Movies JOKER v.3 (Dragonlord's Review)

[Prex32]

Awakenings was a great performance.

such a great movie

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Does anyone else feel like Thomas Wayne being his actual father fits the themes of the movie?

Also Phoenix acting makes this movie. Without him it wouldn’t have had the same weight

 

[Steve Rogers]

I rate the fan-voted scores higher than the critic-voted ones, at least in being true to what they are supposed to represent; but ultimately, yeah.

They're too easily manipulated via multiple accounts and multiple votes with the same account.

I really really disliked the movie, although I knew the movie snobs would rave about it because of how "deep" it was. And I know this is blasphemy, but Phoenix sucked in the movie. I get the laughing constantly is supposed to show that he was crazy. But it was annoying as hell. If I need something to be ungodly annoying to show reality, then I guess I don't want reality. But worse than that, it didn't even sound realistic. And not in a crazy person making fake laughs kind of way. It was in more of a Jouaqin (sp) Phoenix making fake laughs in order to sound like a crazy person making fake laughs kind of way. I liken it to Christian Bale as Batman. For him, no matter how good he may have been as Batman, his voice was so annoying, that is all I remember. In this movie I will just remember that forced, lame laugh.

You put the u in the wrong place. It goes after the q. Joaquin.

On a side note, why would deniro's character not recognize jokes as not having been on his show before? i may have missed an explanation while my mind was wandering.

Arthur was never on the show before. That scene you're thinking of when Murray brought him down on stage and the two of them hugged was just a daydream of Arthur's.

 

[Here's the thing]

I don’t agree, but to each their own. I’m only gonna fight a Joaquin fanatic so hard, the guy is great.

I don't want to derail this thread, but you got me curious now. Who would you say the first, second, and third greatest actors of all time are? Do you put De Niro above Day-Lewis, Brando, Oldman and Pacino?

 

[Peteyandjia]

I don't want to derail this thread, but you got me curious now. Who would you say the first, second, and third greatest actors of all time are? Do you put De Niro above Day-Lewis, Brando, Oldman and Pacino?

I put DeNiro in their company, yes. Those are all legend names & he belongs. I have my opinions, subjectivity plays a part at that nitty gritty level, but I wouldn’t hate on anyone picking any of those as their GOAT. Plus a few other names, Gary Oldman comes to mind.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I put DeNiro in their company, yes. Those are all legend names & he belongs. I have my opinions, subjectivity plays a part at that nitty gritty level

What do you mean subjectivity plays a part at that nitty gritty level? It's all subjective.

but I wouldn’t hate on anyone picking any of those as their GOAT. Plus a few other names, Gary Oldman comes to mind.

Um, look again at the post you quoted.

 

[shockaholic12]

I would say this movie touched far more emotional nerves than Taxi Driver. It might be better. Pheonix needs a couple more iconic roles before I could say he's better than Bob overall.

Aside from being IMO much better as far as directing and editing, Taxi Driver will always be better than Joker because Taxi Driver was an original. A completely new vision.

Joker is highly, highly derivative. Basically taking a comic book character and shoving it into Travis Bickle’s shoes. Tastes pretty good but will always be a bit stale.

 

[Peteyandjia]

What do you mean subjectivity plays a part at that nitty gritty level? It's all subjective.

It’s not all subjective - all of those actors are objectively better than most, like say, Keanu Reeves for a random specific example. (Sorry Keanu, Love ya pal) Once you get above a certain level though, for me, I can understand people just splitting off into their own tastes. All those guys you named are top shelf.

Um, look again at the post you quoted.

Shoulda named him twice imho

 

[Amerikuracana]

I really really disliked the movie, although I knew the movie snobs would rave about it because of how "deep" it was. And I know this is blasphemy, but Phoenix sucked in the movie. I get the laughing constantly is supposed to show that he was crazy. But it was annoying as hell. If I need something to be ungodly annoying to show reality, then I guess I don't want reality. But worse than that, it didn't even sound realistic. And not in a crazy person making fake laughs kind of way. It was in more of a Jouaqin (sp) Phoenix making fake laughs in order to sound like a crazy person making fake laughs kind of way. I liken it to Christian Bale as Batman. For him, no matter how good he may have been as Batman, his voice was so annoying, that is all I remember. In this movie I will just remember that forced, lame laugh.

Although if Zazie Beetz was in it more, I could have watched it for 5 more hours. That woman is perfect

But of course Phoenix will win an oscar because its an automatic thing when a big name actor plays a retarded person/mentally ill person

On a side note, why would deniro's character not recognize jokes as not having been on his show before? i may have missed an explanation while my mind was wandering.

Your opinion is worthless, and it sounds like you watched this movies on your phone through a stream without really watching. Did you watch it on your phone?

 

[Amerikuracana]

Aside from being IMO much better as far as directing and editing, Taxi Driver will always be better than Joker because Taxi Driver was an original. A completely new vision.

Joker is highly, highly derivative. Basically taking a comic book character and shoving it into Travis Bickle’s shoes. Tastes pretty good but will always be a bit stale.

Sounds like a valid opinion, but Deniro's character was just upset with the way other people were acting in their own lives. Not all that much was happening to him. His decent into madness was only understandable if you want to nuke every urban area in America. If you have had bad luck, or been mistreated by people or the system while trying to be a decent person, which a lot of us have, you can relate more with Joker. They had him killing strangers at the end, and nobody with a decent mind can relate there, but he is far, far more understandable. By all accounts Travis had a decent family and was treated ok his whole life.

 

[shockaholic12]

Sounds like a valid opinion, but Deniro's character was just upset with the way other people were acting in their own lives. Not all that much was happening to him. His decent into madness was only understandable if you want to nuke every urban area in America. If you have had bad luck, or been mistreated by people or the system while trying to be a decent person, which a lot of us have, you can relate more with Joker. They had him killing strangers at the end, and nobody with a decent mind can relate there, but he is far, far more understandable. By all accounts Travis had a decent family and was treated ok his whole life.

Travis Bickle was a vet returning from Vietnam, suffering from mental illness developed during the war and witnessing the America he returned to also being a nightmare/type of war zone for him.

I think Travis’s experience at the time of Taxi Driver was released was more relatable to the audience than what Joker is experiencing which apparently was head trauma and severe childhood abuse set amongst an imaginary city in an imagined financial crisis in some past timeline that isn’t quite present.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Travis Bickle was a vet returning from Vietnam, suffering from mental illness developed during the war and witnessing the America he returned to also being a nightmare/type of war zone for him.

I think Travis’s experience at the time of Taxi Driver was released was more relatable to the audience than what Joker is experiencing which apparently was head trauma and severe childhood abuse set amongst an imaginary city in an imagined financial crisis in some past timeline that isn’t quite present.

Fair enough. I haven't seen it in 15 years or so.

 

[tangata motu'a]

Your opinion is worthless, and it sounds like you watched this movies on your phone through a stream without really watching. Did you watch it on your phone?

i have never watched a movie on my phone and never will. You would be the type of movie snob I was referring to. I could guarantee I could guess with a 95% accuracy whether or not you like or hate a movie before you even watch it, because you have your mind made up before you even see them based on how "deep" it is and how the reviews are

 

[Steve Rogers]

It’s not all subjective - all of those actors are objectively better than most, like say, Keanu Reeves for a random specific example. (Sorry Keanu, Love ya pal) Once you get above a certain level though, for me, I can understand people just splitting off into their own tastes. All those guys you named are top shelf.



Shoulda named him twice imho

First of all, can you not keep track of who you're talking to? I didn't name any of those guys. That was another poster.

Secondly, yes, it is all subjective. All of those actors are not objectively better than most. Keanu Reeves is not objectively a bad actor. I think he's a horrible actor myself but I'd never state that opinion as if it was an objective fact. That's ridiculous. It doesn't matter if everyone shares the same opinion, that doesn't make it objective fact. Opinions are opinions, facts are facts, and never the twain shall meet. Quality is a matter of opinion and opinion only. Quality is never a matter of fact. Never. Because it is not scientifically measurable. You can scientifically measure quantity but you cannot scientifically measure qualitiy. Length, speed, distance, time, colour, weight, etc.. These are all scientifically measurable. One table is longer than another; one athlete runs faster than another; there's a greater distance (regardless of units) between London and New York than between London and Dublin. These are all matters of objective fact. But Robert De Niro is a better actor than Keanu Reeves? Well, obviously, that's an opinion that's shared by most people. But if ya come across someone who thinks Keanu's better than Bobby, ya can't say they're objectively wrong. And if ya were to say that, ya'd be an asshole. Because who are you to say that anyone's opinion is objectively wrong? Who are you to undermine and belittle anyone's opinion and make them feel bad for having a 'wrong' opinion? Who are you, who is anyone, to say what's objectively good or bad? By what standard can you possibly measure something like that? Is there a scientifically standardised unit of quality? A qualimetre? Last time I checked, no, there wasn't. So be smarter than that. Don't buy into the all too prevalent bullshit idea that quality can possibly be thought of in any objective sense. It's a ridiculous notion and it needs to die. Far too many times around this forum I've come across people attacking other people's opinions because they evidently believe their own to be objectively true and therefore superior. There are far too many insults being thrown around here in the name of opinion. Watch this video.

 

[Davem10]

I was actually quite bored for most of this film

Very slow and quite dull with a few pops here and there

Finally picked up when he entered the girls apartment and his madness was apparent

The overall climax of the film was good, the final 15 minutes or so

Could have done without the very end bit, should have finished it with him on the cop car imo

If that is the film, done, then I would say I'm disapppinted

If its the building to a second film, picking up the pacing from the final 15 minutes, I would say I'm happy with it

Overall I left disappointed but I've been thinking about the film a few times, I may go and give it a second watch

 

[Amerikuracana]

I was actually quite bored for most of this film

Very slow and quite dull with a few pops here and there

Finally picked up when he entered the girls apartment and his madness was apparent

The overall climax of the film was good, the final 15 minutes or so

Could have done without the very end bit, should have finished it with him on the cop car imo

If that is the film, done, then I would say I'm disapppinted

If its the building to a second film, picking up the pacing from the final 15 minutes, I would say I'm happy with it

Overall I left disappointed but I've been thinking about the film a few times, I may go and give it a second watch

I really have trouble with people who didn't like 80% of the movie, but liked the Murray show scene.

That is a really odd opinion that sounds like it was shaped by Transformers and Fast & Furious sequels becoming what millennials view as true cinema.

 

[Alphafail]

"You've always been good to me"

*kisses forehead*

Amazing, LOL.

Probably my favorite scene in the movie, I legit had no idea what he was gonna do up to that point.

Overall I enjoyed the movie a lot, but I have trouble imagining this version of Joker as Batman's future archnemesis. He seems to lack the intelligence and ability to plan ahead that makes Joker so dangerous and terrifying.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

I really really disliked the movie, although I knew the movie snobs would rave about it because of how "deep" it was. And I know this is blasphemy, but Phoenix sucked in the movie. I get the laughing constantly is supposed to show that he was crazy. But it was annoying as hell. If I need something to be ungodly annoying to show reality, then I guess I don't want reality. But worse than that, it didn't even sound realistic. And not in a crazy person making fake laughs kind of way. It was in more of a Jouaqin (sp) Phoenix making fake laughs in order to sound like a crazy person making fake laughs kind of way. I liken it to Christian Bale as Batman. For him, no matter how good he may have been as Batman, his voice was so annoying, that is all I remember. In this movie I will just remember that forced, lame laugh.

Although if Zazie Beetz was in it more, I could have watched it for 5 more hours. That woman is perfect

But of course Phoenix will win an oscar because its an automatic thing when a big name actor plays a retarded person/mentally ill person

On a side note, why would deniro's character not recognize jokes as not having been on his show before? i may have missed an explanation while my mind was wandering.

The laugh wasn't supposed to show he was crazy though, and Murray (De Niro's character) never had Arthur on the show before.

 

[Davem10]

I really have trouble with people who didn't like 80% of the movie, but liked the Murray show scene.

That is a really odd opinion that sounds like it was shaped by Transformers and Fast & Furious sequels becoming what millennials view as true cinema.

I went into it with the dark Knight in my head

So it dragged like hell compared to that as I was expecting something with a more upbeat pacing

As I said, I'll need to rewatch to form a concrete opinion

It certainly dragged serious arse the majority of the way though

 

[KnightTemplar]

Probably my favorite scene in the movie, I legit had no idea what he was gonna do up to that point.

Overall I enjoyed the movie a lot, but I have trouble imagining this version of Joker as Batman's future archnemesis. He seems to lack the intelligence and ability to plan ahead that makes Joker so dangerous and terrifying.

Fleck succeeded through sheer luck. He was lucky some random nurse or doctor didn't come into check on his mother as he was murdering her. He was lucky the cops chased him onto a train full of protesters dressed as clowns. He was lucky the Franklin Show didn't screen it's guests for weapons. He was lucky to be in a cop car driving through a riot at just the right time for his fans to crash an ambulance into it; hell, the guys driving the ambulance didn't even know he was in the cop car, so Arthur was lucky to survive the crash.