Law Judge Hannah Dugan arrested by FBI for allegedly helping undocumented immigrant 'evade arrest'

[AbominableJoman]

Leftards love defending thugs….

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Virtually every court I know of has this option.

So no, I don't think it was an evil ICE-hating note. And even if it was, a taped piece of paper is utterly irrelevant to the charges against her. She could have taped a poster-sized message reading "ICE can suck my fucking dick," and zero laws would have been broken.

But I guess if we're celebrating the 4th Amendment being violated, might as well cheer for wiping our ass with the 1st Amendment as well.

I don't believe I saw it our local courthouse the last time I was there. But if it's such a regular thing you'd think that there would be a legit sign made; not just a note.

Regardless, I never said it was illegal; only that it pisses all over the notion that she was just haplessy indifferent to the situation and that others exit through the jury room.

Bitch didn't even tell the DA that she wasn't calling the case.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Virtually every court I know of has this option.

So no, I don't think it was an evil ICE-hating note. And even if it was, a taped piece of paper is utterly irrelevant to the charges against her. She could have taped a poster-sized message reading "ICE can suck my fucking dick," and zero laws would have been broken.

But I guess if we're celebrating the 4th Amendment being violated, might as well cheer for wiping our ass with the 1st Amendment as well.

Plus, this wife beater had already been deported by Obama.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

She came from the bench and escorted him and his lawyer into the jury room. So yes escorted.

You're wasting your time argueing with these lefties. They love playing mental gymnastics.

 

[Darkballs]

I don't believe I saw it our local courthouse the last time I was there.

I meant the option to appear remotely is a rather common thing now.

I mean, what exactly is your objection? Do you interpret that note to be somehow directed at ICE? That this somehow shows the judges bias? None of what you're bringing up has any bearing on whether or not she should have been arrested. We already have video of these interaction. The judge is doing nothing more than being a typical judge in this situation. The feds showed up with the wrong warrant. The judge, and lets emphasize this again, the judge BEING CORRECT IN HER INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW, told the feds that they had the wrong warrant and to come back with a judicial one. Then the guy left out the back door. Then the guy got arrested outside the building.

Now if you are going to keep defending the feds here, then spell it out, in your own words, where exactly the obstruction is supposed to have occurred. She didn't prevent an arrest. She told the guys to come back with the correct warrant.

What amazes me is how easy it is to watch you fall for the play, thats a really obvious play. They take a guy who's very likely, an piece of shit who we wouldn't have sympathy for. And they specifically target someone like that, to nip away at his Constitutional rights, because they know that there are people like you who will ignore the bigger picture (the constitutional violation) and focus on the victims shitty character instead. We know you do this because you post completely legally irrelevant stuff like:

Plus, this wife beater had already been deported by Obama.

And just like that, they've got their foot in the door. They've got you to go along with violating the Constitution because you don't personally like the guy their fucking over. So you go along. And you never look at the bigger picture.

 

[Andy Capp]

I meant the option to appear remotely is a rather common thing now.

I mean, what exactly is your objection? Do you interpret that note to be somehow directed at ICE? That this somehow shows the judges bias? None of what you're bringing up has any bearing on whether or not she should have been arrested. We already have video of these interaction. The judge is doing nothing more than being a typical judge in this situation. The feds showed up with the wrong warrant. The judge, and lets emphasize this again, the judge BEING CORRECT IN HER INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW, told the feds that they had the wrong warrant and to come back with a judicial one. Then the guy left out the back door. Then the guy got arrested outside the building.

Now if you are going to keep defending the feds here, then spell it out, in your own words, where exactly the obstruction is supposed to have occurred. She didn't prevent an arrest. She told the guys to come back with the correct warrant.

What amazes me is how easy it is to watch you fall for the play, thats a really obvious play. They take a guy who's very likely, an piece of shit who we wouldn't have sympathy for. And they specifically target someone like that, to nip away at his Constitutional rights, because they know that there are people like you who will ignore the bigger picture (the constitutional violation) and focus on the victims shitty character instead. We know you do this because you post completely legally irrelevant stuff like:



And just like that, they've got their foot in the door. They've got you to go along with violating the Constitution because you don't personally like the guy their fucking over. So you go along. And you never look at the bigger picture.

Well put. It doesn't amaze me that he's fallen for it, though. He REALLY wants to.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I meant the option to appear remotely is a rather common thing now.

I mean, what exactly is your objection? Do you interpret that note to be somehow directed at ICE? That this somehow shows the judges bias? None of what you're bringing up has any bearing on whether or not she should have been arrested. We already have video of these interaction. The judge is doing nothing more than being a typical judge in this situation. The feds showed up with the wrong warrant. The judge, and lets emphasize this again, the judge BEING CORRECT IN HER INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW, told the feds that they had the wrong warrant and to come back with a judicial one. Then the guy left out the back door. Then the guy got arrested outside the building.

Now if you are going to keep defending the feds here, then spell it out, in your own words, where exactly the obstruction is supposed to have occurred. She didn't prevent an arrest. She told the guys to come back with the correct warrant.

What amazes me is how easy it is to watch you fall for the play, thats a really obvious play. They take a guy who's very likely, an piece of shit who we wouldn't have sympathy for. And they specifically target someone like that, to nip away at his Constitutional rights, because they know that there are people like you who will ignore the bigger picture (the constitutional violation) and focus on the victims shitty character instead. We know you do this because you post completely legally irrelevant stuff like:

1- I interpret that note to be directed at illegals and that the bullshit about the judge just routinely following the law is just that - bull shit.


2- Everyone has already agreed - including the judge - that the warrant was the correct and valid warrant which allowed them to arrest the illegal in a public area.

She wasn't happy when the officer told her that the leeway was a public space, but she doesn't get to make up laws.

3- I've spelled it out. She knew there was a valid arrest warrant that would be served in the hallway. So she canceled the hearing (without even telling the DA) and came down from the bench to escort this criminal and his lawyer into a private area (the jury room).

That is call hindering and aiding and abetting. Pretty spicy for a judge, but most of them think they can do whatever they want so not really surprising.

And just like that, they've got their foot in the door. They've got you to go along with violating the Constitution because you don't personally like the guy their fucking over. So you go along. And you never look at the bigger picture.

The pos already had due process. He was kicked out of the country in 2013, but to the bigger point of your own stupid argument is that this judge tried to stop due process.

Instead of him being detained and taken before an immigration judge (which is due process and what would have happened) she decided to try and sneak him out away from the waiting officers.

So no, ICE wasn't violating the Constitution

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Well put. It doesn't amaze me that he's fallen for it, though. He REALLY wants to.

I'll post it again since you guys don't seem to understand what due process is:

The pos already had due process. He was kicked out of the country in 2013, but to the bigger point of your own stupid argument is that this judge tried to stop due process.

Instead of him being detained and taken before an immigration judge (which is due process and what would have happened) she decided to try and sneak him out away from the waiting officers.

So no, ICE wasn't violating the Constitution

 

[Darkballs]

That is call hindering and aiding and abetting. Pretty spicy for a judge, but most of them think they can do whatever they want so not really surprising.

Bullshit. As has been repeatedly pointed out to you, SCOTUS has long held that state officials have no obligation to assist federal authorities. Not telling them about the hearing (and even less relevant is you making a fuss of the state DA not getting notice of an administrative hearing) does not in any way meet the statutory language for any form of obstruction. The judge could have stared the feds in the eyes while screaming anything she wants and that's not obstruction.

Unless you can show me that but-for her conduct, the feds would have affected an arrest they otherwise couldn't, then you're just talking out your ass. And considering they nabbed the guy right outside the courthouse and were within arms reach of him within the courthouse, the plain facts of anything amounting to obstruction is just retarded.

 

[nhbbear]

Virtually every court I know of has this option.

So no, I don't think it was an evil ICE-hating note. And even if it was, a taped piece of paper is utterly irrelevant to the charges against her. She could have taped a poster-sized message reading "ICE can suck my fucking dick," and zero laws would have been broken.

But I guess if we're celebrating the 4th Amendment being violated, might as well cheer for wiping our ass with the 1st Amendment as well.

Just curious, how do you feel the fourth amendment was violated in this case? And criticism of the note has nothing to do with the first amendment be used to wipe excrement from one’s ass. This bitch clearly hates ice and any attempts to deport people and she would rather help violent illegals stay here than assist or even allow ice to do their job. She escorted the dude and his lawyer out a sneaky trap door to avoid the agents but they had more than just those waiting at the door and they followed him out and arrested him when he tried to run.

 

[Darkballs]

Just curious, how do you feel the fourth amendment was violated in this case?

I was speaking more broadly to this administrations habit of deporting people without due process. Whether that happens to this one particular guy, remains to be seen.

This bitch clearly hates ice and any attempts to deport people and she would rather help violent illegals stay here than assist or even allow ice to do their job.

None of this has anything with whether or not she committed a crime. She could have quoted Mao or proclaimed that 9-11 was an inside job while the whole thing went down. It doesn't make a difference. But it gets the partisans wet.

She escorted the dude and his lawyer out a sneaky trap door to avoid the agents but they had more than just those waiting at the door and they followed him out and arrested him when he tried to run.

Every criminal court room I've been in had a back fucking door. You guys keep refering to this as some dastardly practice which was just uber deceptive. The cops literally napped the guy right outside. They were literally standing next to him and the judge during their visit to the courthouse. The "she let him slip out the back," would never amount to obstruction under any federal statute. And if that's the most damning thing you can find here, I think you've given the game away.

We are arresting state judges for not assisting federal agents, and SCOTUS has long held they do not have to. That's banana republic shit.

 

[nhbbear]

I was speaking more broadly to this administrations habit of deporting people without due process. Whether that happens to this one particular guy, remains to be seen.




None of this has anything with whether or not she committed a crime. She could have quoted Mao or proclaimed that 9-11 was an inside job while the whole thing went down. It doesn't make a difference. But it gets the partisans wet.




Every criminal court room I've been in had a back fucking door. You guys keep refering to this as some dastardly practice which was just uber deceptive. The cops literally napped the guy right outside. They were literally standing next to him and the judge during their visit to the courthouse. The "she let him slip out the back," would never amount to obstruction under any federal statute. And if that's the most damning thing you can find here, I think you've given the game away.

We are arresting state judges for not assisting federal agents, and SCOTUS has long held they do not have to. That's banana republic shit.

Ok. Like I said, I was curious. Yeah, trumps pretty much the worst.

The note, whether old or new, displays her hatred of the feds imo, and if other people are allowed to use the jury exit on a regular basis, then maybe it’s not an issue, but I think we know that is not true. Proving it may be difficult, though I admit, but I hate activist judges and prosecutors. It should be about the law, not bending the law to suit your own personal agenda.

I am not all in on the deportations at this point, but I think those here illegally that continue to break the law should be deported

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Bullshit. As has been repeatedly pointed out to you, SCOTUS has long held that state officials have no obligation to assist federal authorities. Not telling them about the hearing (and even less relevant is you making a fuss of the state DA not getting notice of an administrative hearing) does not in any way meet the statutory language for any form of obstruction. The judge could have stared the feds in the eyes while screaming anything she wants and that's not obstruction.

Unless you can show me that but-for her conduct, the feds would have affected an arrest they otherwise couldn't, then you're just talking out your ass. And considering they nabbed the guy right outside the courthouse and were within arms reach of him within the courthouse, the plain facts of anything amounting to obstruction is just retarded.

Escorting the criminal through a private area to exit in another direction because she asked the officers to arrest him in the hallway (after lying that they had the wrong warrant) is most definitely obstruction.

Bitch is getting removed from the bench and facing jail time. All because she wanted to interrupt due process

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Every criminal court room I've been in had a back fucking door. You guys keep refering to this as some dastardly practice which was just uber deceptive. The cops literally napped the guy right outside. They were literally standing next to him and the judge during their visit to the courthouse. The "she let him slip out the back," would never amount to obstruction under any federal statute. And if that's the most damning thing you can find here, I think you've given the game away.

We are arresting state judges for not assisting federal agents, and SCOTUS has long held they do not have to. That's banana republic shit.

This wasn't a "back door" she literally left the bench to escort him into the jury room to help him escape.

She wasn't arrested for not assisting, she was arrested for hindering and aiding an attempted flight.

You know that judges can't just ignore laws that they don't like?

 

[Darkballs]

Ok. Like I said, I was curious. Yeah, trumps pretty much the worst.

The note, whether old or new, displays her hatred of the feds imo, and if other people are allowed to use the jury exit on a regular basis, then maybe it’s not an issue, but I think we know that is not true. Proving it may be difficult, though I admit, but I hate activist judges and prosecutors. It should be about the law, not bending the law to suit your own personal agenda.

I am not all in on the deportations at this point, but I think those here illegally that continue to break the law should be deported

I agree with you on all points. I just think we should be careful about labeling prosecutors and judges as partisans when it appears, at least in this case, that they were simply doing their jobs. Trust me, in my three years as a prosecutor, I can't recall ever working with a prosecutor who was doing anything other than grinding through an oppressive case load.

I think we just need to be honest about what this was all about. You were a cop. Half the guys I served with in the marines we cops. I worked with City, State, and Federal law enforcement for most of my life. We both know that the feds could have just nabbed the guy outside. They had like two-dozen officers there. And they did end up grabbing him up just as easy when he left.

This is about testing the waters. Pick a guy who is unlikeable (and who would defend and illegal immigrant who beats on his wife) and see if people will let it slide. But we should be playing around with stuff like this when the same administration is, serious or not, talking about rounding up american citizens in the same fashion. That's the thing about the Constitution. We have to stick up for it, even when it applies to the shitbirds. If we don't do it then, we've kneecapped ourselves when they start doing it to us.

 

[I Am Legion]

These lib judges wouldn't make the same issues if this was Biden's Term or any other besides Trump. This whole thing has been a media driven witch hunt vs Trump. The border was broke. Everyone knew, but he was the only one to actually step up since Clinton.

 

[Darkballs]

She wasn't arrested for not assisting, she was arrested for hindering and aiding an attempted flight.

Which is what the Justice Department said happened as the result of her not assisting. You can't just call it something else and expect us to take you seriously. You're complaining about notes on the door for remote appearances and allowing the guy to leave through a back door as "aiding an attempted flight." That's fucking retarded and you won't source us any other case with such a weak set of facts. His "flight" lasted all of 30-seconds after he left the courtroom. And considering she has 4 separate SCOTUS rulings backing her up how she had no obligation to do anything, you can't point to that as proof that she obstructed.

 

[Crazy Source]

@Darkballs Thank you for your patience here. You have been more than clear. They don't care about the law. They will back anything Dear Leader does.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Which is what the Justice Department said happened as the result of her not assisting. You can't just call it something else and expect us to take you seriously. You're complaining about notes on the door for remote appearances and allowing the guy to leave through a back door as "aiding an attempted flight." That's fucking retarded and you won't source us any other case with such a weak set of facts. His "flight" lasted all of 30-seconds after he left the courtroom. And considering she has 4 separate SCOTUS rulings backing her up how she had no obligation to do anything, you can't point to that as proof that she obstructed.

Everything you've been saying here is, of course, exactly on point.... in terms of accuracy within the law. But that's not the real issue. These guys care about the law as a way to have or show actions of power; what they wanted from the judge was an acknowledgement of Their power over her, and Their political/social enemies. She didn't bow down to the process which has been unfolding, and that is unacceptable.

 

[nhbbear]

I agree with you on all points. I just think we should be careful about labeling prosecutors and judges as partisans when it appears, at least in this case, that they were simply doing their jobs. Trust me, in my three years as a prosecutor, I can't recall ever working with a prosecutor who was doing anything other than grinding through an oppressive case load.

I think we just need to be honest about what this was all about. You were a cop. Half the guys I served with in the marines we cops. I worked with City, State, and Federal law enforcement for most of my life. We both know that the feds could have just nabbed the guy outside. They had like two-dozen officers there. And they did end up grabbing him up just as easy when he left.

This is about testing the waters. Pick a guy who is unlikeable (and who would defend and illegal immigrant who beats on his wife) and see if people will let it slide. But we should be playing around with stuff like this when the same administration is, serious or not, talking about rounding up american citizens in the same fashion. That's the thing about the Constitution. We have to stick up for it, even when it applies to the shitbirds. If we don't do it then, we've kneecapped ourselves when they start doing it to us.

Yeah, someone brought that up-not sure if it was you or not, but brought up that this was a test case to see if people cared. I found that very interesting and I didn’t look that far into it. I did wonder why they were choosing the people that they chose. The only thing people are focused on here in this case is the judge. If they honestly thought that far ahead-wife beater, illegal, ms-13, etc-that is some 4-d chess shit. Me, personally, I pick the illegal in nyc that keeps getting arrested and snag him up and throw him from a plane over Central America-any country will do. But I am not thinking about what the public’s reaction would be and to use it as a test case for how close to an actual American can we get. You might be right, because they are revoking visas for people speaking out against Israel and the US, which is petty as fuck and upset me more than the other cases. If you’re here on a legal visa and you express your first amendment rights, and the government can’t take legal action, but instead, revokes your visa, that is some baby backed bitch stuff right there.