Jon Jones' main weakness vs Miocic

Jon's main weakness currently is his age. Jon's age has been catching up to him as fast as younger fighters skills have been evolving. Stipe just happens to be older and inactive.
 
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Thread 'Jon Jones can't fight off the back foot'

Gus exploited this and Reyes beat him by making him move backwards. Stipe's corner was SCREAMING at him to close the distance when Jones turned and ran away. If Aspinall can get him moving backwards from the opening bell, he should have a lot of success. If he stands there and lets Jones kick out his knees, he's going to end up like Stipe. If I were Jones (who always works on a 'signature' move for each fight) I would definitely work on some kind of counter or take down off the back foot, because that's where he's going to be a lot and that's where he is most vulnerable. If I were Tom, I'd...
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Luffy said:
Yeah I think I just wrote incoherent, I'm kinda drunk now lol. I'll put it on AI to see if it comes better
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Yea, I don't know that being drunk excuses presenting Reyes, the weakest opponent Jon Jones ever had by far as a model of success against him. But I think the greater point you may be trying to make about pressure is very valid.

Applying relentless forward pressure has been very apparent as the deciding factor in many championship fights lately. It is how Strickland beat Adesanya, DDP beat Strickland, Ankalaev beat Pereira.,etc. When it comes down to those moments to determine who was going to back down, they held the ground forcing their opponent to move backward and it is hard to recover from that.

Of course, I'm sure given the extremely high level of competition Jones has faced in his career, it wouldn't be new to him and is probably not a good strategy against an elite wrestler as Jones would happily meet forward pressure with a takedown.
 
The biggest impact on the fight was when Stipe survived the round 1 GNP.

It was pretty clear at the start of the fight Jones went in there looking for a devastating statement like he'd made against Gane. He threw the kitchen sink at Stipe there vintage Jones. But when Stipe's chin held up/the ref refused to stop it, Jones shifted down a gear now that he felt this might actually have to go all 5 rounds. Especially if Stipe was going to just survive GNP even if he did take him down again which might be a waste of energy. It's clear as day he did settle back down after that, which was a wise adjustment and showcases why he's still winning: Jones can take the ego out of fighting and just follow the plan.

Too many people want to just call him old and mock him for going 3 rounds because it suits their narratives, but we really were almost in a situation where he got a 2 minute TKO. It's also a little weird to even mock him for getting a spinning back kick KO when he's only ever gotten 2 standing KOs in nearly 20 years in the UFC, and certainly never a spinning back kick. Any KO was expected to be on the ground, and if stayed standing like it did it was likely going to a decision. He fought like that.

I'm not going to pretend I didn't expect that 2 minute GNP TKO, but I'm also not going to deny he also clearly settled down for a possible 25 minute fight.
 
markg171 said:
The biggest impact on the fight was when Stipe survived the round 1 GNP.

It was pretty clear at the start of the fight Jones went in there looking for a devastating statement like he'd made against Gane. He threw the kitchen sink at Stipe there vintage Jones. But when Stipe's chin held up/the ref refused to stop it, Jones shifted down a gear now that he felt this might actually have to go all 5 rounds. Especially if Stipe was going to just survive GNP even if he did take him down again which might be a waste of energy. It's clear as day he did settle back down after that, which was a wise adjustment and showcases why he's still winning: Jones can take the ego out of fighting and just follow the plan.

Too many people want to just call him old and mock him for going 3 rounds because it suits their narratives, but we really were almost in a situation where he got a 2 minute TKO. It's also a little weird to even mock him for getting a spinning back kick KO when he's only ever gotten 2 standing KOs in nearly 20 years in the UFC, and certainly never a spinning back kick. Any KO was expected to be on the ground, and if stayed standing like it did it was likely going to a decision. He fought like that.

I'm not going to pretend I didn't expect that 2 minute GNP TKO, but I'm also not going to deny he also clearly settled down for a possible 25 minute fight.
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Way to toe the company line, lmfao.

Jon settled down because he blew his wad and shit got real. He lost the power in his punches, and his exits would have gotten him crushed by any legitimate contender. The longer the fight went, the worse Jon looked. It's not "suiting narratives" at all, it is what it is.

It's a damn blessing he didn't fight anyone except for Stipe in that last fight. And had this fight gone down years ago... when it would have actually meant something... I don't even believe Jon would have been the one with his hand raised.

Do you know what people took away from the Stipe fight? That is was the garbage title defense fight MMA fans expected it to be all along. What did we learn from it? Jon's got one round in him at 265lbs and then he's coasting.

42 years old and Stipe's chin holds up better than Jon's fists. I gave Jon a much better chance of beating Tom until I watched that Miocic farce, lmfao.
 
Stipe's style couldn't matchup to Jon's. Stipe is the perfect opponent for Jon to toy with because he stands right in front of his opponents & wants to bang. Also, Stipe was nowhere near what he was when he was wearing the belt & beating legitimate elite guys.

Idc what anybody says, Jon is not out of his prime & is nowhere near being a shell of himself. He can still pick apart guys & make it look easy. Ppl are just unsure because he doesn't fight as much & as often as he used to.
 
Jon's main weakness is guys who are younger than him. In all seriousness though, Tom is his only weakness and the only guy beating him at HW in the UFC. Almeida wouldn't be able to bully Jon in the grappling and that's Almeida's only way to win, Blaydes fight IQ isn't high enough (despite his physical capabilities) to deal with even an older Jon, Pav would get taken down within the first round and ground and pounded like an older Reem did to him. Volkov would either lose via decision or get taken down and subbed/Ground and pounded.
 
PeterGriffin said:
Way to toe the company line, lmfao.

Jon settled down because he blew his wad and shit got real. He lost the power in his punches, and his exits would have gotten him crushed by any legitimate contender. The longer the fight went, the worse Jon looked. It's not "suiting narratives" at all, it is what it is.

It's a damn blessing he didn't fight anyone except for Stipe in that last fight. And had this fight gone down years ago... when it would have actually meant something... I don't even believe Jon would have been the one with his hand raised.

Do you know what people took away from the Stipe fight? That is was the garbage title defense fight MMA fans expected it to be all along. What did we learn from it? Jon's got one round in him at 265lbs and then he's coasting.

42 years old and Stipe's chin holds up better than Jon's fists. I gave Jon a much better chance of beating Tom until I watched that Miocic farce, lmfao.
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People will write shit like this completely unironically despite knowing nothing at all about how Tom fights if someone doesn't go down after he blows his load in the first 60 seconds like he always tries.
 
svmr_db said:
Jon has 2 wins in the last 5 years lol & the majority of the cage time was against an old retired firefighter, what makes you so confident in him at this point lol.
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Zero training and doing drugs and he still beat top tier 205ers. I would never count Jon out
 
Luffy said:
I didn't even praise JJ saying he is the goat or anything if you had even read the thread... WTF man...
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Well that’s exactly the problem. Jon is the GOAT, and if you don’t agree, you should be bannedz
 
His weakness was he was totally wide open. Anyone with a brawler style is going to tag him.
 
AstralPanda said:
This is true but he was also basically playing with his food

So, he gave Stipe a lot more leeway than he would against an opponent where speed and a higher threat level was expected I feel.

He could basically do whatever he wanted, which reflects in the urgency and openings allowed.

Was definitely much slower though, but I think that would be navigated differently against more dangerous opposition.

If he does fight again, I think it's gonna be grindy, with some tactical striking mixed in, we won't be seeing him just standing up for a solid round without wearing his opponent down first.
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I disagree. JJ didn't seem to be playing at all. If so, he wouldn't need to cover Stipe's eyes many times after the first round. And also, when throwing a jab, he literally stuck his thumb into Stipe's eyes, which was why Stipe seemed to freeze for a moment and then JJ landed that right hand. Not for nothing Stipe when JJ clinched right after, was talking to Herb Dean and Herb Dean was looking at Stipe's eyes with a confused face. JJ wouldn't do that if he were playing. He didn't drag the fight either imo, JJ himself said in the post fight interviews that he really wanted to take Stipe out in the first round, but Stipe was just too tough.
 
markg171 said:
The biggest impact on the fight was when Stipe survived the round 1 GNP.

It was pretty clear at the start of the fight Jones went in there looking for a devastating statement like he'd made against Gane. He threw the kitchen sink at Stipe there vintage Jones. But when Stipe's chin held up/the ref refused to stop it, Jones shifted down a gear now that he felt this might actually have to go all 5 rounds. Especially if Stipe was going to just survive GNP even if he did take him down again which might be a waste of energy. It's clear as day he did settle back down after that, which was a wise adjustment and showcases why he's still winning: Jones can take the ego out of fighting and just follow the plan.

Too many people want to just call him old and mock him for going 3 rounds because it suits their narratives, but we really were almost in a situation where he got a 2 minute TKO. It's also a little weird to even mock him for getting a spinning back kick KO when he's only ever gotten 2 standing KOs in nearly 20 years in the UFC, and certainly never a spinning back kick. Any KO was expected to be on the ground, and if stayed standing like it did it was likely going to a decision. He fought like that.

I'm not going to pretend I didn't expect that 2 minute GNP TKO, but I'm also not going to deny he also clearly settled down for a possible 25 minute fight.
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True, very true. Still tho, it's worth noticing that JJ already looked wary of the blitzes and footwork pressure in the first round... He could dodge really fast punches when they were stationary, but even before taking Stipe down in the 1st round, when Stipe tried to initiate a blitz, JJ also covered Stipe's eyes to shut down the pressure attempt.

But vs Gane, JJ didn't have those apprehensions, even though Gane is a pretty quick and powerful striker, moves really fast for a HW too and has a very good footwork... But even when Gane feinted a blitz, JJ didn't back down... I think JJ was sharper vs Gane. Not taking any credits from Stipe and JJ at all, tbh Stipe was incredibly tough... and him slowing down after that heavy g&p in the first round is natural.

But it seems like JJ may have burnt too much energy holding Stipe down. Like you said — going for the kill already. But also, the fact JJ showed this apprehension once even before that takedown, to me shows JJ'S defense wasn't that sharp. Age yeah, but might be a cycle off as well... While vs Gane, he was with access to those Jocko energy fuel drinks, hypothetically. For instance JJ when fighting OSP was younger than the JJ who fought DC the second time, two years later, and at that age already, it'd be weird that JJ would be so much better vs DC 2 considering he had had many fights already, plus a 2 years hiatus after OSP.

Like, I think JJ is a hugely talented guy, enough so that even off cycles he can still beat the best ones available at that time, like OSP, Reyes... Now, Stipe Miocic. His fight IQ really shows itself. But some defensive limitations, limitations on sharpness when reacting to quick offensive blitzes... are more visible some times imo. Btw I'm just speculating, that is, IF that is due to cycling off his fuel 🔥 drinks for some fights and then, back to drinking them again in preparation for tougher fights, which imo will be the JJ we'd see vs Aspinall', the sharp one that looks evasive and likely the unbeatable Jones.

That's not only JJ though. When we look at DC vs Anderson Silva as well, it raises the same question... DC looked kinda washed there, and he basically held Silva down without much offense on top... and when Silva had a nice offense, like in the last moments of the third round, DC looked pretty exhausted and held Silva against the cage for the last 10 seconds. And that wasn't prime Silva, that was Anderson Silva who had lost, like 3, fights in a row and was taking a short notice fight vs DC at LHW while JJ was suspended. Then, the DC who fought JJ the second time, a year and a half later... You can't tell me that vs Silva he had that same level of readiness and sharpness vs JJ 2. His pressure vs JJ second fight was way, way bigger than him tiring out and being hurt and avoiding any striking with Anderson Silva in as three rounds fight, as well as gassing out within those 3 rounds. I don't think JJ was the only one that [hypothetically speaking, if that were the case] benefited from substances that add in the performance at all... Many, many were likely to be Imo.
 
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