has had 5 actors in almost 9 films in 20 years. Now that technology has caught up to the MARVEL universe is this the fate of Wolverine - Iron Man . . . Reboot after reboot? I fear so.
 
Dragonlordxxxxx said:
Dinklage is not going to be happy with you...
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He works as Hellbaby. Wouldn't even have to alter his voice.

Don't chicken out on Phoenix. I'm trying to make it work. He's just too good for the prosthetics and I'm channeling too much GLADIATOR.
 
I'm sold on Phoenix. He could do it. It would have to be a dark HB movie.
 
It would have to be less Commodus and more Freddie Quell/ Inherent Vice dude, imo.
 
Phoenix excels at the in between, doubtful guy. Questionable convictions or fortitude. He does good at being tortured. Hellboy is too simple. He does his job and the only thing that bothers him is he isn't loved right away. He could play the role but I think he'd might be like Hillary Swank in PS I LOVE YOU. Too much gravitas for light fare. That's what's special about Ron Perlman.
 
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