Elections Kamala Harris indicates she might run again

[UberHere]

A very well thought out structured partisan American post. You make me feel very proud to be American.

My initial reply was correct and he addressed none of it. Would you care to?

Or should we just move on to your concession?

 

[fingercuffs]

My initial reply was correct and he addressed none of it. Would you care to?

Or should we just move on to your concession?

What concession? Your response was bar room "fuck off" ungentlemanly rubbish.

 

[Alpha_T83]

They should have run a proper DEMOCRATic primary process and let the people decide.

The whole thing is a hot mess on all sides and had been for about a decade.

I haven't honestly followed it closely enough but it felt to me like Bernie Sanders got fucked over pretty good.... especially if you consider that they wound up with Kamala as she was not even a little bit competitive with Bernie as I recall when the two of them were in polls together.

It's a big mess.

They couldn't though. That's the problem.

They followed US political norms and allowed Biden to make the decision to run for re-election early on in 2019. And then Biden declined fairly substantially between 2019 and 2020, and it became obvious that he was no longer mentally fit to run for election.

You do realize that full primary cycles take 18 to 24 months, right? JUST the actual voting stage of the primary, state by state, takes a minimum of 5 months (MINIMUM) to certify a presidential candidate. Forget all the time it takes for candidates to declare their intent to run for president, all the campaigning, the debates, and then the lead up to the primary voting.

When Biden dropped out in July 2024, there were only 4 months until the November elections, and that was already US presidential campaign season, meaning there was literally zero time to hold a proper DNC primary style selection. It is pure fantasy for anyone to believe the Democrats had a chance to hold a primary once Biden dropped out.

Again, the real issue was that Biden should have realized in early 2019 that he was a 1-term president, and stepped aside to allow the DNC to hold a proper primary.

 

[UberHere]

What concession? Your response was bar room "fuck off" ungentlemanly rubbish.

How about the initial reply I made to him where I countered it wasn’t all on Biden? He didn’t address that either. So again, would you care to?

 

[UberHere]

They couldn't though. That's the problem.

They followed US political norms and allowed Biden to make the decision to run for re-election early on in 2019. And then Biden declined fairly substantially between 2019 and 2020, and it became obvious that he was no longer mentally fit to run for election.

You do realize that full primary cycles take 18 to 24 months, right? JUST the actual voting stage of the primary, state by state, takes a minimum of 5 months (MINIMUM) to certify a presidential candidate. Forget all the time it takes for candidates to declare their intent to run for president, all the campaigning, the debates, and then the lead up to the primary voting.

When Biden dropped out in July 2024, there were only 4 months until the November elections, and that was already US presidential campaign season, meaning there was literally zero time to hold a proper DNC primary style selection. It is pure fantasy for anyone to believe the Democrats had a chance to hold a primary once Biden dropped out.

Again, the real issue was that Biden should have realized in early 2019 that he was a 1-term president, and stepped aside to allow the DNC to hold a proper primary.

Why should Biden have realized that but not the rest of the DNC? They all simultaneously dropped out of the 2020 primary to endorse him.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Why should Biden have realized that but not the rest of the DNC? They all simultaneously dropped out of the 2020 primary to endorse him.

Because in early 2023 when Biden made the decision, he wasn't as demented as 18 months later when he pulled out?

And again, US norms give sitting presidents the choice to run for a 2nd term. The DNC followed US norms and allowed Biden to make that choice. It turned out to be a bad one. You're expecting them to be fortune tellers and realize that Biden would decline dramatically between January 2023 and July 2024.

EDIT: Sorry I made a mistake here. I'm talking about the 2023-2024 election cycle, but I said 2019-2020. My bad.

 

[UberHere]

Because in early 2019 when Biden made the decision, he wasn't as demented as 18 months later when he pulled out?

And again, US norms give sitting presidents the choice to run for a 2nd term. The DNC followed US norms and allowed Biden to make that choice. It turned out to be a bad one. You're expecting them to be fortune tellers and realize that Biden would decline dramatically between January 2019 and July 2020.

That’s a poor argument. He wasn’t as demented? Do you hear yourself? Would you give someone just a little demented the keys to your car then blame him when he doesn’t come back with it?

If the opposition could tell he was demented, you know they could to.

 

[MetalMilitia]

No, it's Biden's fault. Stop trying to manufacture partisan rhetoric and blindly attack the Democrats.

The DNC followed US norms and allowed the President to decide whether to run for a 2nd term or not. However, after Biden made that decision it became obvious that his health wasn't going to allow that. The DNC then did not have proper time to run a primary, and they held an emergency session with top Democrats and picked Harris.

They did the best they could have in a bad situation.

You are the one putting on bullshit revisionist history to suit your narrative, because you just want to attack the Democrats rather than Biden -- because Biden is now retired and attacking him doesn't suit your agenda anymore.

"The DNC followed norms" -- Sure -- if scrambling to salvage an election after your candidate visibly ran out of battery life counts as a "norm".

The Biden withdrawal didn’t trigger a graceful handoff -- it triggered a fuckin' stopwatch (and spending spree, let's not forget the $1.5 billion dollar blitz for 15 weeks) -- The DNC shoved Harris through a delegate roll call before the convention -- technically legal -- but holy shit, was it politically desperate.

You must have missed the headline from 2 days ago though -- Obama’s reaction to Nancy Pelosi’s ‘surprise’ endorsement of Kamala Harris revealed: ‘What the f–k did you just do? (Linky)

 

[Alpha_T83]

That’s a poor argument. He wasn’t as demented? Do you hear yourself? Would you give someone just a little demented the keys to your car then blame him when he doesn’t come back with it?

Firstly, I made a mistake saying 2019-2020 but we are talking about 2023-2024.

Secondly, do you hear yourself? People decline over time. In January 2023 Biden wasn't as cognitively impaired as he was in July 2024. Not only do people with dementia get worse over time, but they can often hide the true severity of their mental decline before things get truly bad.

I think in January 2023, Biden knew how bad his dementia was, but he was taking steps to hide it from those around him, out of sheer pride. Sure, there were probably signs, but enough for the DNC to step in and refuse to allow him to run for re-election?

You are talking about an unprecedented situation where a US president was, most likely, taking active steps to hide his cognitive decline, rather than simply step down early like Ronald Reagan did. There is no playbook for how to handle this situation. In retrospect, Biden probably should have been removed as president in 2019, as he was likely unfit for office at that time. Then the DNC could have held a proper primary for the 2024 US presidential election. But Biden wasn't cooperating, which made the whole situation difficult.

 

[Alpha_T83]

"The DNC followed norms" -- Sure -- if scrambling to salvage an election after your candidate visibly ran out of battery life counts as a "norm".

The Biden withdrawal didn’t trigger a graceful handoff -- it triggered a fuckin' stopwatch (and spending spree, let's not forget the $1.5 billion dollar blitz for 15 weeks) -- The DNC shoved Harris through a delegate roll call before the convention -- technically legal -- but holy shit, was it politically desperate.

You must have missed the headline from 2 days ago though -- Obama’s reaction to Nancy Pelosi’s ‘surprise’ endorsement of Kamala Harris revealed: ‘What the f–k did you just do? (Linky)

OK genius, what would you have done?

Propose to me what you would have done if you were the DNC. And I will fucking shred your idiotic idea, whatever you propose.

You are making decisions for the DNC in late July 2024, and Biden has just officially withdrawn from running for president. You now have less than 4 months to do something before the November 2024 elections. You tell me what you would have done, and give me realistic timelines for how long you think each step would take. Then I will explain to you why whatever you propose is impossible.

 

[UberHere]

Firstly, I made a mistake saying 2019-2020 but we are talking about 2023-2024.

Secondly, do you hear yourself? People decline over time. In January 2023 Biden wasn't as cognitively impaired as he was in July 2024. Not only do people with dementia get worse over time, but they can often hide the true severity of their mental decline before things get truly bad.

I think in January 2023, Biden knew how bad his dementia was, but he was taking steps to hide it from those around him, out of sheer pride. Sure, there were probably signs, but enough for the DNC to step in and refuse to allow him to run for re-election?

You are talking about an unprecedented situation where a US president was, most likely, taking active steps to hide his cognitive decline, rather than simply step down early like Ronald Reagan did. There is no playbook for how to handle this situation. In retrospect, Biden probably should have been removed as president in 2019, as he was likely unfit for office at that time. Then the DNC could have held a proper primary for the 2024 US presidential election. But Biden wasn't cooperating, which made the whole situation difficult.

An unprecedented situation they created. Again…. Every Democrat in the primary in 2020 dropped out to endorse Biden who was already showing signs of dementia. All the talking heads on the MSM dismissed that as Republican talking points. The reason they did that is because Biden was polling highest against Trump: they should’ve let the primary play out, but they were short sighted. If Biden had actually won the primary then you’d have a point, but that’s not what happened: But go ahead and keep towing the DNC line that he’s to blame. He was complicit so he’s not blame free, but the DNC shot thensekves in the foot

Aldo listen to yourself again. You’re saying someone with severe dementia knows how bad their dementia is. Just lol

 

[Alpha_T83]

An unprecedented situation they created. Again…. Every Democrat in the primary in 2020 dropped out to endorse Biden who was already showing signs of dementia. All the talking heads on the MSM dismissed that as Republican talking points. The reason they did that is because Biden was polling highest against Trump: they should’ve let the primary play out, but they were short sighted. If Biden had actually won the primary then you’d have a point, but that’s not what happened: But go ahead and keep towing the DNC line that he’s to blame. He was complicit so he’s not blame free, but the DNC shot thensekves in the foot

"They" didn't create it.

Biden did. Biden was the only one that knew the true state of his cognitive decline. And unlike Reagan, he chose to not make a graceful exit. Reagan exited early, allowing George Bush Sr. to run in and win a primary for the 1992 election. This was because Reagan's graceful decision allowed the time for that.

Biden couldn't accept that he was a 1-term president, and that's on him.

 

[UberHere]

"They" didn't create it.

Biden did. Biden was the only one that knew the true state of his cognitive decline. And unlike Reagan, he chose to not make a graceful exit.

Dude you’re clueless. People with dementia don’t know how bad they are. You’ve gotta force them to stop driving and into assisted living.

Are you 12?

This is the insight of the typical Democrat voter these days

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

One of my former co workers was employed in her office when she was in Sacramento and said her
nickname was "Heels in the Air Harris" due to her many afternoon "meetings" with wealthy men in her
"lounge."

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Honestly, I don't even know. I hate most prominent members of either part. Maybe someone like Booker?

- The five time champion? Man, canot wait to see a wrestling legend in the White House! Sucka!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

One of my former co workers was employed in her office when she was in Sacramento and said her
nickname was "Heels in the Air Harris" due to her many afternoon "meetings" with wealthy men in her
"lounge."

- I read she was horrible all around

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

- The five time champion? Man, canot wait to see a wrestling legend in the White House! Sucka!

Gotta point to the White House like it is the Wreslemania sign

 

[Alpha_T83]

Dude you’re clueless. People with dementia don’t know how bad they are. You’ve gotta force them to stop driving and into assisted living.

Are you 12?

This is the insight of the typical Democrat voter these days

What you are talking about is called anosognosia. And that happens once the disease progresses to more severe states. But early on in dementia, patients are aware of their cognitive decline. They notice difficulty remembering names or words, they notice that they repeat themselves (especially if watching recordings of themselves), they rely more heavily on notes/prompts, etc.

Biden would not have had anosognosia in 2020-2022. He would have been facing that early decline. And he obviously chose to hide his decline as much as possible from the people around him, because if he was honest about his challenges, he likely would have been forced to step down like Ronald Reagan chose to. Had Biden stepped down in 2023, the Democrats could have held a proper primary, like George Bush Sr. did in 1991-92.

You're so far out of your depth it's not even funny.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

- I read she was horrible all around

I heard she was at her best on her back.

 

[UberHere]

What you are talking about is called anosognosia. And that happens once the disease progresses to more severe states. But early on in dementia, patients are aware of their cognitive decline. They notice difficulty remembering names or words, they notice that they repeat themselves (especially if watching recordings of themselves), they rely more heavily on notes/prompts, etc.

Biden would not have had anosognosia in 2020-2022. He would have been facing that early decline. And he obviously chose to hide his decline as much as possible from the people around him, because if he was honest about his challenges, he likely would have been forced to step down like Ronald Reagan chose to. Had Biden stepped down in 2023, the Democrats could have held a proper primary, like George Bush Sr. did in 1991-92.

You're so far out of your depth it's not even funny.

He was already pretty bad in 2020. Part of what I do for a living is evaluate cognitive decline. You’re just a hack. There were articles written back then pointing out those concerns and the MSM hacks and White House propagandists blew it off as right wing talking points. The only one out of your depth is you. You’re just like the rest of the rats in the DNC putting it all on Biden and KJP while excusing thrnsekves