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Is Khamzat Chimeav legit or still hype?


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My apologies. I misread. I met Khabib myself and he says he walks around at around 190 - 195 lbs altho i could see him being 170 lbs on fight night. But there are many LW's doing the same.
Np, my man.

The way i see it, if you can cut the weight and want to put yourself thru that hell and risk of losing energy/strength, go for it. The more you cut the more you lose. I know tony Ferguson even weighed 200, but no one calls him a weight bully because he was not rag dolling everyone.....and Chiesa cut ddown from 200 too but he lot his chin and energy, is way better at 70. Khabib's weight did not make him special, his technique and will did. He even won a world combat sambo title at 181, thus proving it is not the weight that makes him successful.

 
Np, my man.

The way i see it, if you can cut the weight and want to put yourself thru that hell and risk of losing energy/strength, go for it. The more you cut the more you lose. I know tony Ferguson even weighed 200, but no one calls him a weight bully because he was not rag dolling everyone.....and Chiesa cut ddown from 200 too but he lot his chin and energy, is way better at 70. Khabib's weight did not make him special, his technique and will did. He even won a world combat sambo title at 181, thus proving it is not the weight that makes him successful.


Can only agree. Its only brought up because people dont like the idea that Khabib is the best.
 
Beat this guy, Khabib of middleweight, with ease. Aliskerov is not jut a combat Sambo world champion, he is a two time Combat Sambo world champion and at two weight classes (181 and 197 pounds).



He also beat this guy, another guy that would beat almost everyone at MW in the UFC, again with ease. Their combined records would be 18-0 if it were not for Khamzat.



The evidence is already there the guy is cream of the crop, and he will only get better as he just picked up MMA after Conor KO'd Aldo and is already KO'ing guys in one punch and dropping HW Gus in sparring (something that Glover could not even do).


Sauce?
 
Baloney. Khabib walked around at 195 and would be 182-185 on fight night:

“Who cuts a ton of weight at 155? Khabib! Khabib cuts a shitload of weight. 195 three weeks ago, 191 when he showed up in camp. Now he’s down to 182, 183... (On fight night he's) probably 185-182, somewhere around there."

https://punditarena.com/mma/thepate...ahead-ufc-219-trashes-alvarez-vs-gaethje-war/

He even competed at 181 pounds for Combat Sambo years ago, so naturally has gotten bigger since then. Your nuts if you think he walks at 171. Sounds like you bought some of the fake news from Khabib about his weight as he was under a lot of heat for missing weight three times and almost dying. Fighters lie about weight for different reasons, much like Conor said he weighed 174 vs Aldo then bulked up and maxxed out at 168 when fighting at WW.

You also conveniently tried creating a straw man to say that I said combat sambo was identical to MMA in every way - we both know I never said that, even used the operative words "essentially is MMA with head gear". Sorry, but I do not think lack of a cage, differences in gloves and having jackets makes that huge of a difference in a cage fight - maybe it makes some smaller differences, like gi to no gi BJJ, but there is a reason a top BJJ BB for the Gi can beat blue belt with no gi. And again, it is not simply doing combat sambo which is important, it is the system in which one does it in and the quality of the athlete (i.e. world champ vs beginner) - Combat Sambo has come a long way over the past 20 years and these top Dagestan guys are all having lots of success.

You ask who has been as successful in Combat Sambo and MMA as Khabib? Ehm, Fedor...you know, the GOAT? Islam also was said to be very even to Khabib - again from the same system and relative clones aside from some small differences - and will absolutely be a UFC champion in my estimation. Aliskerov is from that system too, won world championships at higher weight classes and won more world championships than Islam. Many other successful combat sambo fighters, like Arlovski, have went on to become MMA champions but not even he was close to Aliskerov's level.

Also do do not agree at all that having to beat fighters that competed in the UFC means squat - this is noob think. It is my opinion that Aliskerov would beat many top 20 UFC WW and MW's - if you disagree, fine. I have seen all his fights and think the evidence exists that he would be a top UFC MW, and sorry, I think he would atleast be competitive with Khabib like Islam is reported to be competitive with Khabib, and owing to his size and near identical skillset could very likely beat him.

I get that you are a huge Khabib fan and emotionally invested in him. I think he is definitely one of the best fighters we have ever seen, but I do not buy that he is some freak special athlete, just as I do not think Royce Gracie was or Islam is: they are men from a certain place, time, with a certain skillset that matched up well with the current UFC roster, just as the Gracie system matched up well with the old UFC. I believe Khamzat beats Khabib and there currently is evidence to support that, even if he and his opponents never beat anyone under the Holy UFC banner.

Feel how you want, it is pointless anyways as Khabib would never fight a guy like Khamzat at this point. Time shall tell jut how quality Aliskerov is, but that win Khamzat has over him has aged awfully well with time. He has atleast better opponents in his first 11 wins that Khabib did in his first 11, that really can not be disputed.

We literally have his fight night weight, 172lbs
 
We literally have his fight night weight, 172lbs
Fight night weight and walk weight are very different. Again, the guy said Khamzat fighting at WW was like Khabib fighting at FW. That is bull. If Khabib walked around at 172, he would not have missed weight 3 (really 4) times and ended up in the hospital while trying to cut. And why would his team captain lie about his weight being 195 and 182-185 in the cage? And again, Khabib won the 181 pound sambo title all the way back in 2010, and no one would deny he has gotten much larger since then.
 
Fight night weight and walk weight are very different. Again, the guy said Khamzat fighting at WW was like Khabib fighting at FW. That is bull. If Khabib walked around at 172, he would not have missed weight 3 (really 4) times and ended up in the hospital while trying to cut. And why would his team captain lie about his weight being 195 and 182-185 in the cage? And again, Khabib won the 181 pound sambo title all the way back in 2010, and no one would deny he has gotten much larger since then.

You can’t lie about cage weight, he’s not a particularly big LW. That’s a fact
 
You can’t lie about cage weight, he’s not a particularly big LW. That’s a fact
Its a fact he walked around at 195 while fighting at LW and BJ Penn and Frankie used to max out at 168 range. Maybe Khabib is not particularly large compared to guys like Kevin Lee, Tony Ferguson and other modern lightweights, but he is a huge compared to former lightweights. If he was not 'a particularly large lightweight', then he would not have missed weight three times and almost ended up in the hospital nearly dead.


And yes, those weights were complete and utter BS. Remember how McGregor used to say he weighed 174 in cage at featherweight, then bulked up for WW and maxxed out at 168? Unless it comes from an official commission report, it is bs.
 
Just before everyone says Gaethje is a legit wreslter.. His game doesn't exactly rely on his wrestling. He's a bit like Romero on that department, and Romero has been taken down often..

The only wrestler Khabib faced was Tibau and he arguably lost (maybe a draw)

Fortunately Chimaev won't have favorable matchups for long.. Here come Colby, Usman, Burns... This gonna be good
 
Just before everyone says Gaethje is a legit wreslter.. His game doesn't exactly rely on his wrestling. He's a bit like Romero on that department, and Romero has been taken down often..

The only wrestler Khabib faced was Tibau and he arguably lost (maybe a draw)

Fortunately Chimaev won't have favorable matchups for long.. Here come Colby, Usman, Burns... This gonna be good
Pretty sure RDS is a legit BJJ guy and Khabib beat him easily. He also dominated Trujillo and Healy who both rely on their wrestling.
 
Just before everyone says Gaethje is a legit wreslter.. His game doesn't exactly rely on his wrestling. He's a bit like Romero on that department, and Romero has been taken down often..

The only wrestler Khabib faced was Tibau and he arguably lost (maybe a draw)

Fortunately Chimaev won't have favorable matchups for long.. Here come Colby, Usman, Burns... This gonna be good
Trujillo was a wrestler. Khabib manhandled him. As far as the TIbau fight, Tibau won the grappling part of the fight and it wasn't even close. Tibau was much stronger and Khabib couldn't land one takedown on him.
 
The only wrestler Khabib faced was Tibau
Shalorus was a wrestler, Tibau is one of the best wrestlers in LW history, Healy was a wrestler, Trujillo was a wrestler, Gaethje was D1. Iaquinta's a striker but his best performances are against wrestlers/grapplers.

Tavares, RDA, Poirier, and Tibau were all black belts. The fact that there weren't any high-level wrestlers at the top isn't Khabib's fault - they just couldn't make it there.

I will say that WW is much more wrestler-heavy compared to LW (especially in the top 10), and Chimaev getting matched up against one of them is inevitable.
 
Just before everyone says Gaethje is a legit wreslter.. His game doesn't exactly rely on his wrestling. He's a bit like Romero on that department, and Romero has been taken down often..

The only wrestler Khabib faced was Tibau and he arguably lost (maybe a draw)

Fortunately Chimaev won't have favorable matchups for long.. Here come Colby, Usman, Burns... This gonna be good

You will se him against Jack Hermansson in a pure wrestling match in just a couple of weeks. That will be a good first test.
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Just before everyone says Gaethje is a legit wreslter.. His game doesn't exactly rely on his wrestling. He's a bit like Romero on that department, and Romero has been taken down often..

The only wrestler Khabib faced was Tibau and he arguably lost (maybe a draw)

Fortunately Chimaev won't have favorable matchups for long.. Here come Colby, Usman, Burns... This gonna be good
If I remember correctly, RDA took Colby down. You don't think Khamzat will be able to land a takedown on Colby? I think Khamzat beats Colby and maybe easier than people think, The guy is for real.
 
Not all BJJ guys are the same. RDA's game has diminished a lot and he does his best work on top rather than off his back. RDA got subbed twice by cowboy in one night in a grappling match that is fairly recent. Not a knock on cowboy but that isn't the bread and butter skillset he uses to win his fight.
 
Seeing a lot of people mention Trujillo, but he wasn't really a wrestler so much as someone who came from college wrestling. He was primarily a striker in the UFC and would get outgrappled fairly easily.

As a longtime Khabib fan I think it's totally fair to say he hasn't faced someone "known" for high level MMA grappling. He's dominated competent grapplers, but nothing close to a comparison of Usman or Colby. I still think he'd win tougher grappling matchups but it's not an unfair take.
 
Seeing a lot of people mention Trujillo, but he wasn't really a wrestler so much as someone who came from college wrestling. He was primarily a striker in the UFC and would get outgrappled fairly easily.

As a longtime Khabib fan I think it's totally fair to say he hasn't faced someone "known" for high level MMA grappling. He's dominated competent grapplers, but nothing close to a comparison of Usman or Colby. I still think he'd win tougher grappling matchups but it's not an unfair take.
Tibau at LW was a monster. I would say more for dominant wrestling rather than technical grappling though. Tibau won the grappling against Khabib. That part isn't debatable.
 
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