Jones isn't ducking, GOATS need GOAT pay

[MDoza]

The negotiations with energy drinks, with broadcasters, go smoothly.

But the negotiations with the GOATS (who need the same money as the executives) always go south.

Whether it's Jon Jones, GSP, Fedor Emelianenko, Khabib, Conor. Aspinall. Whoever you can think of - Tony Ferguson. Every single GOAT has had problems with the bosses and become angry.

Haha funny how you slipped Connor and Aspinall into that list. Good joke.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

The negotiations with energy drinks, with broadcasters, go smoothly.

But the negotiations with the GOATS (who need the same money as the executives) always go south.

Whether it's Jon Jones, GSP, Fedor Emelianenko, Khabib, Conor. Aspinall. Whoever you can think of - Tony Ferguson. Every single GOAT has had problems with the bosses and become angry.

We’re gonna need a bigger GOAT

 

[Luffy]

If he used enhancing pills for other fights besides DC 2, they should let him use it as well. I mean, he is out of the testing pool now so if he really used it many times before, then I think he chose the Stipe fight to be in the pool for testing and this one, to be out of the testing pool and take that focus pill or that Jocko Fuel energy drink, to be better physically and with a shaper mind, less fog mind, vs Tom. JJ wouldn't fight Tom at all if he thinks he is just getting paid to get KO'd. Again, if he accepts the fight, he is going there believing he'll whip Tom's ass.

 

[MDoza]

So basically he wants like a charity retirement event for himself where every dollar goes to him? I'm sure everyone involved will be happy to give Jones their pay because he's goat and Dana is going to be real happy taking a loss on the event just so Jones can walk away with a huge amount of his money that he's supposed to be delivering to the owners. But he's not ducking.

I think it’s more of a fee for passing the torch.

Sacrificing well known greats to build new fighters has always been part of the business in the UFC, but Jones is unique among fighters.

Youngest UFC champ, most title defenses, most wins, longest win streak, P4P #1 according to the UFC President himself.

Literally no one else has those accolades, and he’s done it in the most popular and dangerous divisions.

If he doesn’t have negotiating power, who does?

I think GSP probably felt the same, which is why, despite saying he would defend the MW belt, never did. He knew that Whittaker and the UFC were going to benefit greatly from him losing. The UFC likely didn’t offer what he wanted so he walked.

Jones has even more negotiating power, and is more egotistical than GSP. He will sit on the belt with a smile on his face until he gets what he deserves.

If Aspinall beats Jones, the UFC suddenly has a new superstar in a non-US market, and stand to make a ton of money going forward. Jones just wants his piece of the pie.

 

[Luffy]

Funny he didn’t need that pay to fight Gane or the ghost of Stipe but he did for Tom or Francis. What a coincidence.

Which fights did you want to see more? I bet you rather saw him fight Francis and Aspinall, right? So there's your answer, they are bigger fights, hence = more money for him.

Not to mention, he has fought 30x. He is the most dominant champion the UFC has ever had, one who has never lost a fight in all 30 fights... A champion who defended his LHW belt against every fighter who was the best from those times, going through 3 generations. Jones himself has had several concussions throughout his life due to these fights.

It's simple. Like JJ said, he doesn't need the fight and is willing to vacate the belt. If they want him not to vacate it, they better pay him that fuck you money or else, he doesn't need to keep the belt and can willingly vacate it and then, Aspinall goes on to be the next big thing and JJ, retires unbeaten. If he hasn't vacated, it's because Dana might be trying to get the money negotiation, I imagine. But that's not Jones' fault. He said he will defend it and not vacate it for the money, otherwise, for him it doesn't make much difference.

Ofc JJ sees Aspinall as a huge threat. After the Gane fight, JJ when asked was the first one who brought Aspinall as a HW with a big potential, when ppl around here didn't even know who an Aspinall or a Tom was. Like Francis, he sees the fight as a huge challenge at that stage of his career. Possibly, two fighter who imo are almost 50/50 in beating him (I still always give Jones the slight edge). He never ducked anyone before, he fought against anyone at LHW, the Francis situation was Dana's fault and here, JJ doesn't need this fight. Simple.

 

[tritestill]

This troll really trolling hard bro

 

[Captain Herb]

I think it’s more of a fee for passing the torch.

Sacrificing well known greats to build new fighters has always been part of the business in the UFC, but Jones is unique among fighters.

Youngest UFC champ, most title defenses, most wins, longest win streak, P4P #1 according to the UFC President himself.

Literally no one else has those accolades, and he’s done it in the most popular and dangerous divisions.

If he doesn’t have negotiating power, who does?

I think GSP probably felt the same, which is why, despite saying he would defend the MW belt, never did. He knew that Whittaker and the UFC were going to benefit greatly from him losing. The UFC likely didn’t offer what he wanted so he walked.

Jones has even more negotiating power, and is more egotistical than GSP. He will sit on the belt with a smile on his face until he gets what he deserves.

If Aspinall beats Jones, the UFC suddenly has a new superstar in a non-US market, and stand to make a ton of money going forward. Jones just wants his piece of the pie.

Huh, interesting that it's a fee to confer his greatness onto someone else but if he walks away Dana could, and probably will say Jones was great but he was afraid to fight Tom, so Tom must be even greater.

 

[Luffy]

I think it’s more of a fee for passing the torch.

Sacrificing well known greats to build new fighters has always been part of the business in the UFC, but Jones is unique among fighters.

Youngest UFC champ, most title defenses, most wins, longest win streak, P4P #1 according to the UFC President himself.

Literally no one else has those accolades, and he’s done it in the most popular and dangerous divisions.

If he doesn’t have negotiating power, who does?

I think GSP probably felt the same, which is why, despite saying he would defend the MW belt, never did. He knew that Whittaker and the UFC were going to benefit greatly from him losing. The UFC likely didn’t offer what he wanted so he walked.

Jones has even more negotiating power, and is more egotistical than GSP. He will sit on the belt with a smile on his face until he gets what he deserves.

If Aspinall beats Jones, the UFC suddenly has a new superstar in a non-US market, and stand to make a ton of money going forward. Jones just wants his piece of the pie.

No one does that though... Like, "I'm going to the fight knowing I'll be brutally KO'd, dunno in which round, but I'll be fucked up in front of everyone in my first and only defeat against an opponent who has my balls on his mouth for over a year now... " . Like, come on. Otherwise, he'd have accepted to box Tyson Fury, since Fury called him at some point to box, and he'd do more money. He isn't there only for the money. He values his legacy over being way richer than he is but not having that aura of the Boogeyman. Still though, since he knows he should have been paid way more in his career for being the most dominant fighter the UFC has had, if that's his last fight, then it's not simply a matter of passing the torch. It's a risky fight against a Francis Ngannou (almost) level threat + last one + one that is getting headlines more and more = I can put my last performance, likely need to dig deep and struggle to get my win plus, I can get the win and the fuck you money too...

Winning + big payday = Double W

 

[MDoza]

Huh, interesting that it's a fee to confer his greatness onto someone else but if he walks away Dana could, and probably will say Jones was great but he was afraid to fight Tom, so Tom must be even greater.

Jones is on the wrong side of 35, fighting above his natural weight class, against a younger and bigger opponent.

Taking a fight against a one dimensional fighter like Gane or a well-past-prime guy like Miocic is different than taking a fight against Aspinall who is young and well rounded.

Dana would no doubt try to spin that argument, but nothing would hit quite like Aspinall actually winning the fight.

Dana always goes on about making the biggest and best fights.. he can’t just let Jones walk without fighting Ngannou OR Aspinall. He already let GSP duck Silva and Whittaker.

At some point he’s gotta pay to get the fights that people want to see.

People always bitch and moan about fighter pay, but the second the most decorated fighter in UFC history asks to get paid to defend the belt for the title of the Baddest Man on the Planet.. all of a sudden he’s the bad guy?
If Jones can’t get a big payday from the UFC, who will ever be able to?

 

[10000yearsold]

I’m with it. I mean I think the fights already a done deal, but give him all the god damn money. Who cares? It’s the last fight for the greatest mma fighter of all time. It’s a real contender. Jones is gonna kill him. And it’s gonna be a huge triumph for the sport historically. Maybe actually incentivize some real athletic hws to get interested in this shit.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Pricing yourself out is one of the go to methods of a ducker. Another one is saying your opponent hasnt earned it/is a nobody/has accomplished nothing etc etc.

 

[Ube]

If Jones can’t get a big payday from the UFC, who will ever be able to?

Boom. This question is at the root of UFC philosophy.

I don’t know if their model has changed but Lorenzo Fertitta once said something along the lines of, it’s not about individuals, it’s about selling a whole show.

Once fighters start getting big pay days on a regular basis or once a precedent is set, the emphasis become more on individual fighters rather than the whole UFC event.

If I had a child and they told me that they wanted to be a UFC fighter, I’d tell them to go do something else. Because you can be the top superstar, greatest bla bla etc, get brain damage, fuck your body up, and you still wouldn’t get what you probably deserve.

 

[Skarsgard]

Jones is on the wrong side of 35, fighting above his natural weight class, against a younger and bigger opponent.

Taking a fight against a one dimensional fighter like Gane or a well-past-prime guy like Miocic is different than taking a fight against Aspinall who is young and well rounded.

Dana would no doubt try to spin that argument, but nothing would hit quite like Aspinall actually winning the fight.

Dana always goes on about making the biggest and best fights.. he can’t just let Jones walk without fighting Ngannou OR Aspinall. He already let GSP duck Silva and Whittaker.

At some point he’s gotta pay to get the fights that people want to see.

People always bitch and moan about fighter pay, but the second the most decorated fighter in UFC history asks to get paid to defend the belt for the title of the Baddest Man on the Planet.. all of a sudden he’s the bad guy?
If Jones can’t get a big payday from the UFC, who will ever be able to?

Eh. GSP had a condition due to jumping up the weight class, so I'm willing to give that a pass. He was very clearly overeating to jump the weight. Jones on the other hand just appears to have gotten fat.

 

[kingofthecans]

Goats get paid with hay.

 

[PeterGriffin]

Meth is a helluva drug. Took TS right to the stupid dimension instantly.

 

[MDoza]

Eh. GSP had a condition due to jumping up the weight class, so I'm willing to give that a pass. He was very clearly overeating to jump the weight. Jones on the other hand just appears to have gotten fat.

Lmao ya the condition was that he couldn’t maintain the weight off cycle

 

[PeterGriffin]

Eh. GSP had a condition due to jumping up the weight class, so I'm willing to give that a pass. He was very clearly overeating to jump the weight. Jones on the other hand just appears to have gotten fat.

He also spent years saying he was too small for MW, and that it would take him a long time to get his body where it needed to be for him to fight at 185lbs. Crazy it ended up being GSP knew his own body better than all those Sherbroni's who cried for years they didn't get to see him get KO'd by Silva.

Silva is the one who calls out GSP, and GSP is the one who takes shit for ducking? That's blind hater stupidity.

 

[PeterGriffin]

Lmao ya the condition was that he couldn’t maintain the weight off cycle

If Dana, or the UFC thought Jon was worth $30m dollars, they would have paid him. If he was a huge draw, they would have paid him. It's nuts that Jon or his fanbase hasn't figured that out yet. The UFC is STARVING for American star right now. Jon is not a draw like Conor, Rousey, or Lesnar was.

The irony of you shit-talking GSP for juicing while you stroke Jon off is fucking hilarious. So, how does that work? Cheating's okay if they are Black or American, but if white Canadian fighter does it it's bad?

You singled out the guy who never failed a drug test and was advocating for stronger drug testing. I think Jon's failed more tests in the history of the UFC and he ratted out other fighters for a reduced suspension. Then went crying on TV because he got caught. And people think he's the baddest man on the planet?

GTFO of here.

 

[RockyLockridge]

A lot of people cant accept this, but jones has zero reason to negotiate for less than the highest guaranteed purse of all time for an mma fight. He's earned that much to take that away would be pure hater shit. seek your heart you know it's, Jones has given a lot to MMA Pretty much his entire adult life and has never lost while winning many many title fights for years and years and years. He's had ups and downs, and you may question his character but if he were ANY other person you'd agree he deserves it all. I have to keep those 2 things seperated and do my best to remain object. Jones deserves the biggest payday ever.

 

[MDoza]

If Dana, or the UFC thought Jon was worth $30m dollars, they would have paid him. If he was a huge draw, they would have paid him. It's nuts that Jon or his fanbase hasn't figured that out yet. The UFC is STARVING for American star right now. Jon is not a draw like Conor, Rousey, or Lesnar was.

The irony of you shit-talking GSP for juicing while you stroke Jon off is fucking hilarious. So, how does that work? Cheating's okay if they are Black or American, but if white Canadian fighter does it it's bad?

You singled out the guy who never failed a drug test and was advocating for stronger drug testing. I think Jon's failed more tests in the history of the UFC and he ratted out other fighters for a reduced suspension. Then went crying on TV because he got caught. And people think he's the baddest man on the planet?

GTFO of here.

Ya I’m a big racist against white Canadians, that’s it.

Biggest ducker in UFC history, that’s GSP’s legacy.