Crime Las Vegas Mass Shooting

[Deleted member 429137]

27 U.S. servicemen were killed during the battle in Fallujah. A total of 800 Iraqisdied in the battle as well, of which 572–616 were civilians and 184–228 insurgents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Fallujah

The First Battle of Mogadishu was even more lopsided.
We lost 9 men, we killed/ injured anywhere between 300 and 2000.

He's quite clearly talking about the Second Battle of Fallujah, but, even if he weren't, I don't understand what point you're making.

What was your point about the revolutionary war?

Oh, hang on, I just saw your other reply. I get what you're saying. He's not saying Vegas was bloodier, he's comparing the number of Americans were killed in one day in Vegas to the number killed in lengthy pitched battles between armies. As a statement of what one man can do with essentially over-the-counter guns.

 

[Rational Poster]

Apparently the fat guy who walks into Wal-mart and buys a shotgun with his Cheetos with an IQ of 70 and who is diagnosed as mentally ill is also in the militia as well.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

I think freedom is paramount above all. Just look at France with the bataclan attack that killed 137 people in 2015. They have some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. You also have attacks like in Nice in 2016 without guns still killing 86 people.

That doesn't mean that we can't make improvements to US governance to maintain both liberty and safety. I think one of the biggest issues for the future in regards to gun control will be 3d printing. It is going to be very difficult to prevent against that once the technology improves.

How do you feel about people in France pointing to the incredibly high numbers of mass shootings in America and saying they will never go down a path that leads to that horrible society? Do you think they have a point, in saying that they only want to have to worry about foreign terrorists?

 

[Satanical Eve]

Police cam footage from the attack. They did an excellent job of identifying the shooters location as fast as they did.

I wonder if he knew that police were closing in on him which is why he shot himself. I think he had a decent arsenal to stay where he was for awhile and keep on shooting at the people. I don't know exactly when they arrived at his room so I'm just speculating

 

[Oeshon]

How do you feel about people in France pointing to the incredibly high numbers of mass shootings in America and saying they will never go down a path that leads to that horrible society? Do you think they have a point, in saying that they only want to have to worry about foreign terrorists?

The majority of gun deaths in the US are by handguns and committed by democrats.

If you care about gun violence, why not address 90% of the issue, such as places like Chicago where it is common to have 20+ people shot in a weekend.

I absolutely agree with them in that gun violence should be strongly addressed in the US, I just don't agree with how they might suggest going about it (because they are uneducated and wrong).

 

[Deleted member 429137]

The bolded just isn't true though.

There have been several in Europe and they have very strict gun control, yet that didn't prevent the attacks. They have also improvised with other ways to kill like bombs and trucks (or the latest stabbing sprees). You can also look across the border at Mexico, which again has strict gun control laws.

No, it is true. There is no other first world nation in the world that in any way compares to the number of mass shootings Americans suffer, not to even mention plain old gun homicides. If you can provide stats for other countries that compete with these, I'd love to see them:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/one-mass-shooting-every-day-seven-facts-gun-violence-america/

 

[Deleted member 429137]

The majority of gun deaths in the US are by handguns and committed by democrats.

Source? I'd really like to see a source for that statistic.

If you care about gun violence, why not address 90% of the issue, such as places like Chicago where it is common to have 20+ people shot in a weekend.

This literally has nothing to do with what I asked.

I absolutely agree with them in that gun violence should be strongly addressed in the US, I just don't agree with how they might suggest going about it (because they are uneducated and wrong).

but at least this does.

 

[Ruprecht]

I thought more info would have come out by now.
Media over here is still saying he had one machine gun, which I'm pretty sure isnt true. I usually discount the reporting of an AK-47 based on typical media accuracy.
Other than that the lists I've seen were all AR-15 style semi-autos (he had multiples of the same models apparently, Daniel Defense DDM4 and FN FN-15s). Although there's mention of .308 and a couple of unspecified Sig Sauer rifles mentioned as well (716?). They are all mentioning the bump fire stocks though now.
Still nothing on motive, although the investigators are saying there's no ties to terrorism.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

He's quite clearly talking about the Second Battle of Fallujah, but, even if he weren't, I don't understand what point you're making.

What was your point about the revolutionary war?

Oh, hang on, I just saw your other reply. I get what you're saying. He's not saying Vegas was bloodier, he's comparing the number of Americans were killed in one day in Vegas to the number killed in lengthy pitched battles between armies. As a statement of what one man can do with essentially over-the-counter guns.

Quote from the link: "the number of deaths in Las Vegas is greater than many of the most famous battles of the Revolutionary War". He doesn't specify Americans, even though he only lists American casualties. He's either not expressing himself well, or he's being dishonest, and that takes away from any point he was trying to make.

 

[HIMBOB]

Ask @El Chapo

He would certainly agree with me.

I don't see how any honest person wouldn't.

 

[Oeshon]

No, it is true. There is no other first world nation in the world that in any way compares to the number of mass shootings Americans suffer, not to even mention plain old gun homicides. If you can provide stats for other countries that compete with these, I'd love to see them:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/one-mass-shooting-every-day-seven-facts-gun-violence-america/

You keep changing what you are saying.

First it is "mass shootings don't exist anywhere else"

My answer = Yes, they do, with evidence provided.

Now it is "No first world nation (whoops Mexico and Africa!) that compares in numbers to the US"

 

[TheFirstEMP]

I wonder if he knew that police were closing in on him which is why he shot himself. I think he had a decent arsenal to stay where he was for awhile and keep on shooting at the people. I don't know exactly when they arrived at his room so I'm just speculating

I believe he knew they were getting close. He had about 7 full mags stacked next to his rifle.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Quote from the link: "the number of deaths in Las Vegas is greater than many of the most famous battles of the Revolutionary War". He doesn't specify Americans, even though he only lists American casualties. He's either not expressing himself well, or he's being dishonest, and that takes away from any point he was trying to make.

I think the numbers make the point for him, despite not writing in a way that is above nitpicking.

 

[second sight]

I believe he knew they were getting close. He had about 7 full mags stacked next to his rifle.

he had cameras set up viewing the hallways

 

[Satanical Eve]

I believe he knew they were getting close. He had about 7 full mags stacked next to his rifle.

Damn, it could have been a whole lot worse if they didn't get to him at the time they did. Kudos to the police for identifying where the shooting came from and acting quickly.

 

[floivanus]

The majority of gun deaths in the US are by handguns and committed by democrats.

If you care about gun violence, why not address 90% of the issue, such as places like Chicago where it is common to have 20+ people shot in a weekend.

I absolutely agree with them in that gun violence should be strongly addressed in the US, I just don't agree with how they might suggest going about it (because they are uneducated and wrong).

They're going for the easy ban first, then they'll come for the handguns. Gavin newsom even said so on his facebook a while back in the comments. He's well... strange.

Not to mention majority of those guns were bought theu straw purchases or held by otherwise prohibited persons.

 

[HIMBOB]

That's not true. People are stopped and their vehicles searched all the time in this country.

Tell me how the US drug market isn't inundated with foreign product.

So you think people have about equal chance of being stopped at a national border crossing as they do on any other drive.

Well you sir are either an idiot or dishonest.
Which is it?

 

[Oeshon]

I thought more info would have come out by now.
Media over here is still saying he had one machine gun, which I'm pretty sure isnt true. I usually discount the reporting of an AK-47 based on typical media accuracy.
Other than that the lists I've seen were all AR-15 style semi-autos (he had multiples of the same models apparently, Daniel Defense DDM4 and FN FN-15s). Although there's mention of .308 and a couple of unspecified Sig Sauer rifles mentioned as well (716?). They are all mentioning the bump fire stocks though now.
Still nothing on motive, although the investigators are saying there's no ties to terrorism.

The fact that they are being so secretive with the motive makes me think he was radicalized like the Scalise shooter by CNN and the DNC to shoot/target Trump supporters and "nazis".

 

[Protectandserve]

Where do patrol officers carry automatic weapons? I heard of patrol cars having a shotgun or ar15 in the trunk, but never an automatic weapon

I dont know a single agency where this is the case. I was responding to the comment about cops on patrol needing them.

I know a few agencies who got old ass M16A1's from the 1033 program from the feds got full auto capable ones. My agency has a handful but they chill in the armory. No idea why we even have them. They don't get deployed.

A few SWAT departments issue full autos. But most the dudes rock, them on semi. I believe some of our SWAT guns are autos.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

You keep changing what you are saying.

First it is "mass shootings don't exist anywhere else"

That is not what I said. This is what I said:

"Mass shootings really only exist in the USA as of now. They've happened in ones and twos in other places, but nothing like the sheer quantity of them in America."

And this is true: they've happened in ones and twos in other places, but nothing like the sheer quantity they happen in America. No other country that isn't a war-torn third-world hellhole can even compare to what goes on in America. This is a purely American phenomenon.

My answer = Yes, they do, with evidence provided.

Now it is "No first world nation (whoops Mexico and Africa!) that compares in numbers to the US"

How do the numbers of mass-shootings in Mexico compare to America? Do you even know? And why would you even think to compare America to war-ravaged nations in Africa? Does that make the problem seem not-so-bad to you? Is that the firm action you think should be taken on this serious problem?

It's not moving the goalposts when you don't understand what is being said. Or are being deliberately obtuse.