Movies JOKER v.3 (Dragonlord's Review)

[Steve Rogers]

You never infer? So, you wait for a chick to say fuck me right in the pussy?

Well that's none of your business now, is it?

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

Well that's none of your business now, is it?

All I know is exactly what you said.

 

[TKing]

I'm a bit late to the party but saw this earlier. The acting by JP was insane, he brought it and deserves awards for this. I dont know that I could watch it again as it's so dark and heavy but it was a great watch, the scene towards the beginning when he imagined himself on the show was some sad stuff.

Regarding the end

Spoiler

they shouldve ended it when he was on the cop car and the mob was cheering him on

 

[tonni]

The movie sucks

 

[MikeMcMann]

Yes

...
Um, it did only cost around $70 million so... yeah?

Cool, I'm glad as I liked Joker.

I knew it was making money at that level. My question was because I know other DC movies have made money and done around that same box office and were treated as if box office failures as it seemed like any big comic book property that did not cross $1B, or get darn close, was considered to be under performing.

Heck even Suicide Squad did
= Worldwide: $746,846,894

 

[Amerikuracana]

The movie sucks

The Democrat official spokesman chimes in with an embarassing opinion that could only be formed by something as brainless as letting politics dictate your thinking. Thanks for validating the smart people who voted for this movie either being better than average, or excellent.

 

[Iroh]

Who else is getting the Blu-ray when it's out?

 

[Steve Rogers]

Cool, I'm glad as I liked Joker.

I knew it was making money at that level. My question was because I know other DC movies have made money and done around that same box office and were treated as if box office failures as it seemed like any big comic book property that did not cross $1B, or get darn close, was considered to be under performing.

Heck even Suicide Squad did
= Worldwide: $746,846,894

Mhm, but Suicide Squad cost around $100 million more than Joker.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Mhm, but Suicide Squad cost around $100 million more than Joker.

Sure. But they both made gob's of money. My point was more on the top line revenue. It seemed for a while that any big Comic Book movie that did not hit $1B or at least get real close, was mocked as a COMPARATIVE failure.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Sure. But they both made gob's of money. My point was more on the top line revenue. It seemed for a while that any big Comic Book movie that did not hit $1B or at least get real close, was mocked as a COMPARATIVE failure.

It all depends on the budget.

 

[MikeMcMann]

It all depends on the budget.

thx. I'll be interested to see if any one else opines as i don't think i have ever seen budget be the focus in my many years on this thread. It seems to always come down to Domestic and International Box office from my experience.

I know lots of smaller budghet films such as those made by Adam Sandler years ago, and Ben Stiller would celebrated as some of the most profitable films but for big Comic Book tent pole movies it has always seemed to be about top line revenue and that Billion dollar mark.

 

[Steve Rogers]

thx. I'll be interested to see if any one else opines as i don't think i have ever seen budget be the focus in my many years on this thread. It seems to always come down to Domestic and International Box office from my experience.

I know lots of smaller budghet films such as those made by Adam Sandler years ago, and Ben Stiller would celebrated as some of the most profitable films but for big Comic Book tent pole movies it has always seemed to be about top line revenue and that Billion dollar mark.

How many big Comic Book tent pole movies have been made for just around $70 million and have ended up making around $700 million?

 

[MikeMcMann]

How many big Comic Book tent pole movies have been made for just around $70 million and have ended up making around $700 million?

Exactly,

Irrelevant to my point as the budget to Box office number is rarely looked at here.

If it was done honestly it would not just matter if is made for $70m. A movie made for $100MM or $150MM or $200MM or $300MM and that makes a Billion should all get very different consideration by your metric if they all make around that $1B mark and yet they DON'T here. It is only the top line focused on here in almost all instances.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

This movie is a masterpiece. Instant classic for me as is the Dark Knight. His acting is some of the best I have ever seen.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Exactly,

Irrelevant to my point as the budget to Box office number is rarely looked at here.

If it was done honestly it would not just matter if is made for $70m. A movie made for $100MM or $150MM or $200MM or $300MM and that makes a Billion should all get very different consideration by your metric if they all make around that $1B mark and yet they DON'T here. It is only the top line focused on here in almost all instances.

Precisely because the comic book movies that make around $700 million-$1 billion usually cost around $300 million.

 

[HereticBD]

Cool, I'm glad as I liked Joker.

I knew it was making money at that level. My question was because I know other DC movies have made money and done around that same box office and were treated as if box office failures as it seemed like any big comic book property that did not cross $1B, or get darn close, was considered to be under performing.

Heck even Suicide Squad did
= Worldwide: $746,846,894

It's actually pretty hard to measure the actual profitability of those gigantic budget movies, because they also tack on costs that aren't counted in the general budget, like gigantic ad campaigns that can run up the budget a few more hundred million dollars.

Not to say that a movie that costs $200 million to make, and brings in like half a billion are abject failures, but it might be in terms of investment going forward, because it failed to connect to the audience on the massive scale they were hoping for, and perhaps trended significantly downward after it's initial release. They're basically treating those movies like stocks, in how they view success. It's all about the long term and if they can build a brand off of it. That's what's really changed. These huge budget movie aren't being judged as a one off anymore. If they don't turn a huge profit, and can't build a multi-picture franchise off of it, it's considered a bust, even if it might've made it's money back and then some.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

The Democrat official spokesman chimes in with an embarassing opinion that could only be formed by something as brainless as letting politics dictate your thinking. Thanks for validating the smart people who voted for this movie either being better than average, or excellent.

Where did politics get mentioned? you have a habit of injecting your politics into conversations by trying to call out other people's supposed use of politics.
Ive seen right leaning posters in here say the movie was boring. Having bad taste in movies isn't a Democrat or Republican thing.

I loved the movie, but it understandably isn't everyone's cup of tea, especially if you came into the movie wanting/expecting a more traditional take on the Joker, and the action of a typical comic book movie.

'Smart people' can accept that other people have different opinions. And you can like a movie like Joker, and also like what Marvel does with no hits on your intelligence.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Precisely because the comic book movies that make around $700 million-$1 billion usually cost around $300 million.

Agreed., No one talks about whether it is $70MM or $300MM. It is just not a focus.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Where did politics get mentioned? you have a habit of injecting your politics into conversations by trying to call out other people's supposed use of politics.
Ive seen right leaning posters in here say the movie was boring. Having bad taste in movies isn't a Democrat or Republican thing.

I loved the movie, but it understandably isn't everyone's cup of tea, especially if you came into the movie wanting/expecting a more traditional take on the Joker, and the action of a typical comic book movie.

'Smart people' can accept that other people have different opinions. And you can like a movie like Joker, and also like what Marvel does with no hits on your intelligence.

Marvel stuff is ok as well.

There s no question he's a left shill. There isn't a single issue he has ever even sounded Independant on. I'm not exaggerating. Whoever he (or they) are that posts on that account likely didn't see the movie, and is literally just taking the side of leftist who decided the group think would be against the film.

That's just my opinion, and I'm not always right.

 

[MikeMcMann]

It's actually pretty hard to measure the actual profitability of those gigantic budget movies, because they also tack on costs that aren't counted in the general budget, like gigantic ad campaigns that can run up the budget a few more hundred million dollars.

Not to say that a movie that costs $200 million to make, and brings in like half a billion are abject failures, but it might be in terms of investment going forward, because it failed to connect to the audience on the massive scale they were hoping for, and perhaps trended significantly downward after it's initial release. They're basically treating those movies like stocks, in how they view success. It's all about the long term and if they can build a brand off of it. That's what's really changed. These huge budget movie aren't being judged as a one off anymore. If they don't turn a huge profit, and can't build a multi-picture franchise off of it, it's considered a bust, even if it might've made it's money back and then some.

Ya I agree.

That is why I think the focus on top line revenue is almost 100% what is talked about and almost never whether it costs $70MM or $300MM to make. Not that those metrics are not important, but its harder to quantify.

Also I think the big studios also care a lot about viewership, maybe even more so than profit. They want giant market share. They want the MOST people going thru the turn-style.

We don't know what actually made more profit, Avatar or AEG, but we know it was a massive big deal when it topped it as the #1 top grossing movie of all time. And that would matter to them even if it cost twice as much to make.