Khabib is pretty Overrated atm

[Make Sherdog Great Again]

My bad Mang. Sorry.

All good.

 

[Felsh]

Agree. Tony i'd be 100 sure about beating Khabibi but I think Kevin Lee poses problems too. Conor is a tougher pick but I get the feeling rd 2 KO

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

The fact people actually think Barboza is as good or a better striker than Conor is fucking hilarious

I blame Rogan and his obsession with spinning shit and Muay Thai kicks. Barboza went life and death with Felder in a stand up only battle, yet no one was saying Felder is 'the best striker at lightweight EVER!'. His boxing is meh and his kicks are super low percentage, not to mention he has never beat an elite fighter.

 

[Mixedfights]

What exactly was supposed to happen in that situation? Conor gets to keep the belt and do nothing? Khabib was the best available LW fighting the best available other LW they could find.

What should have happened is Khabib destroying the inactive #11.

 

[lsa]

Amazing how badly saying you'd beat a fighter as limited as Chris leben In a fight triggered some people to the point where you actually remember It a year later.. lol.

Dunno where you got the 2nd part.

From your I can beat Chris Leben thread which as a few months ago..
You should try and remember the BS you let out.

 

[Superzorro]

Agreed, bruv. I've noticed guys like you and PROlogic, or even outside Sherdog with MindSmash and Robin Black, get mercilessly ragged on because they like to talk technique and Conor together. It's like if you even try to talk about martial arts on a martial arts forum you are a ball hugger(??). I got respect for anyone that likes this game or supports a fighter, and just don't understand the vitriol and hate for people that do. Better off joining TMZ than Sherdog, sad seeing what's happened to this site since the early 2000's.

Agreed. Both sides are at fault to a certain degree. But from what I've seen, the haters are worse. Most Conor fans will admit that his ground game is not the best. But on the other side, you won't be able to get any of the negative people in this thread to admit that Conor is a good striker. The best you'll get is "he has a good left."

Yah, agreed.

If I'm being honest, the biggest red flag for the pro Conor argument is that Eddie hot this new and improved Conor to the cage. If that happens versus Conor, I think he will be in fuxsville. An other point of contention is how good is Khabib's chin, and I'm willing to wager he had one of those titan Eastern Block type chins, and certainly has a huge looking head. Johnson may have tagged him but it did not phase him at all.

I spose there is decent possibility that Conor keeps the distance, circles away and uses his counter game to piece him apart, but it is a long 25 minutes in there and against the most high level modern MMA grappler I have ever seen. Not even Olympians Cormier, Henry or Yoel can implement their grappling and wrestling like Khabib can. I think Conor knows the task at hand too and has always been wildly complimentary of Khabib before. Props to him for taking this fight, it takes giant cojones to want to fight Khabib - cuz if you lose, you are getting mauled by a bear, no going to sleep quickly. If I were him, I'd rather GSP or Holloway than Khabib.

That's a fair point. Conor is not as awful as people make him out to be. His skills tilt towards striking obviously but he's competent enough all-around in order to keep bringing fights to the area where he's most comfortable. That's what the best MMA fighters are able to do. It's exactly how Khabib makes up for his shortcomings as well.

I like what you guys are doing here. Just ignoring the idiots and just having an honest debate about it. I need to be more like that. They get to me sometimes.

 

[Kobra420]

Not true TS.

He decisioned #11 for real belt.

This #1 BS.

It's his fault, there was nobody to fight him? How many times did his opponent get changed? Your boy should have been defending that night.....

 

[MescalineDreams]

From your I can beat Chris Leben thread which as a few months ago..
You should try and remember the BS you let out.

I remember It quite clearly. Might've been In January? I dunno. Something like that.

I stand by that comment quite confidently by the way.

not that It matters

You can let me think what I want and you can think what you want. At the end of the day you don't know me or my level of ability so It's just pointless arguing.

no offence to Chris leben, but I don't think It's much of a claim.

but it's a silly thing to say on an Internet forum, regardless of how true It may be..so It is what it is.

 

[LouisBolanos]

Can you make a UFC branded dermaroller?

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Conor has a puncher chance that's it. Conor is just too dangerous like Cain and Cormier. Relentless pace.

 

[lsa]

I remember It quite clearly. Might've been In January? I dunno. Something like that.

I stand by that comment quite confidently by the way.

not that It matters

You can let me think what I want and you can think what you want. At the end of the day you don't know me or my level of ability so It's just pointless arguing.

So.... dont comment then.
I was not quoting you anyway.

 

[Source]

I've said It many times actually.

The way Khabib moves forward with his chin down is very reckless, he leaves many holes In his defence that his opponents thus far haven't been able to capitalize on In a meaningful way. Many of his takedowns tend to be very clinch based, which can be very risky against someone like Conor who controls the distance / frames very well and counters very well moving backwards.

I would expect Khabib to drill a lot of singles and shots from the outside for this particular opponent.

He has definitely been tightening up his boxing and It appears he's not coming In quite as reckless as he's been In the past. Still, It's still an Issue and not one he can afford to do against a style like Conor.

Khabib definitely has a few holes In his game and he's yet to face the style of opponent / level of competition who's been able to expose It thus far.

my friend, you see things a certain way. You cannot see past your own nose. Everyone Is going to seem like a "ball gargler" who doesn't see things the way you do. That's the way you operate. It's a person who has no sense of objectivity or acknowledgement of the middle point when It comes to quantifying truth.

I can assure you that nothing I do Is obvious to someone like you. You only think It is.

You see what you see and you're not Interested in looking beyond that for the most part. You're unwavering.

What a complete load of bullshit. More fake analysis. Saying he reckless with his chin down is the best you have? That’s his hole? Well I’m sure someone like RDA should have exploited such a glaring hole. Let’s not forget you said Kevin lee is a more complete fighter than Khabib. You mean the Kevin lee that’s been stopped in several fights, and was almost KOed by Edson.

You’re such an insecure clown. Not to mention an insufferable asshole. There is nothing about you that is special in anyway. Get over yourself.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Yah, agreed.

If I'm being honest, the biggest red flag for the pro Conor argument is that Eddie hot this new and improved Conor to the cage. If that happens versus Conor, I think he will be in fuxsville. An other point of contention is how good is Khabib's chin, and I'm willing to wager he had one of those titan Eastern Block type chins, and certainly has a huge looking head. Johnson may have tagged him but it did not phase him at all.

I spose there is decent possibility that Conor keeps the distance, circles away and uses his counter game to piece him apart, but it is a long 25 minutes in there and against the most high level modern MMA grappler I have ever seen. Not even Olympians Cormier, Henry or Yoel can implement their grappling and wrestling like Khabib can. I think Conor knows the task at hand too and has always been wildly complimentary of Khabib before. Props to him for taking this fight, it takes giant cojones to want to fight Khabib - cuz if you lose, you are getting mauled by a bear, no going to sleep quickly. If I were him, I'd rather GSP or Holloway than Khabib.

lmao yeah dude has a huge head.

and McG will almost certainly get into Khabib's huge head - but I think that will manifest in press conferences and outside-the-cage brawls/other problems. I imagine when the cage door closes Khabib is going to just press for TD's. He won't be trying to strike much. He knows how to win a fight and his automatic instincts will kick in.

I have a hard time believing this fight will go the full 25 mins. Conor has two rounds to send Khabib home otherwise he's finished IMO. He will go all out too.

As for preferring to GSP over Khabib, I suppose only time will tell. GSP is VERY disciplined. He will keep to a strategy extremely faithfully. There is an outside chance Khabib gets angry and attempts something stupid against Conor. Then again, Georges is old and French Canadian chins aren't built like soviet tank factories the way Dagestani chins are...

If Conor straight up beats Khabib, with no stupidity from Khabib, simply by keeping distance and landing good shots... fuck man I don't know if GSP will even still be interested in that fight...!

 

[Ruthless_swag]

I love him. Great fighter. Absolutely a fan, take a lot from his style.

I think he's definitely a little overrated atm though.

People are treating him as If he's a god.

He has many holes In his game that the level / styles of his opponents thus far haven't been able to expose.

I could see him losing to Conor, Tony and Kevin Lee.

It just seems like he has many holes In his game that have yet to be exposed and we just don't know enough about him yet to really put him In such high regard.

Kevin Lee is a superior fighter all around than Khabib along with being much younger / having a much higher ceiling and is ridiculously underrated. Yet Khabib is hailed as a god, for beating who exactly?

Great fighter but I feel he has yet to meet someone who's been able to truly expose the glaring holes In his game / style.

kevin lee gets rocked in every fight. he has a glass jaw. he is not that good at all.

 

[Kobra420]

Yah, I think he's gotta be trolling. Atleast ArmBarbarian admits he just like trolling Conor fans and is a secret fan himself. I don't know how someone can know what Sherdog.com is and think Conor is a shit fighter that miraculously became a champ champ, beating some of the best P4P fighters out there, by having them run chin first in to his fist..,,,,,or maybe people are just that dumb????

I own my shit, you Conor Fanboys don't...His first belt got stripped for him being inactive while healthy. He was only allowed to hold it for marketing purposes. He never fought to contention, like Khabib did. Speaking of the retarded P4P list, after DJ's first loss in how long, from a close fight he never got smashed in, dropped him down to 6th, and guess what? Conor, not having fought in two years, moved up to second place during the same time period. I agree, it seems like there is a lot of dumb people out there.

 

[MescalineDreams]

What a complete load of bullshit. More fake analysis. Saying he reckless with his chin down is the best you have? That’s his hole? Well I’m sure someone like RDA should have exploited such a glaring hole.

You’re such an insecure clown. Not to mention an insufferable asshole. There is nothing about you that is special in anyway. Get over yourself.

Like always, you speak but say absolutely nothing of substance. My breakdown(If you actually have the reading comprehension) was quite close to the truth and not far from what many fighters have also said In regards to his style.

Move along you perpetually angry manchild

leave the analysis to people who actually understand MMA and aren't Interested In spewing their toxic bullshit and projecting their hearts out

 

[Source]

Like always, you speak but say absolutely nothing of substance.

Move along you perpetually angry manchild

leave the analysis to people who actually understand MMA and aren't Interested In spewing their toxic bullshit and projecting their hearts out

Ironically I’ve been saying the same thing about you throughout this thread. Youre a fraud because your analysis was bullshit.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Ironically I’ve been saying the same thing about you throughout this thread. Youre a fraud because your analysis was bullshit.

And you know analysis? with your massive amount of training and experience I'm sure.

In all the threads I've ever seen you in, I haven't seen you say one useful thing.

You provide literally nothing with substance.

You just argue. You're always Angry. You're always toxic. You're always being a hater. You can never see another side of things / another person's perspective. Only your own.

You're also projecting, heavily.

All of which, you can't even see. You're blind to it all.

Can't help but feel bad for people who see the world In such a distorted way and wont ever admit It. It's always other people to blame.

Can never acknowledge your side of things and the holes In the way that YOU see the world.

You're a grown manchild.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

I like what you guys are doing here. Just ignoring the idiots and just having an honest debate about it. I need to be more like that. They get to me sometimes.

Dude, it's tough not to take the troll bait tho! I just come in here looking to talk MMA in an MMA forum and I get attacked, called an idiot, ball hugger and fool.

Aren't we so excited for this fight because both guys are so high level? Conor is the most exciting thing to happen to MMA in decades, yet, I've picked against him in every fight except for Nate at 196 - I learned my lesson that I have definitely under rated the guy and have been missing something. I always thought he would be champ when I saw him blow thru Buchinger like he was in the Matrix, but just thought he needed more time, that two years would be way too fast. Dude proved me wrong tho, and has had two years off to refresh, get healthy and work on his total game. And if you look at his early fights, he made some of the most progress I've ever yet seen in a fighter; going from a straight gun slinging Chuck style brawler to a refined and complete martial artist that out grappled BJJ black belt Brandao and put a clinic on Holloway. It's just childish to doubt that.

It's gonna be a fun fight, that should be good enough, with technical stuff to talk about all day, but you definitely can get pulled in to the idiots just looking to be hater trolls. And this is why I say, the haters are by far the scourge of Sherdog - obsessed to unhealthy degrees and just negative people (funny trolls not included).

 

[Superzorro]

Jesus christ, what is that? Is that how people do blood letting these days?