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Khabib is pretty Overrated atm

TapMachine said:
fighting a dominant Champ like Woodley is in no way similar to fighting fookin' Eddie.
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Truth.

Woodley has legitimized himself as the WW champ by turning back contender after contender. Alvarez lost badly in his first attempted title defense.
 
Death By Samson said:
Truth.

Woodley has legitimized himself as the WW champ by turning back contender after contender. Alvarez lost badly in his first attempted title defense.
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Woodley will for a while be remembered as lombard duck. Then by 2021 he will never be mentioned again.
 
dog y said:
Woodley will for a while be remembered as lombard duck. Then by 2021 he will never be mentioned again.
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As a champion Woodley has fought against the #1, #1, #2 and #2 contenders.

When he fought the #2 contenders it was only because (a) Lawler still held the #1 ranking after getting knocked out by Woodley and didn't warrant an immediate title rematch over WB and (b) Covington as #1 would not fight due to nasal surgery.

Woodley's legacy is not defined by Lombard.
 
Death By Samson said:
As a champion Woodley has fought against the #1, #1, #2 and #2 contenders.

When he fought the #2 contenders it was only because (a) Lawler still held the #1 ranking after getting knocked out by Woodley and didn't warrant an immediate title rematch over WB and (b) Covington as #1 would not fight due to nasal surgery.

Woodley's legacy is not defined by Lombard.
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Woodley's legacy is that the current Bellator WW champ beat his ass without breaking a sweat. There's some irony right there.
 
Mixedfights said:
Do you think Khabib can beat Wonderboy?
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Yes I do.

I do not think that Khabib can beat Woodley and I do not think that Khabib would fare well at WW overall.

IMO Khabib, as well as WB, would really benefit from the induction of a 165 lbs division. The bigger current WWs would be at 175.

Dirge said:
Woodley's legacy is that the current Bellator WW champ beat his ass without breaking a sweat. There's some irony right there.
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Yes, Woodley did not ride an undefeated record into his title reign. Few have.
 
Dirge said:
Woodley's legacy is that the current Bellator WW champ beat his ass without breaking a sweat. There's some irony right there.
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Wood definitely Improved over the years though. The Rory fight happened before he got with Roufus.

That camp changed up his game quite a bit.

Unfortunately for Rory too, I'm not sure he'll really ever be the same after those wars with Lawler. Those are the kind of fights that can change the course of your career.
 
MescalineDreams said:
Wood definitely Improved over the years though. The Rory fight happened before he got with Roufus.

That camp changed up his game quite a bit.

Unfortunately for Rory too, I'm not sure he'll really ever be the same after those wars with Lawler. Those are the kind of fights that can change the course of your career.
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Sadly I agree. Rory has taken far too much damage. In his fight with Wonderboy, one good jab to the nose and he was messed up for the rest of the fight.

I don't necessarily agree on Woodley improving though. WW is a bit of a wasteland in the UFC and if anything his striking output has dropped dramatically and he rarely if ever shoots for takedowns. It's been a long time since we had a UFC championship fight go to a majority draw primarily due to inactivity. Woodley is surrounded by guys near the end of their careers or simply not very good and that if nothing else has made him look better than he actually is.

Matt Brown had a far more dominant win over Wonderboy than Woodley did (and no draw to boot). Woodley's claim to fame is knocking out a guy with twice as many pro fights as him despite being the same age.

People bitched about GSP not finishing fights and yet Woodley has a championship draw (And the rematch was almost as bad)
 
dog y said:
10lbs of fat at that level is barely doable and certainly more harmful than benefical.
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Maybe

But, the same can be said for many fighters cutting weight and getting down to an extremely low body fat %.

I just don't think Khabib is as big as most people think. He was walking around 163 pounds during fight week. I believe this was against Barboza. That's him cutting weight throughout a long period time of course through proper diet and training

Guys like Max and Ortega would be Khabib sized if they fought at 155. Whether It would be Ideal or not, who knows. Probably not, just given the way Khabib tends to cut weight. He could make it though.
 
MescalineDreams said:
I think when he had his back In the 2nd and 3rd are what drained him more than the striking. iirc he had the body triangle both times?That shit is taxing.
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Possible but he's been grappling/wrestling most of his life, you would think he'd be conditioned for it as opposed to using muscle groups in striking he isnt as familiar with plus getting struck in the face
 
MescalineDreams said:
Maybe

But, the same can be said for many fighters cutting weight and getting down to an extremely low body fat %.

I just don't think Khabib is as big as most people think. He was walking around 163 pounds during fight week. I believe this was against Barboza. That's him cutting weight throughout a long period time of course through proper diet and training

Guys like Max and Ortega would be Khabib sized if they fought at 155. Whether It would be Ideal or not, who knows. Probably not, just given the way Khabib tends to cut weight. He could make it though.
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You don't "cut weight" for a long period of time, you cut weight right before a fight. Cutting weight refers to strictly losing water weight, not simply going on a diet to lose fat. Khabib was walking at 163 during fight week with that water weight still in him, those 163 pounds is how much a lean Khabib weighs. Sadly, Khabib had the tendency of getting fat out of camp and blowing up to 195 out of camp, but now the situation has improved, I think, since he has said he now walks at around 183-185 (same as GSP).
 
TapMachine said:
You don't "cut weight" for a long period of time, you cut weight right before a fight. Cutting weight refers to strictly losing water weight, not simply going on a diet to lose fat. Khabib was walking at 163 during fight week with that water weight still in him, those 163 pounds is how much a lean Khabib weighs. Sadly, Khabib had the tendency of getting fat out of camp and blowing up to 195 out of camp, but now the situation has improved, I think, since he has said he now walks at around 183-185 (same as GSP).
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It's a pretty loose term. The term cutting even In the body building community Is losing weight over a longer period of time through diet, reduction of carbs and certain foods, reduced calories, water flushing, etc. Then you have the water cut just prior to the fight.

Walk around weight Is also different from fight camp weight. Khabib's 185 Is prob a little fat for him.
 
Death By Samson said:
Agree to disagree. Khabib takes him down and grinds him out like Barboza.
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Wonderboy is much bigger and also a very different fighter.


That Barbosa fight was shit. I think Khabib landed like 200 uncontested strikes to the face and Barbosa was just still trying to get him off his legs.

If Woodley cant get Wondreboy down Khabib cant. Its because of his distance and timing as a striker with developed TDD.

Till crushes Khabib. Wonderboy crushes Khabib. Woodley Crushes Khabib.

Come on now
 
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Mixedfights said:
Wonderboy is much bigger and also a very different fighter.


That Barbosa fight was shit. I think Khabib landed like 200 uncontested strikes to the face and Barbosa was just still trying to get him off his legs.
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WB said that he was walking at 182 before Woodley I.

WB is 6'0. Barboza is 5'11 in.

WB's reach is 75'. Barboza's reach is 75'.
 
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Death By Samson said:
WB said that he was walking at 182 before Woodley I.

WB is 6'. Barboza is 5'11.

WB's reach is 75'. Barboza's reach is 75'.
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WB would crush Barbosa. WTF are we even talking about here?

Barbosa is not moving up. I wonder why?
 
Hardkore said:
Possible but he's been grappling/wrestling most of his life, you would think he'd be conditioned for it as opposed to using muscle groups in striking he isnt as familiar with plus getting struck in the face
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doesn't really matter how conditioned you are for it. Body triangle from back control mixed with takedowns will fuck you up pretty hard.

By comparison he probably coulda struck with him for 5 rounds and did fine. He was able to mix up his striking / takedowns against Barboza and went all 5 pretty strong.

I think it was 2 things, Al made him work hard for those takedowns and riding him like that, body triangle and hooks In sapped the shit out of him. It's just a very taxing position. Maybe he was overconfident, thought he could get the choke and overcommitted but Al's counter game was strong.

Looking back he prob would've just held top position and threw punches similar to the Barboza fight.

Beyond It being just Lee's fault though, a big part of their strategy was to make him work, tire him out and come on strong In the championship rounds. Credit to Al n serra
 
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