It has nothing to do with age.I've heard Sonnen say this alongside others, when in fact Jones is 1-1 against people his age or younger than him, he lost to Reyes and beat Smith, all of his other LHW opponents are older than him in age
Probably the best representation for eras that I've seen. I would just think post-PRIDE era ended during the WEC/UFC merger in 2010/2011. The Strikeforce buyout and FOX deal were massive events that changed the MMA landscape completely. The addition of the Strikeforce/WEC talents to the UFC roster had wiped a lot of the UFC mainstays out.It has nothing to do with age.
Daniel Cormier is older in age than both Shogun and Rashad Evans... Cormier is still a newer generation of fighter than those two. Both fighters were #1 long before Cormier even started fighting.
From Gus onward those were a different generation of fighters compared to the PRIDE era of fighters Jones fought earlier in his reign.
First generation (fighters that started their careers during the PRIDE era): Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Rashad, Vitor, Chael, & Glover
Second generation (fighters that started their careers after the PRIDE era): Gus, Cormier, OSP, Smith, Santos, & Reyes
It's pretty simple to understand. MMA has 5 had generations within it's lifecycle as a sport:
- NHB era (pre-1993)
- pre-Zuffa UFC era (1993-2000)
- PRIDE era (2001-2007)
- post-PRIDE era (2008-2015)
- WME/Endeavor era (2016-present)
I don't know about multiple but he definitely dominated the generation previous to him. That was his claim to fame, wasn't it? Every former LHW champion who was still active, he demolished. I consider Machida and Shogun to be some of his best wins. I remember the Shogun fight well, Mauricio said he'd kick out Jon's chicken legs and that was a one-sided beatdown that lasted over 10 minutes. One of Jon's best kickboxing performances in his career. And vs. Machida, that was the best punch he landed in his UFC career.I've heard Sonnen say this alongside others, when in fact Jones is 1-1 against people his age or younger than him, he lost to Reyes and beat Smith, all of his other LHW opponents are older than him in age
I meant for the years to be more of a guideline opposed to a hard and fast rule, couple years up and down for all the eras can be had. The general representation of what a generation looks like is what I was going for.Probably the best representation for eras that I've seen. I would just think post-PRIDE era ended during the WEC/UFC merger in 2010/2011. The Strikeforce buyout and FOX deal were massive events that changed the MMA landscape completely. The addition of the Strikeforce/WEC talents to the UFC roster had wiped a lot of the UFC mainstays out.
I feel that Gus, DC, Cormier, OSP, Rumble, Davis, Manuwa, Corey, etc are the generational bridge between the post-PRIDE guys (Rampage, Machida, Rashad, etc) and the WME era guys (Jiri, Pereira, Lionheart, Ankalaev, Santos, etc) and it within it's own separate generation. IDK, maybe I just don't feel comfortable saying prime Alexander Gustaffson and Magomed Ankalaev are from the same generation lol.
Jon Jones wasn't a factor at all in 2008. By 2015, he already amassed 9 title fights. If you look at an average card from 2008 (Lesnar vs Mir 1, for example) it looks like a completely different product from a 2015 card (look at McGregor vs Mendes). The presentation made a huge shift between nu-metal edgy Spike TV and professional, clean-cut FOX.
we can play this game with any fighter that has ever lived.....I've heard Sonnen say this alongside others, when in fact Jones is 1-1 against people his age or younger than him, he lost to Reyes and beat Smith, all of his other LHW opponents are older than him in age
These "pride dinosaurs" were in their late 20's - early 30's.When you say two generations people think he beat people his age and the younger hungry fighters when in reality he beat some small overhyped dinosaurs from pride and had average performances (mostly) when he fought people his age and size
Jones is the youngest LHW champion ever at 23I've heard Sonnen say this alongside others, when in fact Jones is 1-1 against people his age or younger than him, he lost to Reyes and beat Smith, all of his other LHW opponents are older than him in age
Talk about cherry-picking. Rampage, Bader, Vera, O'Brien, Cormier, heck even Rashad & Belfort fought at HW. So did Bonnar (RIP), who has a huge (sometimes roided IIRC) LHW and as big as the current "new breed" of LHWs. Jones never fought Tito, but he was another LHW from that generation as big as the current ones. And he fought Machida, Rashad and other guys Jones fought.Two generations of LHWs, actually
One of small LHWs who were also MWs or could have been MWs
And a bigger generation of LHWs... Gus, Santos, Smith, Glover, others... the guys who are actually 6.3 feet. DC is an exception.
But I wouldn't say he dominated this generation since he clearly lost to Reyes and his wins vs Gus and Santos could have easily been draws or either way.
But indeed, he dominated the small generation, those guys looked like Jones' smaller younger brothers.... Machinda, Rashad etc...
Michel Pereira has more muscle mass than Shogun
And many other examples
Today's fighters are just much bigger.
Frankie was small at BW
Talk about cherry-picking. Rampage, Bader, Vera, O'Brien, Cormier, heck even Rashad & Belfort fought at HW. So did Bonnar (RIP), who has a huge (sometimes roided IIRC) LHW and as big as the current "new breed" of LHWs. Jones never fought Tito, but he was another LHW from that generation as big as the current ones. And he fought Machida, Rashad and other guys Jones fought.
I mean Cormier picked up and slammed a 255-pound Josh Barnett. Yet you act like Jones fought guys the size of Poirier.
Ahhh yes the MWs Rashad Evans and Lyoto Machida, both being former LHW champs when Jon fought them. Them dropping to MW at the tail-end of their careers doesn't change that.Two generations of LHWs, actually
One of small LHWs who were also MWs or could have been MWs
And a bigger generation of LHWs... Gus, Santos, Smith, Glover, others... the guys who are actually 6.3 feet. DC is an exception.
But I wouldn't say he dominated this generation since he clearly lost to Reyes and his wins vs Gus and Santos could have easily been draws or either way.
But indeed, he dominated the small generation, those guys looked like Jones' smaller younger brothers.... Machinda, Rashad etc...
Michel Pereira has more muscle mass than Shogun
And many other examples
Today's fighters are just much bigger.
Frankie was small at BW
If you are going to make things up, just say that he lost his other fights, too. Don’t stop at denying the reality of Reyes losing, fucking start pretending that shogun broke his leg and rampage knocked him out. Machida befuddled and caught him. Sonnen caught him in a submission. Why stop at one?I've heard Sonnen say this alongside others, when in fact Jones is 1-1 against people his age or younger than him, he lost to Reyes and beat Smith, all of his other LHW opponents are older than him in age
Find a new book.In my book, Jones lost that fight and that's all that matters
I've heard Sonnen say this alongside others, when in fact Jones is 1-1 against people his age or younger than him, he lost to Reyes and beat Smith, all of his other LHW opponents are older than him in age
Oh I'm just saying people can argue Reyes lost to Jones but don't wanna hear shit when Jones cheated to beat DC in the 2nd fight.