KOTOR Remake Announced + Teaser *UPDATE* It appears canceled

[chris dizmon]

Oh, a writer like that getting hired is fantastic. She "hates male Star Wars fans" LOL. Star Wars fans really are the worst. Always complaining about bad products but always buying those products and related merch.

Your comment about Star Wars fans also applies to gamers. Lol.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Have you played it recently?

The gameplay has aged like milk, possibly worse than the graphics. Auto-attacking, combat that requires no skill whatsoever, and running slowly everywhere with very weird animations.

A year after KOTOR came out Jedi Academy was released I was like 'If Kotor had Jedi Academy's gameplay it'd be a perfect game.'

Then the bar had been raised for Action/RPGs my the Mass Effect games.

So if this remake of KOTOR is going to be worthy of the PS5 its got to set the bar even higher than Mass Effect did, which shouldn't be too much of an ask but I doubt Aspyr would be able to handle that.

To be honest, no.
It's possible I misspoke. When I said gameplay, I didn't mean play control. I meant the D&D based system with feats, skill points, and abilities. I remember that fondly, and while it's been a while, I did play it several times, compelled by the RPG system.

 

[ThulsaDooom]

Your comment about Star Wars fans also applies to gamers. Lol.

100% agreed.

 

[Canned Tuna]

i was just shown this.....jesus fucking christ.

What the fuck

 

[Canned Tuna]

To be honest, no.
It's possible I misspoke. When I said gameplay, I didn't mean play control. I meant the D&D based system with feats, skill points, and abilities. I remember that fondly, and while it's been a while, I did play it several times, compelled by the RPG system.

I would definitely be sad if they trashed the class and skill systems.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

To be honest, no.
It's possible I misspoke. When I said gameplay, I didn't mean play control. I meant the D&D based system with feats, skill points, and abilities. I remember that fondly, and while it's been a while, I did play it several times, compelled by the RPG system.

I would definitely be sad if they trashed the class and skill systems.

Honestly at this point that's the least of my concerns.

 

[GSP_37]

Its still in early development, probably 2 years away from the launch date at the earliest. By then most of everybody that wants to have a PS5 would have one so there'll be no need to have a weak PS4 version.

There's been mixed reports about if the PC version will be launch on the same day or shortly thereafter.

What kind of fancy shit could they put in an RPG that PS4 can't handle?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

What kind of fancy shit could they put in an RPG that PS4 can't handle?

The PS4 has the power of a 2010 mediocre gaming computer. PC versions of games looked awesome while the PS4 ports looked like 'meh' at best on it.

In 2023, PS5 games are going to have no excuse but to look awesome especially when they're not 'mediocre' when compared to decently priced gaming PCs, unless for some reason the development teams say "Hey, lets also port it over to the PS4.'

That's ONE of the reasons why Cyberpunk2077's development was horrible and its launch was such an abortion.

 

[Canned Tuna]

Honestly at this point that's the least of my concerns.

It's a defining feature of the game for me. The story and the fact that it feels like a cRPG were what made me love it.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

It's a defining feature of the game for me. The story and the fact that it feels like a cRPG were what made me love it.

So its the nostalgic factor.

I get why you love it, but the fact is cRPGs are practically dead as a sub-genre of RPGs, and never translated well to consoles. Their controls never felt right on console controllers, that's why they never were big on consoles.

Only reason why KOTOR was a cRPG was because in the early 2000s Bioware only knew how to develop them, and the limitations of the original XBox combined with the group turn-based combat the game was designed to have.

20 years later consoles are dozens of times more powerful and their storage capacity for a game has multipled several times more than that. Neither one can now be excuses for only developing cRPGs.

Only reason why the KOTOR Remake would be a cRPG is the nostalgia factor, 'well the first one was, so why try to do better,' and lack of experience, confidence and laziness of the developer.

But I'd rather ask 'Why should the KOTOR remake just limit itself to what the original was?' It could be so much better by analyzing the original got right and wrong, correct what it got wrong, and improve what it got right.

And I've heard make YouTubers say over the last four days 'Kotor's story is perfect, no need for it to be re-written' and 'the gameplay is still awesome to this day.'

First, no, KOTOR's story wasn't perfect. The info dumps through dialogue (especially Carth after you wake up in Taris), many side-quests were BORING and their stories irrelevant, uninteresting, and for some reason bizarre (the sex robot that ran away on Dantooine), and lets be honest here
.. Malak looked and sounded awesome and his dialogue was brilliant, but he was very 1-dimensional and was 'stupid evil' - being evil because evil is evil and I like to be super duper evil (Bombarding Taris because his troops couldn't find Bastilla?).

Flaws like these, specifically related to the story, are damn near impossible to ignore when you notice them, and they're what I would hope a remake would fix.

 

[Canned Tuna]

So its the nostalgic factor.

I get why you love it, but the fact is cRPGs are practically dead as a sub-genre of RPGs, and never translated well to consoles. Their controls never felt right on console controllers, that's why they never were big on consoles.

Only reason why KOTOR was a cRPG was because in the early 2000s Bioware only knew how to develop them, and the limitations of the original XBox combined with the group turn-based combat the game was designed to have.

20 years later consoles are dozens of times more powerful and their storage capacity for a game has multipled several times more than that. Neither one can now be excuses for only developing cRPGs.

Only reason why the KOTOR Remake would be a cRPG is the nostalgia factor, 'well the first one was, so why try to do better,' and lack of experience, confidence and laziness of the developer.

But I'd rather ask 'Why should the KOTOR remake just limit itself to what the original was?' It could be so much better by analyzing the original got right and wrong, correct what it got wrong, and improve what it got right.

And I've heard make YouTubers say over the last four days 'Kotor's story is perfect, no need for it to be re-written' and 'the gameplay is still awesome to this day.'

First, no, KOTOR's story wasn't perfect. The info dumps through dialogue (especially Carth after you wake up in Taris), many side-quests were BORING and their stories irrelevant, uninteresting, and for some reason bizarre (the sex robot that ran away on Dantooine), and lets be honest here
.. Malak looked and sounded awesome and his dialogue was brilliant, but he was very 1-dimensional and was 'stupid evil' - being evil because evil is evil and I like to be super duper evil (Bombarding Taris because his troops couldn't find Bastilla?).

Flaws like these, specifically related to the story, are damn near impossible to ignore when you notice them, and they're what I would hope a remake would fix.

You can change the combat system without trashing the class and skill systems and it solves all of your issues with it being a cRPG. I've already stated ITT that the combat system aged horribly and I'd like to see it completely reworked. No, the nostalgia factor isn't the "only reason it would be a cRPG". It would be a cRPG to stay true to the first one. Fidelity and nostalgia aren't the same thing. Larian Studios has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a modern spin on cRPGs can make for a really good game.

I played the first on PC and I'll play this one on PC. I don't really care if it doesn't feel as good on console.

I don't think any reasonable person would care if they changed aspects of the delivery of the story as long as they didn't actually change the content of the plot. The fact that they hired Sam Maggs is worrying.

 

[TheJewBear]

I hope they rework the combat. KOTOR and Dragon Age Origins are two of my absolute favorite games of all time, but that combat system feels really dated and I don't see the point of a remake if you don't update the combat. I'd be fine with them going with an updated action combat style or going full turn based a la Divinity Original Sin 1&2 and BG3.

The combat system of the FF7 remake would look and play really well with KOTOR.

 

[Bob Gray]

When you hire someone to write Star Wars that both hated KOTOR (probably the greatest Star Wars game ever) and thinks The Last Jedi is the height of the series (rather than the near death of it) it doesn't bode well for the outlook of the game. Isn't Resetera basically the Tumblr crowd discussing video games? Why would you even use that site lol.



The 1st 2 games are like $10 each on steam. Plenty of sites where you can rip them too. Both are still fun to this day IMO.

Did she say she hated KOTOR? All I saw was someone asking what her favorite was and she said not Kotor, but without the context of the conversations it hard to place the comment.

Still, you don't even need to hire a damn writer for a Kotor remake. The story is already perfect.

 

[Canned Tuna]

Did she say she hated KOTOR? All I saw was someone asking what her favorite was and she said not Kotor, but without the context of the conversations it hard to place the comment.

Still, you don't even need to hire a damn writer for a Kotor remake. The story is already perfect.

She didn't say she hates KOTOR, but if someone asks you what your favorite game in a category is and instead of just answering with your favorite game you go out of your way to state that it is definitely not one specific game, it sounds a lot like a condemnation of that one specific game.

She is also an outspoken SJW and actually stated that The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars film so... It seems like a very specific hire to write a story for something that already has a great story...

 

[TheJewBear]

She didn't say she hates KOTOR, but if someone asks you what your favorite game in a category is and instead of just answering with your favorite game you go out of your way to state that it is definitely not one specific game, it sounds a lot like a condemnation of that one specific game.

She is also an outspoken SJW and actually stated that The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars film so... It seems like a very specific hire to write a story for something that already has a great story...

The story is essentially gender-neutral based on the protagonist's character build and doesn't have romantic encounters if I recall correctly.

I'm trying to imagine what an SJW writer would change or add to the KOTOR story to make it "woke" and I can't think of any major changes that would seem antiquated, "problematic" or whatever.

EDIT: This may be part of the reason for a rewrite: "there has been speculation that the remake will actually include parts of both KOTOR 1 and 2, and also establish some of the lore from those games in the official Star Wars canon."

https://kotaku.com/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-gets-ps5-remake-1847646267

The cast is already diverse and has women in leading roles. I'm going to maintain hope that the story won't be radically changed, rewritten or liberalized too much so as to distract from what will hopefully be a great-looking and great-playing game.

 

[Bob Gray]

She didn't say she hates KOTOR, but if someone asks you what your favorite game in a category is and instead of just answering with your favorite game you go out of your way to state that it is definitely not one specific game, it sounds a lot like a condemnation of that one specific game.

She is also an outspoken SJW and actually stated that The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars film so... It seems like a very specific hire to write a story for something that already has a great story...

Yeah, but like I said, without the context of the conversation its hard to make a leap that she actively hates KOTOR. I get it, shes woke and easy to hate because her opinions are cancer. Still, Im not gonna take a step further and put words in her mouth.

 

[Morning Star]

Did she say she hated KOTOR? All I saw was someone asking what her favorite was and she said not Kotor, but without the context of the conversations it hard to place the comment.

Still, you don't even need to hire a damn writer for a Kotor remake. The story is already perfect.

Maybe I inferred that remark differently than you because I thought that it was a clear snarky dismissal of KOTOR. Even if you don't think KOTOR is the greatest Star Wars game ever (I do), most people would admit it's at least on the podium. To me it's akin to a Star Wars director/writer being dismissive of Empire.

And I agree with your 2nd paragraph. If I'm being honest I would much rather see a prequel set during either the Mandalorian Wars or during the Jedi Civil War or even post KOTOR 2, rather than a remake.

 

[Bob Gray]

Maybe I inferred that remark differently than you because I thought that it was a clear snarky dismissal of KOTOR. Even if you don't think KOTOR is the greatest Star Wars game ever (I do), most people would admit it's at least on the podium. To me it's akin to a Star Wars director/writer being dismissive of Empire.

And I agree with your 2nd paragraph. If I'm being honest I would much rather see a prequel set during either the Mandalorian Wars or during the Jedi Civil War or even post KOTOR 2, rather than a remake.

My hope is that this is testing the waters for a massive single player RPG. I heard rumors and whatnot that Bioware tried several times to get KOTOR 3 off the ground, but EA always nixed the idea because it was harder to monotonize pure single player games. Now that Jedi Outcast was a resounding success and EA has admitted to being open to mor ideas, my fingers are crossed that this one being a success will open the doors to more AAA budget single player RPGs. But we'll see.

 

[Fraz]

Hopefully April O'Neil is a Jedi in it

 

[GearSolidMetal]

My hope is that this is testing the waters for a massive single player RPG. I heard rumors and whatnot that Bioware tried several times to get KOTOR 3 off the ground, but EA always nixed the idea because it was harder to monotonize pure single player games. Now that Jedi Outcast was a resounding success and EA has admitted to being open to mor ideas, my fingers are crossed that this one being a success will open the doors to more AAA budget single player RPGs. But we'll see.

Honestly, it'd be interesting if they include online co-op, like Divinity 2.

If not for the woke writer and a developer with no track Triple-A record, if the gameplay looks damn good I'd go against my rule against preordering and buying a season pass for DLC/Expansions.