Kosen Judo (training report)

[sha]

You would also find a majority of the instructors and practitioners cross-trained in Kodokan Judo and other arts to revive the techniques of Kosen Judo.

there are no "techniques of Kosen Judo", they are the same as kodokan judo techniques. "kosen judo" just means they train with different rules and emphasize the ground game.

The problem with your argument is that you make it sound like people like Yuki Nakai are impostors who secretely learned BJJ to "revive kosen judo". They didn't, they just trained kodokan judo under judo newaza experts.
At least that's how I understand it.

 

[Ryo]

If I went to Kyoto University and asked whether their instructors had direct lineage from the old school Kosen Judo practitioners, there probably wouldn't be many, if any, because the sport basically died out. You would also find a majority of the instructors and practitioners cross-trained in Kodokan Judo and other arts to revive the techniques of Kosen Judo.

Kosen Judo has not died out. How do you figure? If you went to Kyoto University, you would find many people who have been trained by a Kosen guy, or trained by a guy who has been trained by a Kosen guy. Kosen Judo is not ancient for fucks sake. Kanae Hirata himself trained many students in Judo. So how could it be dead if you've still got many students (young) who have trained extensively under a Kosen Judo player? You make zero sense, and your argument against blatant facts, is just retarded.

You can't argue this point. You are wrong! please except it. Its about like trying to argue that grass is not green. Kosen Judo is alive and well, it NEVER died out. Kosen rules tournaments are still held today. There is no need nor was there ever, to go train in BJJ or Kodokan Judo (which doesn't even make sense as they are both Judo) to somehow revive an art that never died. Masahiko Kimura himself was a Kosen Judo player. He didn't even die until the 90's and he trained many Judoka. You could trace the Kosen Judo lineage with ease in Japan today.

 

[Q mystic]

If I went to Kyoto University and asked whether their instructors had direct lineage from the old school Kosen Judo practitioners, there probably wouldn't be many, if any, because the sport basically died out. You would also find a majority of the instructors and practitioners cross-trained in Kodokan Judo and other arts to revive the techniques of Kosen Judo.

What other arts? What indication is there in whats called Kosen judo that isn't in the Canon of judo?

Outside of incentive of course, which is clearly, very clearly, appreciated of bjj.

 

[Q mystic]

Yuki Nakai was a Kosen judo blackbelt before the BJJ craze...so the idea that Kosen judo was resurrected artificially following the rise of BJJ is false.

When? What years approx?

LOL. Then comes the catch wrestler to say that, 'no meng, this isn't new.'

hi-5 Kforcer.

Either way tho. BJJ came in and demoed a form of judo that hasn't been demoed in many years the same way and all the more for their idea on media and the way they used the offence in newaza.(Bow to Royce Gracie)

Bjj is bjj, Sambo is sambo...all judo, but kosen still just seems like newaza....just not olympic.

Nakai was a judo expert?

 

[Ryo]

Nakai was a judo expert?

Yes he is. He trained under Kanae Hirata. You can actually see him in pics on that Kosen Judo website that's been posted a million times. Infact he claims that his master is the greatest groundfighter he's ever rolled with, not Rickson. Now whether that's true or not is another story, Ofcourse that could be just a show of respect or whatnot, but that is what he said.

 

[Kforcer]

When? What years approx?

LOL. Then comes the catch wrestler to say that, 'no meng, this isn't new.'

hi-5 Kforcer.

Either way tho. BJJ came in and demoed a form of judo that hasn't been demoed in many years the same way and all the more for their idea on media and the way they used the offence in newaza.(Bow to Royce Gracie)

Bjj is bjj, Sambo is sambo...all judo, but kosen still just seems like newaza....just not olympic.

Nakai was a judo expert?

Yuki Nakai was a Kosen judo blackbelt and top-tier ground fighter before the first UFC happened, which seems to explode the idea that people are trying to put forth in this thread that Kosen judo died out and then, the BJJ craze hit and a bunch of guys started practicing BJJ under the name "Kosen judo." Of course, the idea is groundless in the first place so it doesn't really need exploding.

Nakai was competing in Shooto back in the early 90's, prior to the first UFC, as a Kosen judo blackbelt, where he exhibited a very strong ground-game.

Yuki Nakai was a Kosen judo blackbelt and Kosen judo wasn't just artificially resurrected for the BJJ craze. End of story.

Plenty of people utilized highly developed and effective forms of submission grappling prior to the Gracie craze but the Gracie's certainly brought submission grappling into a spotlight it had not experienced in a long time, if ever.

 

[Kforcer]

Kosen Judo has not died out. How do you figure? If you went to Kyoto University, you would find many people who have been trained by a Kosen guy, or trained by a guy who has been trained by a Kosen guy. Kosen Judo is not ancient for fucks sake. Kanae Hirata himself trained many students in Judo. So how could it be dead if you've still got many students (young) who have trained extensively under a Kosen Judo player? You make zero sense, and your argument against blatant facts, is just retarded.

You can't argue this point. You are wrong! please except it. Its about like trying to argue that grass is not green. Kosen Judo is alive and well, it NEVER died out. Kosen rules tournaments are still held today. There is no need nor was there ever, to go train in BJJ or Kodokan Judo (which doesn't even make sense as they are both Judo) to somehow revive an art that never died. Masahiko Kimura himself was a Kosen Judo player. He didn't even die until the 90's and he trained many Judoka. You could trace the Kosen Judo lineage with ease in Japan today.

End of story.

 

[miscend]

Interview with Nakai to clear things up once and for all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oml7dyPT2QA

 

[mattemate]

Interview with Nakai to clear things up once and for all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oml7dyPT2QA

That's an old-ass thread you revived!

 

[lechien]

A 7th kodokan judo bb that fuses kosen judo and modern Olympic judo taught a nice pin set up.

It is basically a bicep slicer from side control.

I doubt he learned from BJJ or catch.

 

[Steve08]

A 7th kodokan judo bb that fuses kosen judo and modern Olympic judo taught a nice pin set up.

It is basically a bicep slicer from side control.

I doubt he learned from BJJ or catch.

Nah man, I'm pretty sure that guy was awarded his black belt by Billy Robinson.