Lifting weights really helps punching power?

[ripskater]

I don't think anyone is saying "Lifting weights= Big punching power", obviously it needs to be combined with not only the skill and technical aspect of boxing/punching but also training your body to, as you said, relax and explode, which I believe is a part of learning any combat sport. For me personally, when I started boxing I was a fairly strong person, over double bodyweight back squat, but when it came to punching power I was weak as shit. Fast forward a few months and I was known for being a pretty hard hitting guy.

I'm not sure Bob. On page 2, I was mentioned as one of 3 "terrorists" for my statement about explosive exercises being more relevant to punching power. So I don't know.
I believe the heavy slow barbell lifts help punching early on in training. After an initial base of strength that comes quickly, I think there are better things you could be doing.
There eventually is a tradeoff with building mass and building relaxed, explosive quickness and speed. While football players are great explosive athletes, the don't run as fast as skinnier track athletes or have the agility, quickness or jump as high as basketball players.
Boxers also have weight to make. They don't want their powerlifting routine to make it harder to stay in their desired weight class. They may hit slightly harder, but now they are fighting guys with a frame/reach in the next weight class.

 

[...El Ray]

The point's been agreed upon. Lifting weights is beneficial to the base strength that creates powerful punches, especially in combination with technical training.

methinks: /thread.

It should be noted that lifting (heavy) weights is not necessary (clearly, it's optimal) to produce powerful punches though. I've seen quite a few uncoordinated, strong people, and a lot of fast, technical guys who were relatively weak but hit hard. Technique + speed = (punching) power.

 

[Fighting fungus]

Puncher are born and not made. You may prove your punch slightly, but if you don't have the gift you will never hit like Foreman, or Tyson or any big puncher for that matter.

 

[Fighting fungus]

Think of boxing history and name me one fighter who couldn't crack early in his career and all of a sudden is knocking out every one? Malignanni could do any weight lifting program he wants and he will never be a heavy puncher.

 

[Gfreak]

Think of boxing history and name me one fighter who couldn't crack early in his career and all of a sudden is knocking out every one? Malignanni could do any weight lifting program he wants and he will never be a heavy puncher.

Overeem? He didn't have too many knockouts from what I remember before he bulked up. Then he had quite a few (K1 and mma)

 

[TheeFaulted]

No one is reccomending lifting "slow", so you can take your strawman elsewhere ripskater. Have you ever seen a snatch performed?

 

[Pearse Shields]

I'm out.

 

[ripskater]

No one is reccomending lifting "slow", so you can take your strawman elsewhere ripskater. Have you ever seen a snatch performed?

That's why I said do explosive exercises on page 1. The snatch is one of them that fits the category of explosive.
That post recommending explosive exercises was pointed to by a few as being faulty. So therefore they must be in favor of slower, heavier movement to develop punching power.

 

[thugpoet]

Most high level athletes (non strength sports) would be high level athletes with or without strength training.

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[belph]

false

Riiiiiight.

 

[TheeFaulted]

Powerlifts don't have to exclusively be performed slowly. In fact, we train to move them as quickly as possible. Are you thinking of body building?

 

[ripskater]

Powerlifts don't have to exclusively be performed slowly. In fact, we train to move them as quickly as possible. Are you thinking of body building?

What is fast for a powerlifter is still way too slow for a boxer.

 

[Oblivian]

What is fast for a powerlifter is still way too slow for a boxer.

Maybe at max effort. If you ever watch the guys from Pro Gym warmup on deadlifts, you'll see some insanely fast pulls.

 

[ripskater]

Maybe at max effort. If you ever watch the guys from Pro Gym warmup on deadlifts, you'll see some insanely fast pulls.

Someone showed me a vid on here once of one. For punching power, I'm still in favor of exercises that generate the explosiveness like oly lifts or plyos. It still looked too slow. I don't remember if it was the guys you mentioned that were in the video.

 

[Oblivian]

Someone showed me a vid on here once of one. For punching power, I'm still in favor of exercises that generate the explosiveness like oly lifts or plyos. It still looked too slow. I don't remember if it was the guys you mentioned that were in the video.

Honestly, I think just establishing a solid strength base is enough with boxing. I really view strength as low on the totem pole when talking about boxing. If I were to take up boxing today, I'd probably only lift once a week.

In regards to speed or dynamic lifting, the stronger you get, the faster you'll get with previous weight. If someone maxes on squats at 405 lbs and 2 years ago they were only at something like 345 lbs, they are going to be moving something like 315 lbs a hell of a lot faster than they previously could. Gaining strength comes along with gaining speed under loads.

 

[Fighting Sprite]

In regards to speed or dynamic lifting, the stronger you get, the faster you'll get with previous weight. If someone maxes on squats at 405 lbs and 2 years ago they were only at something like 345 lbs, they are going to be moving something like 315 lbs a hell of a lot faster than they previously could. Gaining strength comes along with gaining speed under loads.

I think this could be extended to higher weights as well. From what I see, an 800 pound squatter will generally squat 90% of their squat much quicker than a 400 pound squatter would squat his 90%.

 

[apizur**]

I'm not sure Bob. On page 2, I was mentioned as one of 3 "terrorists" for my statement about explosive exercises being more relevant to punching power. So I don't know.
I believe the heavy slow barbell lifts help punching early on in training. After an initial base of strength that comes quickly, I think there are better things you could be doing.
There eventually is a tradeoff with building mass and building relaxed, explosive quickness and speed. While football players are great explosive athletes, the don't run as fast as skinnier track athletes or have the agility, quickness or jump as high as basketball players.
Boxers also have weight to make. They don't want their powerlifting routine to make it harder to stay in their desired weight class. They may hit slightly harder, but now they are fighting guys with a frame/reach in the next weight class.

I think those are poor examples. I've never seen the need for the raw upper body strength and the benefit of being 300 pounds in either track or basketball.
Also, I think it's been discussed a few times that you can make weight and strength lift. Like as in a few times since yesterday.

false

Your whole life is, if you believe that.

 

[ripskater]

I think those are poor examples. I've never seen the need for the raw upper body strength and the benefit of being 300 pounds in either track or basketball.
Also, I think it's been discussed a few times that you can make weight and strength lift. Like as in a few times since yesterday.

Can you elaborate on what you disagree with? I don't think I'm really understanding your view.

 

[thugpoet]

I think those are poor examples. I've never seen the need for the raw upper body strength and the benefit of being 300 pounds in either track or basketball.
Also, I think it's been discussed a few times that you can make weight and strength lift. Like as in a few times since yesterday.



Your whole life is, if you believe that.

ouch my feelings lol

You prob have only played basketball at a rec level so you dont know what you are talking about.

Strength training is a staple in sprint training no sprinter trains with out strength training.

Basketball guys like Kobe, lebron Melo, etc all lift weights strength goes a long way on a basketball court my friend - try banging body's with shaq for 48 mins

 

[ripskater]

ouch my feelings lol

You prob have only played basketball at a rec level so you dont know what you are talking about.

Strength training is a staple in sprint training no sprinter trains with out strength training.

Basketball guys like Kobe, lebron Melo, etc all lift weights strength goes a long way on a basketball court my friend - try banging body's with shaq for 48 mins

And some sprinters (I've heard) drastically taper back that strength training during season. Probably because it has an effect of slowing them down in season.