Lifting weights really helps punching power?

[sambam]

ya'll overcomplicating the fuck out of this. its fucking high school math. force=mass x acceleration. if you get to big and strong it will raise your mass alot but your acceleration will suffer. vise versa if your skinny as shit but punch really fast your m will suffer. you need to peak both without hurting the other as much as possible. for a fighter you will get 99% out of lifting in the first two years of doing it. after that once or twice a week low reps high weight to maintain the strength. this is all assuming you on a skill level of floyd mayweather. which you are not. so stay in the skills gym 5/6 training days.

 

[Tummysticks]

when i didnt lift weights i weighed 135 now that i lift weights i weigh 205 im pretty sure i can punch harder now.

 

[TheeFaulted]

if you get to big and strong it will raise your mass alot but your acceleration will suffer.

How about no.

A stronger muscle is a faster muscle.

 

[Real_Mckenzie]

Just close this cluster fuck of a thread.

 

[ripskater]

How about no.

A stronger muscle is a faster muscle.

That's why Pudzianowski has such fast hands in the cage. He should probably run the 100m too. He'd beat all the best sprinters. Because he's stronger. And if he keeps getting stronger, he'll get even faster.

 

[TheeFaulted]

That's why Pudzianowski has such fast hands in the cage. He should probably run the 100m too. He'd beat all the best sprinters. Because he's stronger. And if he keeps getting stronger, he'll get even faster.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he spent his life practicing and training other sports where those qualities were not important.

 

[ripskater]

And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he spent his life practicing and training other sports where those qualities were not important.

But he got stronger. The strongest man in the world. So he should be able to move his body and limbs in lightning quick fashion.

 

[VoodooPlata]

But he got stronger. The strongest man in the world. So he should be able to move his body and limbs in lightning quick fashion.

He would, if he had the technique to do so. Are you not reading the messages in the thread?

 

[apizur**]

ya'll overcomplicating the fuck out of this. its fucking high school math. force=mass x acceleration.

I think you over simplified the shit out of it. You can have a ton of force in the first inch of your punch... but your punch hasn't accumulated enough velocity to score a knockout. KO power is a measurement of a collision... not arbitrary force. A object that is DEcelerating can knock you out... like a stone being thrown. Your ability to accelerate your punch is a must... but mass doesn't come into play until the collision occurs. But you're right... it is very basic physics... complicated by the human x factor. And a lot of people plugging in the wrong formulas.

 

[aries]

Mike Tyson had power. He was a fucking muscle horse. We was NOT a weak skinny bitch with good technique. Wether he lifted weights is completely irrelevant. He was probably born bigger, stronger and faster than 99.9% of people.. sadly. The fact remains, the man was strong as hell. He generated massive amounts of force very, very quickly... and his legacy proves this.

And Thomas Hearns p4p hit harder and he was a weak skinny bitch, not that I'd dare say that in his vicinity. I pretty sure I could bench and squat a lot more than Thomas Hearns in his hey day but I doubt I could punch even half as powerfully. So what does he have that I don't? Probably a big speed advantage and a hell of a lot of better technique.

The hardest puncher p4p of all time was Julian Jackson who was more muscled than Hearns but not nearly as stocky as Tyson by any measure, yet he could put people to sleep just by touching them. I doubt he was prodigiously strong either compared to your average guy off the street for his size.

 

[bowlie]

For anyone that hasn't lifted before the best way to become more explosive/powerful is to simply increase your base level of strength. At some point that isn't enough and you need to focus on the ability to produce force (i.e. apply your strength) faster. For striking I think you get to a point where strength training is less useful faster because the objects you are moving (your hands and legs/feet) are fairly light.

And before anyone chimes in, the most important thing is technique.

Is this still true given that the faster a movement is the less muscle you can recruit?

 

[wildman1717]

Puncher are born and not made. You may prove your punch slightly, but if you don't have the gift you will never hit like Foreman, or Tyson or any big puncher for that matter.

Teddy Atlas said the same thing and he should know.

 

[thugpoet]

As fighters why should we limit how we train? If our goal is to be the best we can be, then why not include weight lifting, plyos or what ever else that has been proven to be effective

 

[apizur**]

Because not all forms of training lend themselves to all styles.

 

[Fighting fungus]

Jumping, running and punching power are all gifts. We could jump every day of our lives and we will never have the vertical of Michael Jordan!

 

[TheeFaulted]

Jumping, running and punching power are all gifts. We could jump every day of our lives and we will never have the vertical of Michael Jordan!

So you might as well be a defeatist and never train those abilities and be a poor athlete rather than an average one.

 

[aus101]

I doubt he was prodigiously strong either compared to your average guy off the street for his size.

Jackson is clearly much faster and athletic than the average 5'11 guy with his bf and muscle. He has insane power for a lean 160ish, I'm sure his strength was quite prodigious compared to the average guy his size too

 

[Laban]

Most high level athletes (non strength sports) would be high level athletes with or without strength training.

I don't believe that at all. How many guys would be in the NFL these days without strength training? Probably just the kickers and I am pretty sure just about all of them lift weights as well.

 

[Laban]

That's why Pudzianowski has such fast hands in the cage. He should probably run the 100m too. He'd beat all the best sprinters. Because he's stronger. And if he keeps getting stronger, he'll get even faster.

In case you haven't noticed, many Olympic sprinters look almost like bodybuilders.
These are genetically fast people that all lift weights to make themselves even faster.

 

[DrBdan]

Is this still true given that the faster a movement is the less muscle you can recruit?

I believe so, yes. I think the reason is because even though you can't recruit as much muscle the muscle that does get recruited creates more force. Eventually there is a point where being stronger doesn't help and then you can work on increasing rate of force development.