Khabib is pretty Overrated atm

[NumbBigToe]

Mysterio...

 

[DInoHeelturnTRS]

Khabib would get smoked by Kevin Lee, Gregor Gillespie, Devonte Smith, and even Cowboy. He was a horrible match up for Mcgregor and Edson , strikers. TFerg would smoke him worst. Al Laquinta tracked him the entire 5 rounds on 2 weeks notice. Every playboi has his day.

 

[DoctorNick]

I love him. Great fighter. Absolutely a fan, take a lot from his style.

I think he's definitely a little overrated atm though.

People are treating him as If he's a god.

He has many holes In his game that the level / styles of his opponents thus far haven't been able to expose.

I could see him losing to Conor, Tony and Kevin Lee.

It just seems like he has many holes In his game that have yet to be exposed and we just don't know enough about him yet to really put him In such high regard.

Kevin Lee is a superior fighter all around than Khabib along with being much younger / having a much higher ceiling and is ridiculously underrated. Yet Khabib is hailed as a god, for beating who exactly?

Great fighter but I feel he has yet to meet someone who's been able to truly expose the glaring holes In his game / style.

25 pages later. You're one of the best in the game MD. Took me years to catch on.

 

[Deadwing88]

Khabib would get smoked by Kevin Lee, Gregor Gillespie, Devonte Smith, and even Cowboy. He was a horrible match up for Mcgregor and Edson , strikers. TFerg would smoke him worst. Al Laquinta tracked him the entire 5 rounds on 2 weeks notice. Every playboi has his day.

 

[7.62x39]

nothing compared to how overrated conor is.....still

 

[dildos]

I love him. Great fighter. Absolutely a fan, take a lot from his style.

I think he's definitely a little overrated atm though.

People are treating him as If he's a god.

He has many holes In his game that the level / styles of his opponents thus far haven't been able to expose.

I could see him losing to Conor, Tony and Kevin Lee.

It just seems like he has many holes In his game that have yet to be exposed and we just don't know enough about him yet to really put him In such high regard.

Kevin Lee is a superior fighter all around than Khabib along with being much younger / having a much higher ceiling and is ridiculously underrated. Yet Khabib is hailed as a god, for beating who exactly?

Great fighter but I feel he has yet to meet someone who's been able to truly expose the glaring holes In his game / style.

how do you feel about him now?

 

[MescalineDreams]

Poirer vs Khabib, would go exactly the same way as Khabib vs McGregor, Barboza etc. A striker is NOT going to be the one to beat Khabib..
Ferguson on the other hand, is terrific off his back, thus he has a decent chance.

Well, Ferg also got mounted by Kevin Lee. I think Khabib still probably nullifies Tony's bottom game, at least In a jiu jitsu sense.

It's the way Tony attacks off the back with Elbows and things that could be tricky to deal with. Stylistically Tony definitely matches up better against Khabib than most.

 

[MescalineDreams]

nothing compared to how overrated conor is.....still

Colin Is probably very underrated at this point more than anything. If you read the comments on this forum, he's a bum who would pretty much lose to anyone In the top 10. Anyone who can wrestle or grapple. He has white belt level grappling and takedown defense and will never win another fight In the UFC.

People who think he's a bum are the majority.

 

[Mixedfights]

nothing compared to how overrated conor is.....still

Can Khabib move up in weight and beat that Champion? Would he even have the balls to stop sending himself to the hospital or going into seizures to try?

 

[WeedLordBonerHitler]

True. Anything can happen in MMA. But if even the best boxer in the world tried to fight Khabib in MMA he would probably get dominated. Good striking has to be combined with excellent TDD to beat Khabib, and IMO nobody he hasn't already beat at LW matches that description.

Meh... Just unlikely man. Like I said, at LW he can only lose (MOST LIKELY) by a close decision. At WW the chances of him getting KO'd increase significantly, especially if it's a striker with great TDD like Woodley.

Ben Askren could definitely match Khabib's wrestling at WW but his striking is worse than Khabib's. Interesting match-up but I don't think it'll happen.

If Khabib went up and took out Woodley I would shit. I would then join the Khabib bandwagon. I think his success is from his skillset along with the fact he can cut so much weight. As we all know, most of being great at UFC is part of how much weight from your natural weight can you drop without dying. All the best fighters can do this. TJ, Holloway, Conor at FW, Khabib at LW, Tyron etc.

 

[BooBoyMan]

If Khabib went up and took out Woodley I would shit. I would then join the Khabib bandwagon. I think his success is from his skillset along with the fact he can cut so much weight. As we all know, most of being great at UFC is part of how much weight from your natural weight can you drop without dying. All the best fighters can do this. TJ, Holloway, Conor at FW, Khabib at LW, Tyron etc.

if khabib defends against tony and then moves up to beat tyron, imo he's on the same level as fedor/gsp/jones/silva.

but damn man i really can't see how he'll beat woodley, literally worst stylistic matchup for him both in LW and WW

 

[Huligani]

If Khabib went up and took out Woodley I would shit. I would then join the Khabib bandwagon. I think his success is from his skillset along with the fact he can cut so much weight. As we all know, most of being great at UFC is part of how much weight from your natural weight can you drop without dying. All the best fighters can do this. TJ, Holloway, Conor at FW, Khabib at LW, Tyron etc.

Khabib has become an average sized LW now. It's crazy how fighters keep getting bigger. He used to be within the top 3 biggest lightweights (Tibau had that title for a long time), but now we've got Kevin Lee and Tony Ferguson who are still smaller than James Vick.

 

[MescalineDreams]

how do you feel about him now?

I think he's Improved a great deal. His boxing has come a LONG way. He used to chase a lot In his clinch attempts with his hands down, chin exposed. It seemed like that would be something that might get him into trouble at some point. But, It looked like him and his team were well aware of this and approached his takedowns In a far more Intelligent way against Conor. Emphasizing low singles and outside shots.


He definitely stepped up his game, filled many of those holes.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's unbeatable even now. Stylistically there are some guys who can give him trouble. We've yet to see him against someone capable of nullifying his takedowns / grappling game. Like a Kevin Lee or another competent wrestler. Tony is an Interesting style matchup. Even Conor isn't someone who you necessarily write off completely In the rematch. As we don't know for sure If that was Conor at his absolute best coming off the Floyd bout and layoff

All In all I think Khabib answered a lot of questions about where he stands and deserves all the respect In the world. It's actually amazing how much his boxing has Improved within a short period of time for me.

 

[WeedLordBonerHitler]

if khabib defends against tony and then moves up to beat tyron, imo he's on the same level as fedor/gsp/jones/silva.

but damn man i really can't see how he'll beat woodley, literally worst stylistic matchup for him both in LW and WW

No doubt man. If Khabib took out Woodley after Tony I would go through my Sherdog account and remove every negative comment I put about Khabib lol

 

[Hardkore]

Don't think proclaiming Khabib to be this unbeatable force when there were still questions would've been any better.

Many of the questions and holes surrounding Khabib were quite valid at the time. Particularly In the striking department and also his tendency of rushing forward with his chin up, hands down In a clinch attempt.

So I'm fine with it. Obviously should've been worded more Intelligently, particularly the title but It Is what it is.

Yea I get where you were going with Kebabs tendencies, but I also think it was overly critiqued especially since his main forte are in the clinch and taking down his opponents and subjecting them to GnP. Sure he does sometimes lead with his chin out, but no one has really hurt him in the stand up and Conrad's power at 155 is greatly exaggerated.

I do think you're generally astute with your opinion regarding mma and fighters' strengths and weaknesses, but in this instance I think your homerism for conrad and disdain for kebab clouded your reasoning.

Kebab's striking did look very rudimentary in the beginning of his mma career, but you could see in the Iquinta fight that he was working on his striking and was evolving. Will he ever get K1 level? Of course not, but with the threat of the TD and a live jab he has demonstrated a credible stand up game. Just my 2 cents

 

[Hardkore]

I think he's Improved a great deal. His boxing has come a LONG way. He used to chase a lot In his clinch attempts with his hands down, chin exposed. It seemed like that would be something that might get him into trouble at some point. But, It looked like him and his team were well aware of this and approached his takedowns In a far more Intelligent way against Conor. Emphasizing low singles and outside shots.


He definitely stepped up his game, filled many of those holes.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's unbeatable even now. Stylistically there are some guys who can give him trouble. We've yet to see him against someone capable of nullifying his takedowns / grappling game. Like a Kevin Lee or another competent wrestler. Tony is an Interesting style matchup. Even Conor isn't someone who you necessarily write off completely In the rematch. As we don't know for sure If that was Conor at his absolute best coming off the Floyd bout and layoff

All In all I think Khabib answered a lot of questions about where he stands and deserves all the respect In the world. It's actually amazing how much his boxing has Improved within a short period of time for me.

Agree about Kevin and Ferg giving him real problems, but kebab is a stylistic mismatch for conrad. Kebab beats him probably 9/10 times

 

[MescalineDreams]

Khabib has become an average sized LW now. It's crazy how fighters keep getting bigger. He used to be within the top 3 biggest lightweights (Tibau had that title for a long time), but now we've got Kevin Lee and Tony Ferguson who are still smaller than James Vick.

I'm not sure Khabib was ever really that big honestly. I've always thought he was relatively average sized as a LW. Even Conor is bigger by a few pounds I think.

Nowadays he has a nutritionist and his body fat % is way lower In the cage though. His diet before probably wasn't Ideal and he went Into fights thicker than necessary.

People reference his walk around weight but that doesn't really mean much. It just means he gets out of shape In between camps.

 

[Hardkore]

Until he fights Tony I can't say. His run at LW has been lacking strong American wrestlers and/or dogs like Tony. Perhaps we'll see it one day. Khabibs style is perfect to beat all LW though and can only see Gillespie or Tony presenting a real challenge.

His running to Conor pissed me off when he said he didnt care about money. After Tony gave him the shot last spring and with thier injury history together. Tony shoulda been next not Conor.

His running from Tony after Conor is pissing me off. First for getting suspended then not doing the required work to come back in 6 months and instead wants to make it a year.

I feel like he's hoping age kicks in on Tony or someone beats Tony so he never has to answer that question.

Lee has no cardio or heart so thats an easy fight for Khabib. Gillespie is really only wrestler I see an issue.

Kevin's problem is mainly fight IQ more than anything else. He was winning the grappling exchanges, he stupidly tried to strike with Al and that drained his gas tank more than the actual wrestling/grappling

 

[Hardkore]

Colin Is probably very underrated at this point more than anything. If you read the comments on this forum, he's a bum who would pretty much lose to anyone In the top 10. Anyone who can wrestle or grapple. He has white belt level grappling and takedown defense and will never win another fight In the UFC.

People who think he's a bum are the majority.

That's why he wants to fight Cowboy instead of the top 5?

 

[MescalineDreams]

Yea I get where you were going with Kebabs tendencies, but I also think it was overly critiqued especially since his main forte are in the clinch and taking down his opponents and subjecting them to GnP. Sure he does sometimes lead with his chin out, but no one has really hurt him in the stand up and Conrad's power at 155 is greatly exaggerated.

I do think you're generally astute with your opinion regarding mma and fighters' strengths and weaknesses, but in this instance I think your homerism for conrad and disdain for kebab clouded your reasoning.

Kebab's striking did look very rudimentary in the beginning of his mma career, but you could see in the Iquinta fight that he was working on his striking and was evolving. Will he ever get K1 level? Of course not, but with the threat of the TD and a live jab he has demonstrated a credible stand up game. Just my 2 cents

Maybe. He was capable of dropping Nate Diaz at 170 pounds. Dropped Eddie a few times. I think what were seeing with Colin right now Is that he's getting better at managing his energy. Where as before he thought he could just go In there, put all his energy Into each punch and get the knockout. Which Is a big reason why he lost the first Nate fight. He's got the power, especially if he lands flush..but It looks like he's far more conscious of how he manages his energy and prepared for the fights to go 5 rounds

Khabib's clinch based takedowns, throws, etc are definitely his strong suit..but It's clear him and his team were aware that approaching takedowns In that way might be risky against someone like Conor, at least early on and made those adjustments. Credit to Khabib and his team, they're obviously highly Intelligent and aware of these things. Against Conor you seen him emphasize those low singles / outside shots transitioned from the boxing.

At the time, I don't think I was that influenced by Conor. I did think that his counter fighting style could be the answer, given the way Khabib has historically been a bit risky In his approach to getting ahold of you. I think I was just annoyed that people seen Khabib as this unbeatable force who would never lose, retire undefeated and all that sort of shit. When It's clear there were still some questions and that stylistically there's a few guys In the top 5 who could give him trouble. But yeah, It's possible maybe I didn't give Kebab enough credit even back then. He definitely stepped up his game

His boxing has come a long way. He's got a strong jab, overhand, decent left hook. Nothing earth shattering but his improvement within a short period of time Is impressive.