Just how good... is Ilia Topuria?

[Hdfi]

Good enough to be #1 P4P atm. Undefeated, 2-division champion and his best wins are aging well.

 

[Söze Aldo]

He's still gay and lame and copied conor's tattoos like a little fanboy bitch

Copying your tattoos and whole image from a random male model is arguably a bit gayer

 

[Black Blood]

He's pretty good.

 

[FrappeDuRocma]

AV checks

Walmart Ferguson.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Copying your tattoos and whole image from a random male model is arguably a bit gayer

Conor is obviously gay who cares? Ilia is still gay for copying Conor regardless of who Conor copied

 

[uff]

You're right. There are no good wins. Just bad opponents.

Don't be a smartass, Gamrot is really a mid fighter, look at his past fights? the ones he won he always scraped by the skin of his fucking teeth, I stand by my take, "teh quastion isn't how good is Topuria, but how bad is Gamrot(i would go even as far how much worse than i previously thought)

 

[chinarice]

GSP and Anderson Silva stumbled along the way until they got it together and had legendary runs. They weren’t can’t miss prospects.


I’m not saying Shogun had a better career, I’m saying he was a generational prospect until injuries derailed his career.

He lost to a lesser fighter than GSP did while being a "prospect". You're wrong but it's ok. Consider this a learning experience.

GSP lost to Matt Hughes, #1 ranked P4P fighter in MMA at the time.

Shogun lost to Renato "Babalu" Sobral in his 5th MMA fight..... GSP lost his 7th against the #1 fighter in MMA at the time. He also lost to Mark Coleman while still on the rise. GSP had his final loss of his career around that same time.

Their careers were kind of similar but GSP was clearly better from start to finish. Both these guys are in my top5 all-time favourite fighters so I have no desire to diminish either of their careers.

 

[Hotora86]

hot take: pretty good

 

[RockyLockridge]

he's basically the goat of mma already

 

[TOMFDJYEDH]

Tremendous fighter. His record and who he's beat speaks for itself.

Paddy could possibly give him a tough fight though as much as people laugh at the idea. Genuinely, huge lw, granite chin, unorthodox rangy Striking, and a very high level grappler.

Once he knocks Gaethje out cold which is a joke of a matchup, I really hope this fight happens, depending if paddy beats whoever next.

The build up and fight itself would be fireworks.

 

[Fact Checker]

He lost to a lesser fighter than GSP did while being a "prospect". You're wrong but it's ok. Consider this a learning experience.

GSP lost to Matt Hughes, #1 ranked P4P fighter in MMA at the time.

Shogun lost to Renato "Babalu" Sobral in his 5th MMA fight..... GSP lost his 7th against the #1 fighter in MMA at the time. He also lost to Mark Coleman while still on the rise. GSP had his final loss of his career around that same time.

Their careers were kind of similar but GSP was clearly better from start to finish. Both these guys are in my top5 all-time favourite fighters so I have no desire to diminish either of their careers.

Why are you getting so defensive? I take it you’re Canadian.


Let me start by saying I’m unbiased and can easily say GSP had the better overall career and should rightfully be higher in the GOAT rankings.


That being said my argument is that he never had a stretch like Shoguns in 2005, where he just looked like a freak talent and squashed elite fighters in the toughest division in MMA at the time. Dude was flying around like a HL reel with the sub attempt transitions to takedowns to KO’s. It was wild.

You also said you don’t want to diminish either guys career but then disingenuously discredit Shogun for losing the Coleman fight conveniently omitting Shoguns lost that fight in a freak accident posting his arm during a takedown attempt. It was the first of many injuries which later cut his prime short… Not an attack but the obvious retort people would counter is GSP losing in his prime to a journeyman Matt Serra in embarrassing fashion.


I still don’t think there’s anyone in the tier of generational prospects like Jones, Khamzat and Topuria where you just saw them coming up as relative unknowns and knew they were going to be special. 2005 Shogun had a stretch and was the closest. Maybe Fedor?

 

[chinarice]

Why are you getting so defensive? I take it you’re Canadian.


Let me start by saying I’m unbiased and can easily say GSP had the better overall career and should rightfully be higher in the GOAT rankings.


That being said my argument is that he never had a stretch like Shoguns in 2005, where he just looked like a freak talent and squashed elite fighters in the toughest division in MMA at the time. Dude was flying around like a HL reel with the sub attempt transitions to takedowns to KO’s. It was wild.

You also said you don’t want to diminish either guys career but then disingenuously discredit Shogun for losing the Coleman fight conveniently omitting Shoguns lost that fight in a freak accident posting his arm during a takedown attempt. It was the first of many injuries which later cut his prime short… Not an attack but the obvious retort people would counter is GSP losing in his prime to a journeyman Matt Serra in embarrassing fashion.


I still don’t think there’s anyone in the tier of generational prospects like Jones, Khamzat and Topuria where you just saw them coming up as relative unknowns and knew they were going to be special. 2005 Shogun had a stretch and was the closest. Maybe Fedor?

lol @ getting so defensive because someone pointed out factually correct things to you.

I get it, you're an anti-canadian guy but don't cry when someone corrects you. Just say you know what, you're right and move on.

The fact you even mention the "Freak accident" as some way of diminishing Coleman's win tells me you're not a real MMA fan. Just a biased fanboy. Nothing more to discuss with me until you decide to be an actual fan.

 

[DumpsterBaby]

On a scale of 1-10?

Handsome.

 

[empsim]

I think he is #1 right now.

Clean and fast striking, mixed with one shot KO power and elite grappling.

We really haven't seen him come close to losing except when he ran face first into kick against a bigger fighter. Even then he recovered and sent him to the shadow realm shortly after.

He needs several more fights to enter the GOAT discussion though.

 

[Greyscale]

He just destroyed 3 legends in a row. Hardly broke a sweat in process. Gotta be damn good.

 

[KO Shotz]

I mean he's in the convo as the best in the game right now. It's really hard to pin point who is the best of the best in the game right now between Ilia, Pereira, Chimaev, Islam, & Merab.

I mean if Ilia didn't sleep both Volk & Max Holloway they would be in this discussion too.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Rightful P4P number 1 fighter in the world IMO.

 

[PaulieVegas27]

He sucks.

Come on man, what kind of question is that.