Media Jon Jones teases potential final fight

[Prologue]

Jones final fight will be when he's 65, fight Jake Paul's kid.

 

[AstralPanda]

Another keyboard attack from Jon Jones' #1 bathwater guzzling su

Jones could sell his farts in jars and folks like @AstralPanda would buy cases of them.

it wasn't an attack. Just basic truth and psychology.

It also was also general, something that applies to internet hate overall.

Jones derangement is one example, but there are many.

I wouldn't say that I'm biased towards Jones or treat him differently than anyone else, i just know how to think critically and unemotionally.

So, i can analyze polarizing topics in a balanced way that's free of bias.

The issue isn't with me, it's that there are a multitude or topics involving Jones where people are completely entrenched and dominated by their emotionality. People dislike Jones personally because of his actions outside the cage, which bleed into the analysis of his overall career.

There's an inability to separate the art from the artist.

I present every side of the discussion, play devils advocate and ask questions, rather than blindly adhering to common narratives which are often very flawed,dominated by group think and hate.

You also claimed I was some giga Jake Paul fanboy for simply acknowledging that he's a very good boxer for his level of experience, something i can speak with confidence based on my own years boxing experience.

Again, the issue isn't with me. It's that people like yourself cannot see past your own hate when it comes to polarizing figures, to the point where your mind can't even conceive of alternative viewpoints and arguments that don't fit your own small minded narrative.

Case In point, you've stated multiple times with utter confidence that Tyron Woodley faked being knocked out against Jake Paul and they rehearsed it before hand

And that Mike Perry wasn't trying in his loss to him.

My takes are well researched and reasoned. It's people like yourself who have a cult like level of derangement. No different than the guy who made 70+ Jon Jones threads in a row.

 

[AmonTobin]

There's an inability to separate the art from the artist.

Taking steroids, beating up a long retired fighter, and ducking the interim champ is NOT ART.

 

[snugglecakes]

itll end up being a fight scene for some TV or movie role

 

[AstralPanda]

Taking steroids, beating up a long retired fighter, and ducking the interim champ is NOT ART.

The issue is that you're intermingling all his personal antics with what takes place in the cage and career.

The two should always be treated differently.

When you do this, you're allowing emotion and bias to corrupt analysis, which produces something that ends up being very distorted.

Tyson was much worse than Jones. He's admitted to doing horrible things, worse than rape, was one of the biggest coke heads out there and had a huge list of things He's done outside the ring.

But that has nothing to do with who he was inside the ring.

One has nothing to do with the other

And that's the biggest issue with people like yourself. You don't do much critical thinking to begin with, but even if you did, the foundation of how you approach things is very flawed.

 

[AmonTobin]

"Taking steroids, beating up a long retired fighter, and ducking the interim champ is NOT ART."

The issue is that you're intermingling all his personal antics with what takes place in the cage and career.

The two should always be treated differently.

None of those things are personal antics. Those are all career decisions. That's why I listed them.

 

[Khaosan]

Surprised he isn’t calling out Sam Alvey after that Spong KO.

 

[AstralPanda]

"Taking steroids, beating up a long retired fighter, and ducking the interim champ is NOT ART."

None of those things are personal antics. Those are all career decisions. That's why I listed them.
People might respect you more if you just admitted you love Jon Jones no matter what and stopped attacking anyone who disagrees with you.

Sure. But the point still stands, many people are unable to separate the two. Although, they themselves likely aren't even aware of it themselves.

I don't care about Jones any more than I do other fighters. I treat everyone the same.

People just say a lot of stupid shit any time Jones gets brought up, because he's so deeply hated.

I always just play devils advocate, shed light on other sides of the discussion, challenge people who are approaching things emotionally.

Acknowledging the truth, common sense, both sides and the nuances of the discussion doesn't mean you're being biased or love someone.

But when you operate in hate, there seems to be an inability to see beyond black and white. My approach to analysis and questioning will make it seem like I'm a fan, when in reality it's just common sense and thinking.

Even if everything I've said was the absolute, undisputed truth, you would view that as being some kind of love or extreme infatuation.

Which is ultimately a testament to the bias, extremism and echo chamber that you yourself live in more than anything.

Much of what I've said are things you'd also hear from fighters. Do they love him too? Are they the problem, meanwhile you have the truth?

I think we both know the answer to that.

 

[AstralPanda]

"Taking steroids, beating up a long retired fighter, and ducking the interim champ is NOT ART."

None of those things are personal antics. Those are all career decisions. That's why I listed them.

You said I'm a Jake Paul fanboy too.

Why? Because you hate him. When you exist that mentality, acknowledging anything positive about him is going to seem like love in your mind.

Even if it's just common sense.

This is the result of extremist, black and white thinking.

Even acknowledging that there's other sides to the discussion worthy of consideration isn't something you can even conceive of in your mind.

The issue is not with me for simply acknowledging the full picture. It's your own thinking, your own echo chamber that you adhere to absolutely and unquestionably.

 

[AmonTobin]

Sure. But the point still stands, many people are unable to separate the two. Although, they themselves likely aren't even aware of it themselves.

I don't care about Jones any more than I do other fighters. I treat everyone the same.

People just say a lot of stupid shit any time Jones gets brought up, because he's so deeply hated.

I always just play devils advocate, shed light on other sides of the discussion, challenge people who are approaching things emotionally.

Acknowledging the truth, common sense, both sides and the nuances of the discussion doesn't mean you're being biased or love someone.

But when you operate in hate, there seems to be an inability to see beyond black and white. My approach to analysis and questioning will make it seem like I'm a fan, when in reality it's just common sense and thinking.

Even if everything I've said was the absolute, undisputed truth, you would view that as being some kind of love or extreme infatuation.

Which is ultimately a testament to the bias, extremism and echo chamber that you yourself live in more than anything.

That's a lie. No one writes this many words if they don't care. You're very passionate about Jon Jones and his honour, and that's ok but attacking others with walls of text is a little over the top.

 

[AstralPanda]

That's a lie. No one writes this many words if they don't care. You're very passionate about Jon Jones and that's ok but there's no need to attack others with walls of text simply to defend his honour.

I just put a lot of thought into analysis in general.

I type a lot in general. Jones isn't some anomaly. I consider every possible angle in my mind. So, it's often a lot and can come off long winded.

When you're debating a polarizing topic, generally posts will be longer because more time needs to be spent producing counter arguments, correcting falsehoods and flawed thinking.

If everyone is mostly on the same page about a topic, not as much needs to be said.

Generally you have to do a lot more homework, thinking and writing any time it's involving a hated figure.

My Jake Paul posts were quite long too and I couldn't care less about him. Counter arguments and setting the record straight just takes a lot more time and effort.

If I'm in the mood, I also just type a lot about anything though.

 

[nonoob]

Is saying he still hasn't put up the Stipe poster an admission that that fight was a joke?

Stipe was a great champion, that's why Jon DUCKED him until he was no longer even a contender.

Legacy...Here's Jon bragging about his life as a constantly Cheating Scumbag.​

 

[AmonTobin]

I just put a lot of thought into analysis in general.

I type a lot in general. Jones isn't some anomaly. I consider every possible angle in my mind. So, it's often a lot and can come off long winded.

When you're debating a polarizing topic, generally posts will be longer because more time needs to be spent producing counter arguments, correcting falsehoods and flawed thinking.

If everyone is mostly on the same page about a topic, not as much needs to be said.

Generally you have to do a lot more homework, thinking and writing any time it's involving a hated figure.

My Jake Paul posts were quite long too and I couldn't care less about him. Counter arguments and setting the record straight just takes a lot more time and effort.

If I'm in the mood, I also just type a lot about anything though.

You say you put a lot of thought into your analysis but your posts read like a repetitive denial. You were convinced Jon Jones wasn't ducking Ngannou. He's doing the same thing again with Tom Aspinall. Can you not see that? It's not hate. Fight fans are deeply disappointed.

 

[AstralPanda]

You argued for days about Jake Paul being one of the best boxers you've ever seen. I laughed at you. You took offence. And you're still holding a grudge to this day. Get a life ffs.

Nope. You're putting words in my mouth that I never said.

I've been boxing for a long time and simply acknowledged that Jake Paul is very good for his level of experience. He's taken boxing seriously for 5+ years and has ate, slept and breathed the sport, which is worthy of a great of respect.

I also thought his fight against Perry was an impressive from a technical and fundamental point of view.

You were essentially convinced that Jake Paul sucked, has no boxing skills, Perry wasn't even trying and let him win, Woodley faked being knocked out and they rehearsed it beforehand, all while being adamant that he has no skills.

I bring it up not because I hold a grudge, but to highlight your mentality and how warped your thinking can be. You're a classic example of a hater who frequently borders on delusion.

 

[AmonTobin]

Nope. You're putting words in my mouth that I never said.

I've been boxing for a long time and simply acknowledged that Jake Paul is very good for his level of experience. He's taken boxing seriously for 5+ years and has ate, slept and breathed the sport, which is worthy of a great of respect.

I also thought his fight against Perry was an impressive from a technical and fundamental point of view.

You were essentially convinced that Jake Paul sucked, has no boxing skills, Perry wasn't even trying and let him win, Woodley faked being knocked out and they rehearsed it beforehand, all while being adamant that he has no skills.

I bring it up not because I hold a grudge, but to highlight your mentality and how warped your thinking can be. You're a classic example of a hater who frequently borders on delusion.

Posting in wrong place though. You should start a Jake Paul thread if you still feel so strongly about his skills. Or you could just...let it go. Personally I think he's a fraud and it shows.

 

[AstralPanda]

Posting in wrong place though. You should start a Jake Paul thread if you still feel so strongly about his skills. Or you could just...let it go. Personally I think he's a fraud and it shows.

Yes, but you're also a diehard hater who's never boxed before and don't have any fight iq. So, there's only so much you're going to be able to see.

Everything I said was literally just common sense.

I will continually bring it up though because it highlights just how extreme your mentality is and how deep you are into this hate.

When people allow their hate and emotionality to rule them, you can see how the quality and reason of the posting suffers.

 

[orca]

Logic is not Jon's thing

logic is not a thing on jones haters
more than a decade they where wrong

 

[AmonTobin]

Yes, but you're also a diehard hater who's never boxed before and don't have any fight iq. So, there's only so much you're going to be able to see.

Everything I said was literally just common sense.

I will continually bring it up though because it highlights just how extreme your mentality is and how deep you are into this hate.

When people allow their hate and emotionality to rule them, you can see how the quality and reason of the posting suffers.

Your jimmies getting rustled in every Jon Jones thread is an inevitability.

 

[AstralPanda]

You say you put a lot of thought into your analysis but your posts read like a repetitive denial. You were convinced Jon Jones wasn't ducking Ngannou. He's doing the same thing sagain with Tom Aspinall. Can you not see that? It's not hate. Fight fans are deeply disappointed.

Or maybe I actually did the research


Jones was back in the ufc long before Ngannou officially left.

It was mid 2022 that Chael, DC, Dana and Ariel all reported that Jones was back

And they were trying to make the Stipe fight.

According to Ariel per Twitter, the deal was all but done, they were just waiting for Stipe to sign the contract. He ended up declining due to money issues.

Following this deal falling through, it was reported that Jones would fight on the march 2023 card through various media outlets and personalities. They all reported that Jones was fighting for the belt next, his opponent was contingent on whether Ngannou signed or not. If he didn't, then his opponent would be Gane.

This was all widely reported about a month before ngannou officially left.

Jones during this time ramped up his Twitter and Instagram posts, stating that he was training to fight for the world title next. Again, this was long before ngannou left.

Dana during 2-3 events in a row stated Jones will be fighting for the belt next.

DC, Chael, Ariel, Schaub all reported this.

Finally, ngannou and his coach did an interview and stated they were offered the Jones fight for 8 million dollars but refused it because in the event he lost, there was no security. They both outright said they could've took the Jones fight and chose not to. Instead opting for greener pastures.

This idea that he ducked comes from public preliminary negotiations that Dana brought. up about Jones asking for 30 million, which was back in the 2021. This was never brought up again by either party and Dana's tune changed from being unsure of Jon's future pre 2022, to saying they're looking to get him a fight a few months later.

Which was shortly after Jones posted on Twitter about not being impressed with the Gane / Ngannou fight.

If Jones was still in negotiations or had qualms about money, either Dana or Jones would've brought it up. They didn't, which means they worked it out, Jones got a bump up in pay and was happy about it.

This idea that Jones only came back after Ngannou left is essentially fantasy. All the evidence disproves this to the point that it can't even be disputed. The idea that he took a pay cut to fight Gane is also fantasy.

He also got up to 265 pounds at one point and it's very clear that he was training to fight at heavyweight.

I don't believe he ducked ngannou because he didn't and this is what a mountain of evidence shows.

In regards to Tom, he fought Stipe who he'd already had a full camp preparing to fight him before he got injured, this was long before Tom became a contender. I don't view fighting Stipe to be ducking, they were never not going to make the Stipe fight after already doing the promotion, buildup, interviews and having a full camp for it just because a new contender showed up. You can't duck a fight that was never offered or even a possibly.

Following the fight, Jones stated that he's not going to retire and gonna give the fans what they want to see, hinting at negotiations needing to happen, during his octagon interview.

Hes also said Tom doesn't so anything for him, unless the UFC pays him accordingly.

Dana is confident the fight happens. Jones outright said he needs 6 months to prepare for him.

Based on all of these facts, there hasn't actually been any official ducking yet. In fact, the evidence seems to show that there's a good possibility the fight happens, unless we just pretend the words of Jones and Dana don't matter.

Perhaps he will duck. But he hasn't yet and my mentality is we just have to wait and see before speaking with conviction. Anything can happen.

 

[AstralPanda]

Your jimmies getting rustled in every Jon Jones thread is an inevitability.

Or maybe it's that when a topic or person polarizing, there is simply a lot more stupidity, dishonest takes and disingenuity. All of which are frequently marred by hate and emotionality.

Acknowledging this bias, setting the record straight and shedding light on other sides of a discussion doesn't denote having my jimmies rustled. Again, this is indicative of your own mentality, not mine.

I simply put all the cards on the table.