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Any version of Wonderboy gets smeshed.
Khamzat SMESH Everyone MEGATHREAD.
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I thought you were banned wth
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The guys Chainwrestling and timing on his explosive TDs is too much to handle for everyone at WW I think, Ill change my Mind once I see anyone defend it.
Leech put up a good defense, its not like he got choked immediately like gaejhe Khamzat just doesn't stop controlling the wrist
Leech put up a good defense, its not like he got choked immediately like gaejhe Khamzat just doesn't stop controlling the wrist
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You unfortunatley cannot tell the difference between temp bans and permabans. It always just says banned either way.
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My guy, Aliskerov has 12 fights in MMA and was 8-0 when Khamzat fought him.
You say Khabib needed 16 MMA fights before he was ready for the UFC, but I totally disagree. I think he could have beat a ton of top LW's if he just jumped in the UFC far before that. You do realize Combat Sambo is not a single discipline sport like kick boxing and is essentially just MMA with head gear, right? There is a reason Fedor and Khabib have been so dominant in MMA and were Combat Sambo champs. Aliskerov is also from the Abdulmanap/Dagestan system, which we see Islam doing so well with now. You simply can not compare Saki transitioning to MMA to multiple time combat sambo world champions coming over - again, there is a reason he is undefeated now aside from the Khamzat loss. I would wager if he was pit against the top 10 UFC MW's he atleast beats a handful of them.
Not sure where you are comparing Khamzat at WW to Khabib fighting at LW. Khabib was a MASSIVE LW, that is why he failed weight 3 times and should have failed vs Gaethje. Khabib walked around at 195 (according to Josh) while fighting at LW and won his last combat sambo world championship at 181 pounds. Aliskerov won the 82 KG title like Khabib but also won the 90KG title: he may not be as gifted Khabib P4P, but he uses the same training, has the same style, was even his training partner and won as many world championships as Khabib in Combat Sambo. Would a fight vs Khamzat play the same way? Probably not, but there are certainly parallels we can draw. The biggest being that even if Khabib neutralized Khamzat's superior wrestling and athleticism, he still has to worry about KO power.
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Khamzat is a star, way bigger than Islam and Petr Yan
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Its a recent thing. I didnt realize it until i saw certain ppl return from the dead...
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Khamzat is the much fluider wrestler. But ofc Israel is a very tough fight for anyone who doesn't have a size advantage over him.
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Khamzat has already more Instagram follower than Usman, but Islam has more followers than both.
Khamzat might be already a bigger star than Usman at this point, and they should just make them fight after Colby, because Usman is already 34 years old, if he waits another 2 years for Khamzat, then he would lose his chance to face Khamzat in his prime.
He only has 1 opponent that fought in UFC, others are still untested. He should went to UFC to prove that he can be successful, being finished by Khamzat inside of 2 rounds, doesn't look good at all.
Either way my point stands that your comparison is just funny as if every combat world sambo champion can be equal to Khabib in MMA, there are many of those, they can't just like not every kickboxing champion can't, they are close sports, but not the same, you can't compare it to MMA top level.
Nonsense.
Different rules, different fighting location, they even wear jackets.
Those small differences makes a HUGE difference in the Octagon, not surprised you don't realize that though.
This guy seriously believes every Combat Word Champion can be equal to Khabib, lmao.
Adesanya is a title challenger in kickboxing, Gokhan Saki former kickboxing champion. See the difference in MMA.
There is a reason Fedor and Khabib are also great in MMA, for the same reason why Adesanya is also great. They are special, and exceptions who can do both things.
It's a very simple fact.
Show one Combat World Sambo champion as good as Khabib, then you can talk nonsense about this, LOL.
As if Saki is the only failed high level kickboxer who tried MMA. There are others two. As I said; these all 3 are different sports, you can't expect a sambo champion to be champion in MMA just because Fedor and Khabib.
Aliskerov is not even close to them.
Khabib is not even close to being a massive LW and we already have evidence for that,
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...s-last-fight-according-to-dan-hooker.4156993/
Lightweights
- (2017) Drew Dober: 183 lbs
- (2013) Gleison Tibau: 181 lbs
- (2018) Paul Felder: 180 lbs
- (2017) Davi Ramos: 179 lbs
- (2019) Christos Giagos: 176.2 lbs
- (2019) Dustin Poirier: 176 lbs
- (2019) Drakkar Klose: 175.2 lbs
- (2019) Khabib Nurmagomedov: 172.6 lbs
- (2018) Conor McGregor: 171 lbs
- (2017) Eddie Alvarez: 171 lbs
- (2018) Alexander Hernandez: 170 lbs
- (2019) Khama Worthy: 167.6 lbs
- (2020) Justin Gaethje: 165 lbs
- (2019) Devonte Smith: 163.8 lbs
- (2018) BJ Penn: 163.5 lbs
Failing to make weight was related to his injuries and this is explained as well. You are repeating the same failed arguments over and over again.
Khabib said when he is in shape he is 180 lbs,
are we going to listen Josh, or Khabib himself? If Khabib is 190 lbs, then it means he isn't in shape and he is simply fat.
If you are 180 lbs when you are in shape, that's LW size. WW size fighters like Usman, Woodley are 190 lbs when they are in shape, could be even more.
Another argument of yours debunked easily.
Khamzat is simply a very huge WW, and could be as big as Usman, and could be even bigger as he is expected to fight at middleweight.
As I said earlier, why would Khabib fight him if he didn't even fight GSP, when GSP is even smaller than Khamzat? Baseless arguments.
If they are same size Khabib would dominate Khamzat as Khamzat is still inexperienced compared to Khabib, and not tested compared to Khabib. There is a reason even Gaethje said no one under 185 is beating Khabib, and Gaethje knows Usman very well, they are training partners. First Khamzat should prove if he can consistently make weight to 170, then he should prove that he is as good as Usman, then we can talk about that fight.
It's also funny people like you comparing him and wanting him to fight Khabib, when there is Usman there to fight. Is Khabib > Usman, why are you guys skipping Usman when Usman is in the same division as Khamzat? That's nonsense. Two different weight classes.
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Agree. ESPN actually did a summary of his stats in the UFC today (they even see the potential this guy possesses). It's scary. He's got the kind of hype Jones and Cain had coming into the UFC as prospects, except he is destroying opponents on a level we have never seen. He's still pretty young, he's super confident in his ability, and he is super talented. He also has a mic game, if you've watched any of his post fights pressers or interviews. He's already getting millions of hits on various platforms. He's going to become a huge star. I am really interested in seeing how high his ceiling is, and I'm on the train with this guy, something I don't usually do with a prospect. I'm usually a "let's wait and see" kind of fan, but in this case, we can see it now. Dude will have a nice career.
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Baloney. Khabib walked around at 195 and would be 182-185 on fight night:
“Who cuts a ton of weight at 155? Khabib! Khabib cuts a shitload of weight. 195 three weeks ago, 191 when he showed up in camp. Now he’s down to 182, 183... (On fight night he's) probably 185-182, somewhere around there."
https://punditarena.com/mma/thepate...ahead-ufc-219-trashes-alvarez-vs-gaethje-war/
He even competed at 181 pounds for Combat Sambo years ago, so naturally has gotten bigger since then. Your nuts if you think he walks at 171. Sounds like you bought some of the fake news from Khabib about his weight as he was under a lot of heat for missing weight three times and almost dying. Fighters lie about weight for different reasons, much like Conor said he weighed 174 vs Aldo then bulked up and maxxed out at 168 when fighting at WW.
You also conveniently tried creating a straw man to say that I said combat sambo was identical to MMA in every way - we both know I never said that, even used the operative words "essentially is MMA with head gear". Sorry, but I do not think lack of a cage, differences in gloves and having jackets makes that huge of a difference in a cage fight - maybe it makes some smaller differences, like gi to no gi BJJ, but there is a reason a top BJJ BB for the Gi can beat blue belt with no gi. And again, it is not simply doing combat sambo which is important, it is the system in which one does it in and the quality of the athlete (i.e. world champ vs beginner) - Combat Sambo has come a long way over the past 20 years and these top Dagestan guys are all having lots of success.
You ask who has been as successful in Combat Sambo and MMA as Khabib? Ehm, Fedor...you know, the GOAT? Islam also was said to be very even to Khabib - again from the same system and relative clones aside from some small differences - and will absolutely be a UFC champion in my estimation. Aliskerov is from that system too, won world championships at higher weight classes and won more world championships than Islam. Many other successful combat sambo fighters, like Arlovski, have went on to become MMA champions but not even he was close to Aliskerov's level.
Also do do not agree at all that having to beat fighters that competed in the UFC means squat - this is noob think. It is my opinion that Aliskerov would beat many top 20 UFC WW and MW's - if you disagree, fine. I have seen all his fights and think the evidence exists that he would be a top UFC MW, and sorry, I think he would atleast be competitive with Khabib like Islam is reported to be competitive with Khabib, and owing to his size and near identical skillset could very likely beat him.
I get that you are a huge Khabib fan and emotionally invested in him. I think he is definitely one of the best fighters we have ever seen, but I do not buy that he is some freak special athlete, just as I do not think Royce Gracie was or Islam is: they are men from a certain place, time, with a certain skillset that matched up well with the current UFC roster, just as the Gracie system matched up well with the old UFC. I believe Khamzat beats Khabib and there currently is evidence to support that, even if he and his opponents never beat anyone under the Holy UFC banner.
Feel how you want, it is pointless anyways as Khabib would never fight a guy like Khamzat at this point. Time shall tell jut how quality Aliskerov is, but that win Khamzat has over him has aged awfully well with time. He has atleast better opponents in his first 11 wins that Khabib did in his first 11, that really can not be disputed.
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Lmao, this hater really makes me laugh, now he brings another guy who ''claims'' Khabib was this or was that.
I brought you a direct statement from Khabib; he says he is 180 lbs when he is in shape. You brought people who are not Khabib, LOL. You really are a rare case.
I never said he walks around 171 etc, can you even read?
The guy himself said he is 180 lbs when he is in shape, it's basic English, I hope you understand. ''When he is in shape''
If he is over 180 lbs, then he is fat. Not because he is bigger, he is probably over 180 lbs and he walks 190 lbs could be even more, that only proves he isn't in shape. This shouldn't be hard for even you to understand.
I also brought you other LWs numbers and you can clearly see Khabib is not even in top 5 when it comes to bigger LW sizes. Debunking your ridiculous arguments must be hurt since you are a Khabib hater, but if you want to produce better hating arguments, you need to think harder and you need to find something that I can't debunk easily, you are too easy to debunk for me.
I said name other sambo fighters who become as successful as Khabib and Fedor, there are none.
Do you know how many world combat sambo champion out there? more than hundreds, you think amongst these hundreds of sambo champions they are as good as Khabib and Fedor? Get out of here.
The only reason you may believe Khamzat would beat Khabib, because of size difference, other than that all of your ridiculous arguments are too easy to debunk, and if you think otherwise, you are not even smarter than I originally thought you would be. Because even Gaethje believes no one under 185 beats Khabib, when he is also training partners with Usman, and Usman is clearly above Khamzat right now, Khamzat is just a novice in this game.
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Khabib retired because he knew chimaev was coming. Like he ran before it came to him having to fight him. Chimeav is legit Man. Khabib knew it and ran before he was forced with the task to either fight him or duck out.
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winge winge fuckin winge weightbully winge winge
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He has otherworldly athleticism too. It’s simply unfair that someone should be that good of a technical wrestler but also be that quick, heavy handed, and strong. When he jumps on the cage it looks like his vertical leap is equal to his height.
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Said nothing about him being a weight bully, I was debunking the dude's point - with sources - that Khabib weighs 171 pounds. He actually also made the point Khamzat was a weight bully and said Khabib could fight at featherweight (oblivious of Khabib's real weight, and that Khabib missed weight 4 times)<45> You got any sources to disprove my sources or just insults? I am all ears if so!
Many modern lightweights walk around at near 200 (Tony Ferguson, TFerg); heck, Max said he even walks around at 180+....the game has changed alot since guys like BJ and Frankie ruled lightweight.
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My apologies. I misread. I met Khabib myself and he says he walks around at around 190 - 195 lbs altho i could see him being 170 lbs on fight night. But there are many LW's doing the same.
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So true. This is what really makes him special and stick out from all these nasty Caucus fighters. The real athletes over there go into wrestling, where as the guys that were not athletic enough went to Sambo (even Khabib admits this). Guys like Khabib and Islam are very good technical fighters, but not super explosive or athletic, and still they are eons ahead of their peers. Khamzat has Prime TWood type explosivity, but only better cardio, toughness and is more technical. Not sure if you have seen him wrestle, but he is slick AF and is highly technical on top of a powerhouse.
You almost could not construct a better combination of attributes or a fighter. He is like what we hoped Aaron Pico would be.
