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Movies JOKER v.3 (Dragonlord's Review)

If you have seen JOKER, how would you rate it?

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KnightTemplar said:
Fleck succeeded through sheer luck. He was lucky some random nurse or doctor didn't come into check on his mother as he was murdering her. He was lucky the cops chased him onto a train full of protesters dressed as clowns. He was lucky the Franklin Show didn't screen it's guests for weapons. He was lucky to be in a cop car driving through a riot at just the right time for his fans to crash an ambulance into it; hell, the guys driving the ambulance didn't even know he was in the cop car, so Arthur was lucky to survive the crash.
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I think you're right on everything apart from the cops chasing him part. They set that up in the scene where Randall and the little dude come to his apartment to see him.
 
Another thing that bothers me is that
(assuming everything in the end actually happened and wasn't just Arthur Fleck daydreaming, he is now too well known and associated with clowns for Batman not to be able to identify him in the future.

On the flip side, I love how Thomas Wayne was portrayed in this movie.
 
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Alphafail said:
Another thing that bothers me is that
(assuming everything in the end actually happened and wasn't just Arthur Fleck daydreaming, he is now too well known and associated with clowns for Batman not to be able to identify him in the future.
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I had had that same sort of notion when I first learned the movie would be focused on an Arthur Fleck; I had thought that this would mean too much would be explained about Joker. As the film made it increasingly clear nothing could TRULY be relied on as fact, I also noticed it elegantly danced into the territory where everything we know about Joker is nothing that can really be used to take him down. His history, his relationship ties, his identity -- all of it could be true and none of it could Batman exploit.


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KnightTemplar said:
Fleck succeeded through sheer luck. He was lucky some random nurse or doctor didn't come into check on his mother as he was murdering her. He was lucky the cops chased him onto a train full of protesters dressed as clowns. He was lucky the Franklin Show didn't screen it's guests for weapons. He was lucky to be in a cop car driving through a riot at just the right time for his fans to crash an ambulance into it; hell, the guys driving the ambulance didn't even know he was in the cop car, so Arthur was lucky to survive the crash.
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That’s just sloppy writing
 
Joker didn’t start the riots by going into the streets and mobilizing people himself.

The riots were heated up when the 3 Wall Street guys were killed. That started it all off and put the icing on the cake.

I thought the movie made that very clear.
 
GoldenAzazel said:
I think you're right on everything apart from the cops chasing him part. They set that up in the scene where Randall and the little dude come to his apartment to see him.
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Yeah, Randall asks Fleck if he's going to join the protesters wearing clown make up/masks(Arthur says no). But I still think it was blind luck that Fleck managed to run into the train station at the exact moment the protesters were there. I didn't get the impression he was planning on using them to escape. Once he got there, he decided to use them to his advantage by grabbing one of the clown masks, which starts a fight on the carriage and helps him even more. But it seemed more like improvisation than careful planning.
 
The more I think of it the more I realize Thomas was Arthur’s father and he used his power as a wealthy man with connections to clean his record.

When joker looked at the pic of his mother on the back it said a quote about her smile and it was signed my Thomas Wayne.

Also one of the themes of the movie about the rich and wealthy loathing the lower classes and treating them without any respect or showing any sympathy towards them is met as well.

The theme is also carried out in other scenes as well. How the 3 Wall Street guys were spoken about in such a positive light when in fact you see they’re pieces of shit. How society views wealthier people as being “better” just because they’re wealthy.

When Arthur is on Murray’s show he also states “if I died in the street you would walk over me,” reinforces the theme of the rich viewing the lower classes as garbage.
 
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KONG-D'SNT-TAP said:
The more I think of it the more I realize Thomas was Arthur’s father and he used his power as a wealthy man with connections to clean his record.

When joker looked at the pic of his mother on the back it said a quote about her smile and it was signed my Thomas Wayne.

Also one of the themes of the movie about the rich and wealthy loathing the lower classes and treating them without any respect or showing any sympathy towards them is met as well.

The theme is also carried out throughout in other scenes as well. How the 3 Wall Street guys were spoken about in such a positive light when in fact you see they’re pieces of shit. How society views wealthier people as being “better” just because they’re wealthy.

When Arthur is on Murray’s show he also states “if I died in the street you would walk over me,” reinforces the theme of the rich viewing the lower classes as garbage.
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You think schizo mom couldnt've signed the photo herself? Loons do that all the time.

I liked how the movie's made, Phoenix's acting, music, cinematography, but I can't say I liked the movie that much. It is the story of a fucked up man getting to know he's in fact even more fucked up, okay, now what?
 
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ssBaldy said:
You think schizo mom couldnt've signet the photo herself? Loons do that all the time.

I liked how the movie's made, Phoenix's acting, music, cinematography, but I can't say I liked the movie that much. It is the story of a fucked up man getting to know he's in fact even more fucked up, okay, now what?
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Well sure she could’ve but I don’t think she did.

Even Alfred knew who he was instantly, even after 30+ years. His dialogue and acting showed those names were fresh in his memory and he understood the weight of it all.

Also painting Thomas Wayne as a typical rich asshole furthers my take on that plot point. Thomas wasn’t a good man at all. In fact he was a jerk every time he was on screen
 
Amerikuracana said:
I really have trouble with people who didn't like 80% of the movie, but liked the Murray show scene.

That is a really odd opinion that sounds like it was shaped by Transformers and Fast & Furious sequels becoming what millennials view as true cinema.
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I really didn't like this movie until the end either. It was just kind of boring. Like someone else posted earlier, this has been done already. I hated Transformers other than the first one which I would say was good but not some sort of master piece or anything. FF movies are just fun movies to sit back get drunk\high and watch.

Overall I gave this movie a 5. I would not watch this again at all. I don't know how else to say it but the plot was just very boring. I do look forward to the next movie a bit though because I enjoyed his character more once he fully embraced Joker.
 
method115 said:
I really didn't like this movie until the end either. It was just kind of boring. Like someone else posted earlier, this has been done already. I hated Transformers other than the first one which I would say was good but not some sort of master piece or anything. FF movies are just fun movies to sit back get drunk\high and watch.

Overall I gave this movie a 5. I would not watch this again at all. I don't know how else to say it but the plot was just very boring. I do look forward to the next movie a bit though because I enjoyed his character more once he fully embraced Joker.
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You say "This has already been done already," and then clamber that he needs to be more like the Joker we all know. OK.
 
Amerikuracana said:
You say "This has already been done already," and then clamber that he needs to be more like the Joker we all know. OK.
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I've read my post twice. I don't see anywhere in there where I claimed that he needs to be more like the Joker we all know. Are you talking about this statement:

because I enjoyed his character more once he fully embraced Joker

If so I wasn't saying he needs to be more like the Joker we all know. I was saying I enjoyed the movie more once he fully embraced the Joker. As in he is The Joker and this is who he has decided to become.
 
KONG-D'SNT-TAP said:
Well sure she could’ve but I don’t think she did.

Even Alfred knew who he was instantly, even after 30+ years. His dialogue and acting showed those names were fresh in his memory and he understood the weight of it all.

Also painting Thomas Wayne as a typical rich asshole furthers my take on that plot point. Thomas wasn’t a good man at all. In fact he was a jerk every time he was on screen
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Even if she didnt sign the pic herself, Its possible they had a small affair and she became the one night stand from hell and the rest played just like the film told us.

I dont like Bruce and the Joker being brothers, the fact that the Joker was adopted really pushes the idea that he lost everithing and was nothing and that point in life, he no longer knew who he really was, his mom was no longer his mother, Arthur Fleck was his adoption name, rtc. it also keeps the narrative that we never know who the joker is, even after seeing the film dealing with his past .
 
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