Khamzat's win over Kamaru is criminally underrated

[whitebelt4life]

If anything it's overated.

Usmans had knee surgeries, is past his prime, was short notice, and he barely edged out a win.

Usman's knees have been shot for a long time including in his prime.

 

[CasualBot]

Couldn't finish him, but Leon did.



Overrated is accurate.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

I’ll believe the hype when he beats a legit MW. He has a chance to against Rob. Wins over past their prime welterweights don’t mean much, especially ones on less than 2 weeks notice that are close fights

 

[188912345]

Kamaru came off the couch couch with ten days notice after losing a step, to fight in a new weight class. It's accurately rated.

There's not a single prospect whose performances are downplayed and picked apart as harshly as Khamzats. The guy is 13-0, 11 finishes. When people for example look at Holloway, Whittaker, Makachaev, or Charles Oliveira people don't judge them that hard for the losses they have, especially early in the career.

Khamzat 10-8s Usman and people act like it's nothing. They also say he gasses out, completely ignoring that he's still winning rounds (and decisions) after "gassing out". Do you guys think his opponent doesn't get tired too, after having to fight at his pace in round 1? It's like how people viewed DDP and his cardio, ignoring that he's still effective and competitive even when he's obviously tired.

Goal posts are moved constantly, expect Rob to become a washed "former ww" if he dominates him.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

I think it's the kind of win that will age like wine honestly. And it's hard for me to understand how some sherscientist experts are unable to realize the value of that win.

Everyone talks about how that was a short notice fight for Kamaru but it ended up being a short notice for Chimaev too, he went from preparing for a mid striker to a damn good, powerful wrestler in Kamaru and RAGDOLLED him in the first round. .

Usmans knees being destroyed was a well known fact while he was champ. Everyone knew he was coming done quick before even Leon. The fact he was on short notice, up a weight, and wasn't rated that highly is an incredibly fair position for people to have.

I know he has cardio issues and gasses out later on but shit he still is undefeated. He won the second round against Usman and even after eating a couple shots in the 3rd still probably won that round too.

This is a stretch. He "won" the second round? On one judge's scorecard, yeah. Same with round 3. That's largely not considered "winning the round" to people. Also, you can't really say he "won the second and maybe the third" when the third was his better round of the two

He's the most vicious, maniacal grappler in history with a ferociousness that is just impossible to not be a fan of..

slurp

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

There's not a single prospect whose performances are downplayed and picked apart as harshly as Khamzats.

Constantly OVERrating something forces others to put that thing through a finer microscope

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Saying that Usman's knees were bad during his prime as if people with bad knees can't possibly get worse knees is so dumb it hurts. And yes, that is what people are implying when they say "Usman already had bad knees".

Guess what, his knees will be worse 10 years from now. It's not like you get a "bad knees" badge, and that's it, it doesn't decay anymore.

Usman's agility has stifled incredibly over the years. He is almost entirely vertical in his most recent fights. Speaking of which, he fights so infrequently now, clearly because he is physically past it and needs to be hyper selective. Going through a camp is probably hell for him.

 

[PeterGriffin]

Sorry Sherbro, but that Usman fight took away from Khamzat's aura more than it added, and Khamzat was lucky it was 3 rounder.

A man grinding on other fellas really seems to turn you on though, you went full white-knight in defending Chimaev's performance.

 

[188912345]

Constantly OVERrating something forces others to put that thing through a finer microscope

Ok, let's look at it through a finer microscope. Let's take the "if Rob survives round 1(-2) he wins easily"-narrative, and we can take a look at the 2 times Khamzat's seen round 3.

Against Burns, he won round 3 on all judges scorecards, pressuring him and looking fresher than Burns. Interestingly enough, his output was actually increasing from each round.

Against Usman, he was still able to take him down in both rounds 2 and 3. He controlled him for a big part of round 3, hence why the judges were split on who won rounds 2 and 3, since Usman also looked tired. If he can be effective wrestling with Usman while tired, I have a hard time not seeing him being able to wrestle Rob while tired.

I understand he's easy to dislike, but please at least try to look at his skills and performances objectively.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Saying that Usman's knees were bad during his prime as if people with bad knees can't possibly get worse knees is so dumb it hurts. And yes, that is what people are implying when they say "Usman already had bad knees".

Wait, you're saying that the people who bring up Usman's bad knees are doing so as a  defense of Usman? Who has done that, cuz I must have missed it. I thought most people brought it up because his knees were bad and getting worse

Guess what, his knees will be worse 10 years from now. It's not like you get a "bad knees" badge, and that's it, it doesn't decay anymore.

Usman's agility has stifled incredibly over the years. He is almost entirely vertical in his most recent fights. Speaking of which, he fights so infrequently now, clearly because he is physically past it and needs to be hyper selective. Going through a camp is probably hell for him.

Before the Leon fight, Usman said something to Rogan about going up stairs backwards to make it easier. No one in the realm of athletically fit and able is making that kind of decision. It's no surprise at all he's not very active or grappling heavy anymore

 

[CasualBot]

There's not a single prospect whose performances are downplayed and picked apart as harshly as Khamzats. The guy is 13-0, 11 finishes. When people for example look at Holloway, Whittaker, Makachaev, or Charles Oliveira people don't judge them that hard for the losses they have, especially early in the career.

Khamzat 10-8s Usman and people act like it's nothing. They also say he gasses out, completely ignoring that he's still winning rounds (and decisions) after "gassing out". Do you guys think his opponent doesn't get tired too, after having to fight at his pace in round 1? It's like how people viewed DDP and his cardio, ignoring that he's still effective and competitive even when he's obviously tired.

Goal posts are moved constantly, expect Rob to become a washed "former ww" if he dominates him.

Leon finished Usman.

Already ko'd Usman (on two shot knees) rolled off the couch on ten days notice...

And Hamfat couldn't finish him.

11 finishes but not Burns or Usman.

 

[188912345]

Leon finished Usman.

Already ko'd Usman (on two shot knees) rolled off the couch on ten days notice...

And Hamfat couldn't finish him.

11 finishes but not Burns or Usman.

GM3 and Weidman finished Bruno Silva, but Pereira won a decision. Does that mean GM3 and Weidman are better than Poatan?

 

[CasualBot]

GM3 and Weidman finished Bruno Silva, but Pereira won a decision. Does that mean GM3 and Weidman are better than Poatan?

If your grandma had wheels, she'd be a bike.

Thread is about Hamfat & Usman.

 

[188912345]

If your grandma had wheels, she'd be a bike.

Thread is about Hamfat & Usman.

Well, you're the one with the "if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle" MMA-math argument. The level is really low when you have to resort to name calling.

 

[CasualBot]

Well, you're the one with the "if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle" MMA-math argument. The level is really low when you have to resort to name calling.

 

[SirRealKiller]

I think the win was a good win but diminished because only 10 days notice for Usman so he couldn't have been sharp and didn't look like it. Also this was a diminished Usman at this point in his career. Still impressive win but it's not like he beat a prime Usman with a full camp.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I think it's the kind of win that will age like wine honestly. And it's hard for me to understand how some sherscientist experts are unable to realize the value of that win.

Everyone talks about how that was a short notice fight for Kamaru but it ended up being a short notice for Chimaev too, he went from preparing for a mid striker to a damn good, powerful wrestler in Kamaru and RAGDOLLED him in the first round. .

Let me repeat
He RAGDOLLED Kamaru in the first round

Again
He RAGDOLLED Kamaru in the first round

One more time
He RAGDOLLED Kamaru in the first round

Do you know how nuts that shit is? Who have you seen mount and flatten Kamaru out there like he's a fucking crepe from ihop after a shitty night out? Nobody does that to Usman man. Khamzat is special.

I know he has cardio issues and gasses out later on but shit he still is undefeated. He won the second round against Usman and even after eating a couple shots in the 3rd still probably won that round too.

He's the most vicious, maniacal grappler in history with a ferociousness that is just impossible to not be a fan of..

I love Whittaker but Khamzat is going to annihilate him in the first round. It's gonna be diabolical.

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The only thing I disagree with is that Khamzat isn't the only guy to do that to Usman -- Leon Edwards took him down and controlled him for a round in their 2nd fight.

 

[188912345]

The only thing I disagree with is that Khamzat isn't the only guy to do that to Usman -- Leon Edwards took him down and controlled him for a round in their 2nd fight.

Leon hit an opportunistic takedown with a body lock when he reversed Usman in the clinch, and tripped him down. Controlled him for 2:55. Impressive, but it was the one takedown he had against Usman, and he didn't 10-8 him. Clearly Usman was in a lot more danger when Khamzat had him down for almost all of round 1 in their fight. One slam away from getting the sub.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

Leon hit an opportunistic takedown with a body lock when he reversed Usman in the clinch, and tripped him down. Controlled him for 2:55. Impressive, but it was the one takedown he had against Usman, and he didn't 10-8 him. Clearly Usman was in a lot more danger when Khamzat had him down for almost all of round 1 in their fight. One slam away from getting the sub.

That's true -- the slam was a desperation attempt from Usman. Against Edwards, he was controlled, but never close to being finished.

 

[DanDragon Machi]

A prime Usman with proper preparation beats Khamzat however he wants.

Prime Usman is overrated

His best vcitories are Burns and Masvidal lol