Khalil Rountree Jr's Oblique Kick ........

[campbecc]

The Lithuanian health system, like most others in the developed world, is 10x better than the shitty American one.

Not for people with money or good insurance it isn't. In this case he is in that group because the UFC has to pay for his medical bills by rule of the NSAC.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

You can tap to a leg lock long before anything bad happens. One of those slips through and you could be facing a serious injury before you even know it. I've been heel hooked, toe holed, knee bared, calf slices, ankle locked, etc more times than I can count. Not once have I been injured before I had time to tap.

That's an idiotic comparison.

I would gladly trade oblique kicks for knees to a grounded opponent any day of the week.

That’s a stupid and long winded thing to say.

Apparently you don’t know shit about BJJ, which I am a purple belt and have been practicing for over 11 years. You can 100% lock in a heel hook and twist and MAKE your opponent tap and cause damage before the tap.

That fact that you even said that exposed you as a causal newbie just here looking to start an argument, only you don’t know enough to make a good argument.

 

[ColombianFist]

AWFUL

BE BANGKOK READY BOYS.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

That’s a stupid and long winded thing to say.

Apparently you don’t know shit about BJJ, which I am a purple belt and have been practicing for over 11 years. You can 100% lock in a heel hook and twist and MAKE your opponent tap and cause damage before the tap.

That fact that you even said that exposed you as a causal newbie just here looking to start an argument, only you don’t know enough to make a good argument.

Lol its well known on here that I've been competing in bjj for a long time. Just stop kiddo.

For a supposed purple belt you seem to be struggling with the concept of preemptively tapping. A supposed purple belt should be able to understand that you could easily tap as soon as the grip is established so that they won't crank it. (btw 11 years and only purple? You either didn't train for most of that time or you're deliberately leaving out details in your story)

I can tell when I cannot defend a submission or if it isn't worth the fight and tap preemptively so that I don't get hurt. Anyone above white belt can do that. I can't do that for an oblique kick. If you can't grasp that difference you need to start back at white belt for a hot minute friend.

 

[Letssnuggle]

The only part that bothers me is roundtree already had the right won. This was just unnecessary.

 

[popac]

Virtually every argument in favor of oblique kicks also apply to nut shots.

But it works, it's legal and finishes fights.

Nut shots work and finish fights. They were once legal, until they changed.

how dare he kick that guy when he was trying to punch him1?!

You can nut shot someone as a defense technique It's already done today, even though it's illegal. How dare he kick that guy (in the nuts) when he was trying to punch him?

People have died from punches. Should punches be banned?

Nobody has died from a nut shot. So nut shots should be allowed.

The truth is that whether or not a strike should be banned is largely a subjective matter. It depends on whether you think it's "ugly"/"unsportsmanlike", etc. I think oblique kicks are ugly, but many people I respect think they're cool as fuck. I have no argument against them, we just have different tastes

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After posting this, Twitter recommends me this video lol. Wtf

 

[fractal]

All sports have rules to disallow certain things that "aren't very sporting."

In the NFL, one of the rules involves not climbing on your teammate's back to try to block a kick/punt. It's sporting to jump as high as YOU can; it's not sporting to climb on your teammate's back to get a boost.

In a sport fight, oblique kicking techniques to the knee aren't very sporting.

EDIT: Some put foot stomping in that category, too, but I actually have a soft spot for that because it can dissuade wall-and-stallers.

Why do you think an oblique kick is unsportsmanlike but a knee to the face, or headkick isn't? What makes a move unsportsmanlike?

 

[djason1988]

This was an obvious outlier, so y'all shut up about banning it. Oblique kicks are not new, and tons of fighters have been using them heavily for years, yet this is the first time we've seen a serious one injury from it.

 

[The Schmoop]

Good luck finding an opponent if you keep throwing that shit.

 

[Grill master]

That was brutal. I missed the fight on the weekend and had to see the video.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

This was an obvious outlier, so y'all shut up about banning it. Oblique kicks are not new, and tons of fighters have been using them heavily for years, yet this is the first time we've seen a serious one injury from it.

This is far from the first time.

 

[DRTP91]

Threw it at the perfect time when he was heavy on the lead leg. Probably tore some off his tendons or ligaments.

 

[Azor]

That wasn't a kick, that was a knee stomp, shit inverted his knee.

 

[KingRyan]

Lol its well known on here that I've been competing in bjj for a long time. Just stop kiddo.

For a supposed purple belt you seem to be struggling with the concept of preemptively tapping. A supposed purple belt should be able to understand that you could easily tap as soon as the grip is established so that they won't crank it. (btw 11 years and only purple? You either didn't train for most of that time or you're deliberately leaving out details in your story)

I can tell when I cannot defend a submission or if it isn't worth the fight and tap preemptively so that I don't get hurt. Anyone above white belt can do that. I can't do that for an oblique kick. If you can't grasp that difference you need to start back at white belt for a hot minute friend.

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Can you tell the difference and tap before you get head kicked into the shadow realm which also often comes with damage to your neck/spine/joints!?

 

[TheNinja]

I'm in the camp that says get rid of them.

But I do want knees to head of grounded opponent.

I think most fighters would make that trade as well. I know there are they just bleed guys here that want bloodsport with no rules. But the fact is this is sport fighting. I don't want to see a guy hurt for over a year b/c of a strike.

Take the NFL for example. You really want to piss a player off? Go for his knees. Roll on an offensive or defensive lineman when he's already engaged with another player, or take a shot at his legs and you're likely to get major retaliation. These guys accept blows to the head, car crash like hits, but don't go for their knees. It's dirty and uncalled for.

And I am 100% for heel hooks and leglocks and everything b/c you should be smart enough to tap quickly if caught. the oblique kick just happens so fast.

 

[Blobtheblobfish]

Lol its well known on here that I've been competing in bjj for a long time. Just stop kiddo.

For a supposed purple belt you seem to be struggling with the concept of preemptively tapping. A supposed purple belt should be able to understand that you could easily tap as soon as the grip is established so that they won't crank it. (btw 11 years and only purple? You either didn't train for most of that time or you're deliberately leaving out details in your story)

I can tell when I cannot defend a submission or if it isn't worth the fight and tap preemptively so that I don't get hurt. Anyone above white belt can do that. I can't do that for an oblique kick. If you can't grasp that difference you need to start back at white belt for a hot minute friend.

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Alright, not saying I'm some BJJ expert since I'm just a white belt and I no longer compete, but I do remember very clearly that even attempting 50/50 position in both gi and no-gi matches for BJJ would result in a dq for most tourneys expect for brown/black belt and even then, not many would allow it. Note I live in California and while I've trained under a reputable instructor (Eduardo Fraga, he runs a Gracie gym out of Berkeley), I understand some parts of the US don't follow this ruleset but even then, those gyms that did teach and have tourneys that allowed heel hooks for anything outside of brown/black were frowned upon.

Are you saying that you frequent tourneys that allow heel hooks? What belt are you? Not trying to stir shit, just honestly curious because it is a very dangerous move. I do believe it is different than a kimura for example where the time to tap vs injury is much lower.

 

[DaleBoca]

Some people would be happy with no rules, fight until you can’t fight anymore(Just like they did in the early days). I don’t understand this thirst for carnage.

Get rid of this move. It is basically a KO submission, but you can’t even tap, your knee just goes out and you’re likely going to have serious damage and it is over.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Yeah, the optics of that were really bad. It was unneccessary, too, because Rountree was beating the shit out of him. Bukauskas looked petrified of him, I'd cut him to be honest - that's 3 fights in a row where he's essentially just backpeddled. He's a fairly timid fighter, which is odd because he does have good length and power when he actually decides to use it.

 

[Virtually Identical]

Even while being a fan of one of the best oblique kickers in the game, I can honestly say if you throw that strike you have no respect for your opponents health, safety, or career. I hate that strike. I agree with a poster above me who says it’s a low class strike. It really is

 

[Blobtheblobfish]

Even while being a fan of one of the best oblique kickers in the game, I can honestly say if you throw that strike you have no respect for your opponents health, safety, or career. I hate that strike. I agree with a poster above me who says it’s a low class strike. It really is

Nah it isn't. You can seriously injure somebody with outside leg kicks. Also with punches/kicks/knees to the head that cause trauma. Body strikes over time can break ribs, not exactly good. Submissions too such as heel hooks. I mean, its a fight where you are trying to stop them via violence. That violence isn't exactly improving their health, safety, or career in any way. I just feel that if we ban that strike, why not ban leg kicks since they can inflict similar damage?