Lets talk chimpanzees vs humans

[rj144]

They are strong and like all Apes they have very strong grip. But they are not so intelligent like other Apes and I doubt they are as strong as some make out. Also Chimps would probably be shy and confused if a MMA fighter started attacking it, Yes in packs Chimps can be deadly, but on their own? they are unsure.

But at the end of the day a adult Chimp and a adult male Human would get ripped to shreds by a Gorilla, at the same time!.

I remember ages ago watching a documentary about Mountain Gorilla's in Congo, and one of the adult male Gorillas saw the camera and it didn't really like it and it got in a mood, and it swiped out against a huge large rock/boulder and moved it several feet. Anyways a few days later they wanted to weigh the rock/boulder and they estimated it to be 5,300 Ibs. Crazy to think that it can move 5,300 Ibs with one large swipe.

Single chimps attack people all the time.

 

[ClubFoot]

Oh, we (apes, monkeys) are all prey. And our brain/skull is similar to theirs. I suspect their's are thicker, the center of gravity and pivot point can be in different places.

I know punching a pitbull on the head, once it's locked its bite is pointless.

Everyone knows you stick your finger up a pits butt once it locked.

 

[ClubFoot]

You're comparing Stipe Miocic to a middle aged, terrified woman now?

So if Stipe stomps a baby gorilla does that mean he would be able to do the same to a Silverback?

I'm afraid so. Miocic's face is still flesh like ours.

A game chimp will rip through skin tissue like a knife through butter.

 

[NotSoSure]

Now you're just in denial because you don't want your image of chimps to be proven wrong. Anybody including experts would look at that tape and see a Chimp going 100% in trying to overpower and man handle that man, and it was a pathetic display at best considering that average human wasn't fighting back, on the contrary he did everything he could(not literally) to make the Chimp look impressive and it still failed. That video, completely debunks all the herculean myths involvings chimpanzees.

Put a lethal human being in there instead and that chimp gets destroyed. Thrown around by a bigger, stronger more skilled creature, smashed in the head at will, you name it.

X times stronger than humans my hairy ape ass.



In other words human beings are the superior species. Yes indeed, "it's not fair cause chimps aren't evolved for this". What does that tell you.

And yet the general (mis)conception is that chimps will wreck humans in ANY form of weight lifting and strength display.

Also go ahead and change the drill. I already admitted that chimps would win in body weight feats that involve things like pulling themselves up and what not. It is a very, very limited form of strength that they would thrive in, you know why right? Because they have short, weak legs and core unlike humans.

Because they are so limited, it is completely unfair to say that chimps are stronger than our strongest humans in general.



Do you have evidence to support this please? I'd like to see proof of chimps having skulls that aren't prone to blunt force trauma causing KO's.




I never once mentioned Gorilla's. That's a whole other topic, and I think at times you're confusing Gorillas and Chimps.

Also, how is the chimp gonna beat the HW champ please? Teeth, yes, I know they have dangerous bites. But what else is it going to do? What else is the short, weak legged midget who is 3 to 4 feet tall and less than 200lbs going to do exactly, with its uncoordinated flailing arms?

The evidence of chimp-human accidents err on caution in handling the animals. They are capable of causing severe harm to the person. I think you have a deep misunderstanding of how animals attack, the type of speed and force they generate and so on. Chimpanzees are dangerous animals, and it is not even funny to entertain the idea of putting a "top human HW champ" against such an animal. This is the grown up conclusion of this conversation.

There is a deep misunderstanding of biology surrounding the idea of "species superiority". Species adapt and survive to environments: evolution is about adaptability. If you use that odd "superiority" metric, it becomes a subjetive measure with which you can arrive at meaningless conclusions such as "unicellular life is superior to multicellular". There is no "superiority" parameter in biology: not because science is PC, but because it makes no sense.

I do not need to "prove" that the skull of an ape is different: it simply is. The details you can search on your own - frankly, I've done more than enough by simply raising the question. There is a vast literature on the anatomy of primate skulls, but I doubt a serious scientist asked "how well could it take a punch?". I raised the question of whether the strikes that are effective to neutralize a human, would be effective against other primates. I don't know, nobody knows or will ever know. I'm sure you do know...

You can believe whatever you want. I do not "believe" nor am I convinced of any of this. As stated, these animals can be dangerous, including to the best combat athletes in the world. Breaking it down for you is pointless as you've already convinced yourself of something else. In the real world, the HW champions will approach these types of animals with extreme care, in the correct safe conditions.

Have fun.

 

[NotSoSure]

Everyone know you stick your finger up a pits butt once it locked.

It shattered my fibula. I will never forget that trembling pressure he applied.

Apparently the best move is to lift and pull its hind legs so it releases the bite.

 

[NotSoSure]

But we do have brains, so we are not prey which is not a debatable fact.

That being said, a chimp would maul just about every MMA fighter. Chimps go for the balls often. When whoever is in there gets their balls ripped off, game over.

I explained this issue to Jackie Blue in another comment. The point I made is that our common ancestor was a tree-dwelling opportunist and not some flesh-cutting monster.

Ever since the brain grew, the rest of the animal world got royally screwed....eventually it might screw ourselves as well.

 

[rj144]

It shattered my fibula. I will never forget that trembling pressure he applied.

Apparently the best move is to lift and pull its hind legs so it releases the bite.

I think the best move is to have someone shoot it in the head.

 

[NotSoSure]

I think the best move is to have someone shoot it in the head.

Haha, not when your leg is in its mouth!!!!

 

[ClubFoot]

It shattered my fibula. I will never forget that trembling pressure he applied.

Apparently the best move is to lift and pull its hind legs so it releases the bite.

Good luck lifting a game pit with a shattered fibula.

I prefer my finger bottom idea.

Might not work but it'll certainly lighten the mood when the cavelry arrive.

 

[NotSoSure]

Good luck lifting a game pit with a shattered fibula.

I prefer my finger bottom idea.

Might not work but it'll certainly lighten the mood when the cavelry arrive.

Oh well, it happened: I was alone, walking a poor Jack Russell. The pit wanted the dog, I lifted the jack russell above my head, so it took my leg. Instant misery, fell to the ground as it pulled and pulled. I punched him, I tried eye-gouging him and sticking my fingers into his nostrils: all useless. Stuck my hands into his mouth "to open it" - useless. Also, he moves outwards, so I don't think I'd even manage to reach to bottom.

A guy came over and kicked the poor dog like a football and he let go.

It's sad: they put the dog out. I wish I could have taken him for myself or something.

 

[Readybodisready]

The evidence of chimp-human accidents err on caution in handling the animals. They are capable of causing severe harm to the person. I think you have a deep misunderstanding of how animals attack, the type of speed and force they generate and so on. Chimpanzees are dangerous animals, and it is not even funny to entertain the idea of putting a "top human HW champ" against such an animal. This is the grown up conclusion of this conversation.

This is why I said we seem to agree, I don't disagree with these particular statements. yet you still take umbrage when I say a HW fighter would beat a chimp in any type of physical altercation, or that our strongest human would outperform a chimp in 99% of different strength based tests.

You also use a cop-out by taking things too literally instead of the hypothetical conversation it's supposed to be. Nobody wants to see humans and chimps pitted in a fight to the death, and this is probably never going to happen. I am simply taking on all the herculean myths and claims that are often made about these animals compared to humans.

If you can only visualize this hypothetical too realistically then why bother joining in here. No offense, but how about you go hug a tree instead? Jk, but really.

There is a deep misunderstanding of biology surrounding the idea of "species superiority". Species adapt and survive to environments: evolution is about adaptability. If you use that odd "superiority" metric, it becomes a subjetive measure with which you can arrive at meaningless conclusions such as "unicellular life is superior to multicellular". There is no "superiority" parameter in biology: not because science is PC, but because it makes no sense.

I'm only using the same metric that the "yo a chimp is 16 times stronger than a human athlete" crowd uses. I take it you take the same umbrage with them.

I do not need to "prove" that the skull of an ape is different: it simply is. The details you can search on your own - frankly, I've done more than enough by simply raising the question. There is a vast literature on the anatomy of primate skulls, but I doubt a serious scientist asked "how well could it take a punch?". I raised the question of whether the strikes that are effective to neutralize a human, would be effective against other primates. I don't know, nobody knows or will ever know. I'm sure you do know...

Excuse me sir, but if you're gonna make the statement that the skull of an ape is immune to human strikes then you need to present the scientific evidence that supports it. You use science so much, don't you know that? Saying "it simply is true" or "look it up" doesn't work in the science community.

I actually would take your word for it if you said this about Gorilla's, but again we're talking chimps here. I've seen no proof about their durability. Are they immune to head strikes and chokes? Lets see it.

In the real world, the HW champions will approach these types of animals with extreme care, in the correct safe conditions.

You've yet to say what you think would be the outcome of this. I will read it if you're ready to stop dancing around your conclusion please.

 

[Readybodisready]

I'm afraid so. Miocic's face is still flesh like ours.

A game chimp will rip through skin tissue like a knife through butter.

You're still comparing Miocic to a terrified weak middle aged woman. His face isn't gonna be there for the chimp to gnaw at at will.

Also you're implying that the chimp did that damage with one bite, do you have proof of this please? They don't have a Hyenas destructive teeth shape and bite force. And again, the chimp will need to deal with a much bigger, stronger, coordinated more skilled creature who is man handling and pummeling the shit out of it.

 

[ClubFoot]

Oh well, it happened: I was alone, walking a poor Jack Russell. The pit wanted the dog, I lifted the jack russell above my head, so it took my leg. Instant misery, fell to the ground as it pulled and pulled. I punched him, I tried eye-gouging him and sticking my fingers into his nostrils: all useless. Stuck my hands into his mouth "to open it" - useless. Also, he moves outwards, so I don't think I'd even manage to reach to bottom.

A guy came over and kicked the poor dog like a football and he let go.

It's sad: they put the dog out. I wish I could have taken him for myself or something.

Taken the dog home to rip its balls off and skin it alive I hope.

If a dog bit and broke my bones I'd want that thing put down immediately.

What if it was a child's face next time?

 

[NotSoSure]

This is why I said we seem to agree, I don't disagree with these particular statements. yet you still take umbrage when I say a HW fighter would beat a chimp in any type of physical altercation, or that our strongest human would outperform a chimp in 99% of different strength based tests.

You also use a cop-out by taking things too literally instead of the hypothetical conversation it's supposed to be. Nobody wants to see humans and chimps pitted in a fight to the death, and this is probably never going to happen. I am simply taking on all the herculean myths and claims that are often made about these animals compared to humans.

If you can only visualize this hypothetical too realistically then why bother joining in here. No offense, but how about you go hug a tree instead? Jk, but really.



I'm only using the same metric that the "yo a chimp is 16 times stronger than a human athlete" crowd uses. I take it you take the same umbrage with them.



Excuse me sir, but if you're gonna make the statement that the skull of an ape is immune to human strikes then you need to present the scientific evidence that supports it. You use science so much, don't you know that? Saying "it simply is true" or "look it up" doesn't work in the science community.

I actually would take your word for it if you said this about Gorilla's, but again we're talking chimps here. I've seen no proof about their durability. Are they immune to head strikes and chokes? Lets see it.



You've yet to say what you think would be the outcome of this. I will read it if you're ready to stop dancing around your conclusion.

I did not make a statement that the skull "is immune to human strikes". I raised the question of whether our strikes are effective at all, given the differences. It's a legitimate question, and nope, I will not spend my time in the infinite primate skull literature to dig out something that has never been studied: "how well can it take a punch?".

You want me to entertain the hypothetical? What are the "boundaries" of the hypothetical? Will the chimp "fight"? Because the boundaries are subjective and dictated by yourself, it's impossible to play that game. I already said what I think: that it's dangerous to the human fighter. Your HW champ with a full grown male chimp risks deep lacerations, loss of fingers and genitals and so on. It's not worth it.

 

[NotSoSure]

Taken the dog home to rip its balls off and skin it alive I hope.

If a dog bit and broke my bones I'd want that thing put down immediately.

What if it was a child's face next time?

Nah....I'd rescue him. And keep it the hell away from children!

But they put him out in the same week.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Single chimps attack people all the time.

I think you didn't understand what I meant. I was referring to the MMA fighter vs Chimp.. if a MMA fighter started fighting a single chimp , what would happen. I would suspect the Chimp would get confused and would be unsure and run away. If they were in a pack though they would all rip the fighter to shreds I'm sure. The chimp attacks.. its just chimps go wild and people screaming and running away, but what if someone was fighting it on purpose and not running or screaming. Because I seen some documentary where a guy was going near a adult male Lion and standing tall and big and not back away.. and the Lion was very unsure, it didn't know what to do, it just kept staring and looked unsure.

 

[Loiosh]

@Zookeeper Gabe

Can you put an end to this silly argument?

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

This is a regularly recurring thread. There is no shortage of morons.

Yes, it is basically the new "Game Pit Vs ______" thread(s).

 

[Dark One]

Chimp supporter here. Chimps beat humans all day every day ainec

 

[IloveTHIS]

This is my kind of thread.

I've been maintaining for years that chimps are VASTLY overrated. I challenge any of you to look me in the face and tell me that in a fight to the death between PRIME UBEREEM and your average chimp, that the chimp would win...one full force kick to the chimps lower torso/legs and it will try to run for safety..if it even can after that.