Crime Las Vegas Mass Shooting

[PolishHeadlock]

The majority of gun deaths in the US are by handguns and committed by democrats.

If you care about gun violence, why not address 90% of the issue, such as places like Chicago where it is common to have 20+ people shot in a weekend.

I absolutely agree with them in that gun violence should be strongly addressed in the US, I just don't agree with how they might suggest going about it (because they are uneducated and wrong).

I acknowledge that most gun deaths are committed by hand guns. But a large portion of those deaths are suicides.

And I'm willing to live with that.

I can't live with the fact that any boob in the US can buy a semi auto rifle and this bump stock shit and kill 60 people and injured 500+ in 10 minutes.

I'm sure they could find another way to do it but no reason to make it easy for them.

And how do you propose we solve Chicago? Just ignore guns all together how would you solve it?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I think the numbers make the point for him, despite not writing in a way that is above nitpicking.

fair enough.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

he had cameras set up viewing the hallways

I saw where the cart was located in proximity to the second entrance. He probably saw them coming and decided he'd end it himself.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

Damn, it could have been a whole lot worse if they didn't get to him at the time they did. Kudos to the police for identifying where the shooting came from and acting quickly.

I really do think they did an amazing job. They weren't exaggerating when they said they saved many more lives.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I saw where the cart was located in proximity to the second entrance. He probably saw them coming and decided he'd end it himself.

Thats the theory I heard.

 

[Ruprecht]

The fact that they are being so secretive with the motive makes me think he was radicalized like the Scalise shooter by CNN and the DNC to shoot/target Trump supporters and "nazis".

I doubt it, because they've specifically said otherwise. If they are holding back information, they don't usually do a flat out contradictory denial.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Damn, it could have been a whole lot worse if they didn't get to him at the time they did. Kudos to the police for identifying where the shooting came from and acting quickly.

They figured out where he was because the smoke from his guns set off his room's fire alarm.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-retired-officer-says/?utm_term=.cfff2dee2547

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I'm breaking my own etiquette here so I'm a hypocrite. I'll bear the cross.

I disagree entirely.

Of course. What's important is being able to articulate why at advancing depths. Let's see if you can do that in relation to what I just said about the flaws in your parallel reasoning, rather than simply repeating what's already been acknowledged.

Not all types of speech are protected, ...

And you weren't. Which means you'll likely be repeating your conclusion without addressing the reasoning deficiency I just pointed out.

...and not all types of guns or gun accessories need to be protected.

And you did. Honk if you know what brandishing means.

You already can't have fully automatic guns, or artillery units. Should those be legal because no particular type of firearm can be legally banned under the 2nd?

I recently sold two fully automatic guns. ATF-approved even. Can you get your facts straight before I continue to indulge you?

Spoiler: your Firearms Knowledge

 

[Phr3121]

Stephen Paddock and Charles Whitman share a lot in common. Whitman was the shooter in the 1966 University of Texas tower shooting. Whitman had a high IQ, he struggled with gambling and lost his scholarship in 1963. Before the attack, Whitman had sought professional help for 'overwhelming violent impulses', including fantasies about shooting people from the tower. An autopsy after his death revealed a small brain tumor. It may have contributed to his violent impulses.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

If diagnosed as mentally ill you can't pass a 4473 (background check) stop with that mentally ill crap. Just heard colbert do that crap

Yeah that cant be circumvented at all right? You guys are talking about how all these steps dont work now youre arguing the background check is effective?

First, you would have to be diagnosed with mental illness, and in a country where healthcare is expensive thats not likely going to happen. Quick google search suggests that even if a psychologist deems you ill, there is an adjudication process, meaning a court has to find you unfit as well. Also, a lot of states require you to be involuntarily committed before you can be disqualified.

So, yes, lots of mentally ill people who havent fulfilled all those conditions can still buy a gun at Wal-mart with their Cheetos and Nascar shirts.

 

[HomerThompson]

I'm breaking my own etiquette here so I'm a hypocrite. I'll bear the cross.



Of course. What's important is being able to articulate why at advancing depths. Let's see if you can do that in relation to what I just said about the flaws in your parallel reasoning, rather than simply repeating what's already been acknowledged.




And you weren't. Which means you'll likely be repeating your conclusion without addressing the reasoning deficiency I just pointed out.




And you did. Honk if you know what brandishing means.




I recently sold two fully automatic guns. ATF-approved even. Can you get your facts straight before I continue to indulge you?

Spoiler: your Firearms Knowledge

I don't agree with your logic. You restating it doesn't make it true. I know what brandishing means, but it's irrelevant here.

So you can have artillery units?

I know there are tax stamp exceptions for people who can pass additional screening(I disagree with this by the way), but generally you can't buy automatic weapons. Citizen access is restricted.

 

[DoomPatrol]

The majority of gun deaths in the US are by handguns and committed by democrats.

Grow a set of balls and say what you really mean.

The majority of gun deaths in the US are by handguns and committed by black people who happen to vote Democrat.

 

[floivanus]

Yeah that cant be circumvented at all right? You guys are talking about how all these steps dont work now youre arguing the background check is effective?

First, you would have to be diagnosed with mental illness, and in a country where healthcare is expensive thats not likely going to happen. Quick google search suggests that even if a psychologist deems you ill, there is an adjudication process, meaning a court has to find you unfit as well. Also, a lot of states require you to be involuntarily committed before you can be disqualified.

So, yes, lots of mentally ill people who havent fulfilled all those conditions can still buy a gun at Wal-mart with their Cheetos and Nascar shirts.

Getting adjudicated mentally ill, and/or comitted shoulx be something that has some sort of due process right? Would you like to have 'right-wingers' tossing every 'muslim' brown or whatever person in the looney bin just because?

 

[DoomPatrol]

They figured out where he was because the smoke from his guns set off his room's fire alarm.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-retired-officer-says/?utm_term=.cfff2dee2547

Well that and the fact that he was firing rifles on automatic in a hotel room. You could probably hear him firing in the hotel from several floors away.

 

[My Spot]

Yeah that cant be circumvented at all right? You guys are talking about how all these steps dont work now youre arguing the background check is effective?

First, you would have to be diagnosed with mental illness, and in a country where healthcare is expensive thats not likely going to happen. Quick google search suggests that even if a psychologist deems you ill, there is an adjudication process, meaning a court has to find you unfit as well. Also, a lot of states require you to be involuntarily committed before you can be disqualified.

So, yes, lots of mentally ill people who havent fulfilled all those conditions can still buy a gun at Wal-mart with their Cheetos and Nascar shirts.

Damn that pesky due process!

 

[second sight]

Why are the police not equipped to deal with the truth and who is? You?

I didn’t say any of that, I said the government isn't honest with us when it come to facts

 

[My Spot]

Getting adjudicated mentally ill, and/or comitted shoulx be something that has some sort of due process right? Would you like to have 'right-wingers' tossing every 'muslim' brown or whatever person in the looney bin just because?

Yeah, he didn't really think that one through (as usual).

 

[floivanus]

I acknowledge that most gun deaths are committed by hand guns. But a large portion of those deaths are suicides.

And I'm willing to live with that.

I can't live with the fact that any boob in the US can buy a semi auto rifle and this bump stock shit and kill 60 people and injured 500+ in 10 minutes.

I'm sure they could find another way to do it but no reason to make it easy for them.

And how do you propose we solve Chicago? Just ignore guns all together how would you solve it?

Any boob in the world can buy a semi auto with a certain type of charging handle (mini 14, AK) and use something they wear daily to create an illegal machine gun, according to the ATF, which carries 10 years in federal and $100,000 fine.

For chicago, easy; we have laws that state using a gun in the comission pf a felony is a mandatory 20 years in federal. POSSESSION by a felon is supposed to be 10 years in federal period. Start enforcing those hard nosed laws, don't release criminals early.

 

[My Spot]

Any boob in the world can buy a semi auto with a certain type of charging handle (mini 14, AK) and use something they wear daily to create an illegal machine gun, according to the ATF, which carries 10 years in federal and $100,000 fine.

For chicago, easy; we have laws that state using a gun in the comission pf a felony is a mandatory 20 years in federal. POSSESSION by a felon is supposed to be 10 years in federal period. Start enforcing those hard nosed laws, don't release criminals early.

But that's considered racist.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Well that and the fact that he was firing rifles on automatic in a hotel room. You could probably hear him firing in the hotel from several floors away.

From the article:
"It wasn’t the hundreds of muzzle flashes that exploded from the shooter’s rifles that gave away his position.

Nor was it the panicked 911 calls from people reporting the rhythmic thundering of gunfire.

It was the smoke.

As the gunman, identified as Stephen Paddock, fired round after round, gun smoke filled his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, said Randy Sutton, a retired lieutenant with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, citing police sources.

The SWAT team used the alarm triggered by the smoke to zero in on Paddock’s position in about 20 minutes — not nearly enough time for a floor-by-floor search of the hotel, which has 3,309 rooms and a 135,000-square-foot casino.

After they located his room, the SWAT team members used explosives to get inside, the sheriff’s office said. Paddock, 64, killed himself before the officers entered, according to Las Vegas Sheriff Joe Lombardo."