Crime Las Vegas Mass Shooting

[Oeshon]

How do the numbers of mass-shootings in Mexico compare to America? Do you even know? And why would you even think to compare America to war-ravaged nations in Africa? Does that make the problem seem not-so-bad to you?

Here is your quote just so it is clear

"Mass shootings really only exist in the USA as of now. They've happened in ones and twos in other places, but nothing like the sheer quantity of them in America."

There was 20,000+ homicides in Mexico last year, a lot coming from mass shootings. 14 shot dead in one shooting last week as an example - http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mexico-chihuahua-gun-violence-1.4309504

Does America have more mass shootings than most countries? Sure. But that isn't what you initially said.

 

[Oeshon]

Grow a set of balls and say what you really mean.

The majority of gun deaths in the US are by handguns and committed by black people who happen to vote Democrat.

I believe the term is "youths" lol

 

[floivanus]

From the article:
"It wasn’t the hundreds of muzzle flashes that exploded from the shooter’s rifles that gave away his position.

Nor was it the panicked 911 calls from people reporting the rhythmic thundering of gunfire.

It was the smoke.

As the gunman, identified as Stephen Paddock, fired round after round, gun smoke filled his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, said Randy Sutton, a retired lieutenant with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, citing police sources.

The SWAT team used the alarm triggered by the smoke to zero in on Paddock’s position in about 20 minutes — not nearly enough time for a floor-by-floor search of the hotel, which has 3,309 rooms and a 135,000-square-foot casino.

After they located his room, the SWAT team members used explosives to get inside, the sheriff’s office said. Paddock, 64, killed himself before the officers entered, according to Las Vegas Sheriff Joe Lombardo."

Want to know something 'great'? If he used a suppressor like Hillary opined, gas blowback from overpressure would've been likely to set the alarm off faster.

Also heard an argument that a slightly lower report would have cut down on echoing that obscured the ability to pinpoint the shooters location

 

[My Spot]

I believe the term is "youths" lol

"Diverse youths."

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Here is your quote just so it is clear

"Mass shootings really only exist in the USA as of now. They've happened in ones and twos in other places, but nothing like the sheer quantity of them in America."

Do you realize that the quote you provided is the exact same quote I just provided?

I didn't realize I was dealing with a complete idiot, or I would have written, "The mass shooting phenomenon really only exists in the USA as of now. They've happened in ones and twos in other places, but nothing like the sheer quantity of them in America."

I thought you would do this thing called reading and use the second sentence to inform the context of the first setnence.

There was 20,000+ homicides in Mexico last year, a lot coming from mass shootings.

"A lot" isn't a number. Do you know how many? Do you have the source for that "most gun homicides by democrats" thing? Do you deal in facts at any point in your bullshit?

14 shot dead in one shooting last week as an example - http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mexico-chihuahua-gun-violence-1.4309504

Does America have more mass shootings than most countries? Sure. But that isn't what you initially said.

That's exactly what I originally said.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I thought more info would have come out by now.
Media over here is still saying he had one machine gun, which I'm pretty sure isnt true. I usually discount the reporting of an AK-47 based on typical media accuracy.
Other than that the lists I've seen were all AR-15 style semi-autos (he had multiples of the same models apparently, Daniel Defense DDM4 and FN FN-15s). Although there's mention of .308 and a couple of unspecified Sig Sauer rifles mentioned as well (716?). They are all mentioning the bump fire stocks though now.
Still nothing on motive, although the investigators are saying there's no ties to terrorism.

Great post. Bumpfire stocks being used aside, he could have still had a binary trigger and that could give the impression of FA. It operates on the third position so moving the selector would have meant full auto up until last year when the triggers hit the market. Probably not, but just sayin'. I'm hoping like Hell the stock takes all the heat.

he had cameras set up viewing the hallways

Anybody got pics of this. I'm curious to how this was actually set up.

So you think people have about equal chance of being stopped at a national border crossing as they do on any other drive.

Well you sir are either an idiot or dishonest.
Which is it?

lol. Neither. Equal is irrelevant. Overall effectiveness is. Both fail. As evidenced by the drug war.

I acknowledge that most gun deaths are committed by hand guns. But a large portion of those deaths are suicides.

And I'm willing to live with that.

I can't live with the fact that any boob in the US can buy a semi auto rifle and this bump stock shit and kill 60 people and injured 500+ in 10 minutes.

I'm sure they could find another way to do it but no reason to make it easy for them.

And how do you propose we solve Chicago? Just ignore guns all together how would you solve it?

Here's the deal dude. You're operating on this principle that faster is better. And that sounds great. What also sounds great is inaccuracy. Spreading up the rate of fire hampers accuracy. Dude had targets at his disposal and couldn't get one a minute.

I have to agree with @Ruprecht that a fetish appeal might be in play oftentimes. Part of the thrill is dumping rounds as fast as possible. Take that away and all there is to focus on is body count.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Want to know something 'great'? If he used a suppressor like Hillary opined, gas blowback from overpressure would've been likely to set the alarm off faster.

Also heard an argument that a slightly lower report would have cut down on echoing that obscured the ability to pinpoint the shooters location

That is interesting.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

I didn’t say any of that, I said the government isn't honest with us when it come to facts

That really isn't what you said.

 

[floivanus]

That is interesting.

With AR style rifles running suppressed you have to wear eye protection to keep from damaging your eyes when gas hits you in the face every time you pull the trigger.

It's a good argument

 

[Oeshon]

Do you realize that the quote you provided is the exact same quote I just provided?

I didn't realize I was dealing with a complete idiot, or I would have written, "The mass shooting phenomenon really only exists in the USA as of now. They've happened in ones and twos in other places, but nothing like the sheer quantity of them in America."

I thought you would do this thing called reading and use the second sentence to inform the context of the first setnence.



"A lot" isn't a number. Do you know how many? Do you have the source for that "most gun homicides by democrats" thing? Do you deal in facts at any point in your bullshit?

More than "1 or 2'", which is your argument, which is wrong.

If you said "the US has a disproportionately high number of mass shootings compared to other countries" I would agree with you. But you didn't. You said they essentially only exist in the US, which just isn't true. I won't resort to calling you an idiot.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Great post. Bumpfire stocks being used aside, he could have still had a binary trigger and that could give the impression of FA. It operates on the third position so moving the selector would have meant full auto up until last year when the triggers hit the market. Probably not, but just sayin'. I'm hoping like Hell the stock takes all the heat.




Anybody got pics of this. I'm curious to how this was actually set up.




lol. Neither. Equal is irrelevant. Overall effectiveness is. Both fail. As evidenced by the drug war.




Here's the deal dude. You're operating on this principle that faster is better. And that sounds great. What also sounds great is inaccuracy. Spreading up the rate of fire hampers accuracy. Dude had targets at his disposal and couldn't get one a minute.

I have to agree with @Ruprecht that a fetish appeal might be in play oftentimes. Part of the thrill is dumping rounds as fast as possible. Take that away and all there is to focus on is body count.

With an inaccurate yet automatic weapon this guy killed 58 people and injured another 500+...

He put to shame the clock tower yup and the DC sniper.

You can say it's inaccurate but look at the fucking damage.

And he just handed a playbook to psycho who's sympathetic to any cause he seems fit where civilians need to die. Not only civilians but also first responders have to deal with this bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

More than "1 or 2'", which is your argument, which is wrong.

Can you put up some numbers for countries that have mass shootings in more than ones and twos?

If you said "the US has a disproportionately high number of mass shootings compared to other countries" I would agree with you. But you didn't. You said they essentially only exist in the US, which just isn't true.

But then you would be wrong. You see, when I said mass shootings were essentially American because they happen in ones and twos in other countries, you had to go fishing for war-torn, third world examples (which you never did provide the numbers for, btw, becasuse you are probably still somehow wrong). So if you said that "the US has a disproportionately high number of mass shootings compared to other countries" you would then be wrong because there are all kinds of war-torn hellholes with mass shootings.

I won't resort to calling you an idiot.

I would never call you an idiot. But your thoughts are the thoughts idiots think and you write things idiots write.

Also, have you got a source for that previous bullshit?

 

[9mm]

Now they're saying he worked for the post office, the IRS, and the Defense Contract Audit Agency... WTF!?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las-vegas-guns-20171003-story.html

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Look man. No offense here, but you're not American and I generally have zero interest in debating domestic policy with foreigners. You said you didn't understand some stuff about America and guns. I offered you perspective and you chose to argue it away. Presumably because your problem isn't lack of understanding, it's lack of agreement. Fine if you don't like it.

I'll leave it at this. Nobody needs to have a gun just as nobody needs to express an opinion. For your sake I hope there's not a time where you have to justify the expression of particular thoughts.

Well I do live in a country where freedom of expression isn't protected by our constitution by the way. But I think comparing the right to have a gun to the right to have an opinion is wrong. What about if your neighbour really like atom bombs, should he be free to own them and let them off with his mates while having beers?

No offence taken by the way, interested in your perspective. As an outsider of course I don't understand your country's gun culture, it's completely alien to me and to be honest it's a bit fucken scary. You do have a nice country though, I've been a few times but there are some obvious differences to our cultures that's for sure.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Oh, you're from Melbourne. Understandable why you don't understand. I grew up in Melbourne too and also had the same thoughts about guns.

The second amendment is so important as it protects the populace against a tyrannical government. I know the typical "hurr durr, you can't fight the government" and "relax crazy CT nut, everywhere else is fine without guns" kind of responses. We have been extremely lucky to live where and when we live. The slippery slope has long been coming though. Free speech really only exists in the USA as of now. There are people being thrown in jail for social media comments in countries like the UK and Germany, and countries being deliberately destabilized with mass immigration. Without the second amendment, you won't have the first amendment. There is already violent protests across the US to remove the 1A (the "hate speech isn't free speech" movement).

Also automatic weapons are mostly illegal already and he wasn't using an automatic weapon. He was using a semi-auto with a bump stock.

So it's possible that Melbourne and probably most of Australia really is as great a place to live as I think it is?

So (correct me if I'm wrong) Americans need guns to protect themselves from their own government? I hear they need them for "protection" but it doesn't really get defined who they need protection from. Also the "because I want to have a gun and it's a free country" argument which I'll never buy that, I'm afraid.

 

[MTT]

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

So it's possible that Melbourne and probably most of Australia really is as great a place to live as I think it is?

So (correct me if I'm wrong) Americans need guns to protect themselves from their own government? I hear they need them for "protection" but it doesn't really get defined who they need protection from. Also the "because I want to have a gun and it's a free country" argument which I'll never buy that, I'm afraid.

They need guns for protection.

From other people with guns.


But no... guns aren't the problem.


Apparently.

 

[chardog]

well, if him having 40 weapons isn't a clue to him being well off

no kids, and okish income, sure he's well off. His brother claiming he's rich..... not really. Even a few planes can range vastly on price. I know guys under 40 that have planes and are far from rich.

40 weapons accumulated over time isnt that much, consider other expensive hobbies li

With an inaccurate yet automatic weapon this guy killed 58 people and injured another 500+...

He put to shame the clock tower yup and the DC sniper.

You can say it's inaccurate but look at the fucking damage.

And he just handed a playbook to psycho who's sympathetic to any cause he seems fit where civilians need to die. Not only civilians but also first responders have to deal with this bullshit.

I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner, every time I Think of New Year's Eve on the strip, I worry about these things

 

[MacDuffle]

If the picture of one window shattered to devastating effect among dozens of intact floors with hundreds of intact windows isn't a metaphor for lone wolf attacks in the world, i don't know what is

 

[IDL]

I would say the sticking point between you and the law is there one doesn't often see "usually" used to define whether an act is a specific crime or not.

I was explaining the political concept and do not know the exact legal wording. Certainly it depends on the wording.