Movies JOKER v.3 (Dragonlord's Review)

[Frank23]

 

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

The multiple same sex gangbang scenes might have been a bit gratuitous but I'm just surprised all that Male nudity didnt get any less awkward with a theater full of incel virgins

 

[SugarKrok]

Have not seen the new Joker movie yet, but it always bothered me how TDK Joker lost.

I found it somewhat unrealistic that someone on the two boats didn't press the buttons. I guess my view is a bit myopic....seems like I'm gonna enjoy the new movie.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Fuck you. Douchebag.

Both were good movies. Maybe your the woke fucker.

Cocksucker
Edit: fucking marvel nuthuggers

Fuck Marvel

*you're

 

[armbarforhire]

The last scene is him literally laughing to himself in the asylum interview room because he just came up with the “joke” of killing the complete stranger sitting across from him just for the fun of it.

Too little too late and even there only implied. Were they fumbled it was at the talk show scene and they holding back from him actually killing any of the sympathetic characters.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Was the penguin in it

 

[Cole train]

Have not seen the new Joker movie yet, but it always bothered me how TDK Joker lost.

I found it somewhat unrealistic that someone on the two boats didn't press the buttons. I guess my view is a bit myopic....seems like I'm gonna enjoy the new movie.

He didnt lose, he won

His plan of making people hate batman worked though he did lose the battle for the soul of gotham

 

[IloveTHIS]

I never go to see movies in theater these days but I think I'm gonna peep this shit this weekend

 

[armbarforhire]

Just noticed the girl is Domino from Deadpool 2.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Was the penguin in it

Yes.

 

[Ogata]

TDK Joker's motivations are clear, The Joker literally explains why he does what he does, the only thing they don't explain is his past. There's layers that you seem to have missed. Leaving his background a mystery in TDK is intentional, not an oversight. He's written as the ideological opposite of Batman and the line about the world burning is to show Batman that he couldn't handle Joker the way he has others because he doesn't have typical motivations which is what Batman needed to understand because he couldn't figure him out.

You're comparing a character study to a film featuring a fully fledged character, it's like comparing an apple to a grapefruit and saying it's a shitty fruit because it's not tart enough. Or, for a more specific example, complaining that the first Star Wars sucked because we don't know everything about Vader's past.

The problem I have with this Joker is that he's painted as a down on his luck sympathetic character. Any iteration of the Joker I've seen shows him as a highly competent albeit disturbed individual but he isn't even hinted at as highly competent in this movie even after he starts coming into his own, which, no matter how disturbed, that intelligence doesn't simply develop, it should have already been there and we should've seen shades of it. I needed to believe at the end that this was the beginning of a mastermind who could challenge Batman, what I got was a fairly average mentally ill guy who snapped and wanted people to stop being meanie heads to him. That doesn't work for me, especially after the brilliance that was TDK. If it does for you, that's fine, your enjoyment of the movie doesn't hurt my feelers.

Yes that bothered me as well. By merit of character, the joker of TDK was a good fighter, had weapons and military training as well as guerrilla warfare tactics. This Joker was simply too incompetent from the Ledger Joker. Like different human beings. I was expecting Arthur Fleck to be a prototype of future Joker.

I mean it didn't make any sense! Joker is portrayed as being 5 years older than Bruce Wayne in most depictions if not around the same age. Joaquin Phoenix is like 44 years old and they picked him because they wanted an older guy who was beaten by life by that point. To me he cant be the true joker because he would be too old to rival Bruce Wayne.


If Bruce is a kid and Arthur Fleck is in his mid 40s, then it wont make sense by the time Bruce becomes Batman, Arthur would be in his mid-60s to early 70s. With that, I was expecting the end to revolve around a kid who would become the true Joker. I mean, before Joker was created, we had this dude:

That being said, the movie was wonderful in a sense that if a real life dude wanted to be a joker then they would be the Arthur Fleck version since Ledger is too unrealistically capable.

 

[IamStryker]

Just saw it today. Good movie but would only recommend to people very interested in a joker origin story. Anyone else would probably get bored at points in the movie.

Spoiler

I thought the movie should have ended with joker standing on the car

 

[deviake]

Yes that bothered me as well. By merit of character, the joker of TDK was a good fighter, had weapons and military training as well as guerrilla warfare tactics. This Joker was simply too incompetent from the Ledger Joker. Like different human beings. I was expecting Arthur Fleck to be a prototype of future Joker.

I mean it didn't make any sense! Joker is portrayed as being 5 years older than Bruce Wayne in most depictions if not around the same age. Joaquin Phoenix is like 44 years old and they picked him because they wanted an older guy who was beaten by life by that point. To me he cant be the true joker because he would be too old to rival Bruce Wayne.


If Bruce is a kid and Arthur Fleck is in his mid 40s, then it wont make sense by the time Bruce becomes Batman, Arthur would be in his mid-60s to early 70s. With that, I was expecting the end to revolve around a kid who would become the true Joker. I mean, before Joker was created, we had this dude:

That being said, the movie was wonderful in a sense that if a real life dude wanted to be a joker then they would be the Arthur Fleck version since Ledger is too unrealistically capable.

Good points. At the very least, I'd expect the Joker, even in his early stages, to be clever and capably manipulative. For me, he's gotta be smart, maybe even well read, have already been involved in street crime, something. Even simple things like showing him performing magic tricks, hustling cards, anything. Plus, as you said, this Joker was way too old, that's a glaring detail.

I watched a video earlier that theorizes the the Joker in TDK was a combat veteran who was special forces, which perfectly fits the mold for Ledger's Joker.

 

[sheddy]

I watched it yesterday and thought it was brilliant.
A modern day classic.
In times where movie companies are hanging on to franchises(star wars, terminator...), here is a movie, a one-off, that dares to put a different spin on a character.

We didn't get much Joker, but did get a thought provoking tale of how mental illness can push people over the edge.
It was brewing all film.
There is also glimpses into Fleck's past, so his actions had been brewing until boiling point.
Whilst the Joker and Batman might not be believable characters, Arthur Fleck is.
Great performance.

I watched this movie, got home later that night.
Switched on the TV only to see clips on the news of the rioting/protests in Hong Kong.
Hmmm...

Joker is ambiguous and the story leaves a lot to think about.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Joker is white and a straight male

More than enough to spark an outrage

Fixed that for you

 

[Ogata]

Just saw it today. Good movie but would only recommend to people very interested in a joker origin story. Anyone else would probably get bored at points in the movie.

Spoiler

I thought the movie should have ended with joker standing on the car

I agree regarding the ending. The pose was so beautiful and its like he found his confidence.

Good points. At the very least, I'd expect the Joker, even in his early stages, to be clever and capably manipulative. For me, he's gotta be smart, maybe even well read, have already been involved in street crime, something. Even simple things like showing him performing magic tricks, hustling cards, anything. Plus, as you said, this Joker was way too old, that's a glaring detail.

I watched a video earlier that theorizes the the Joker in TDK was a combat veteran who was special forces, which perfectly fits the mold for Ledger's Joker.

I feel the same, my avatar is ledger joker without the make up. In this scene he shoots the Mayor with a great aim. Clearly its a shot that requires great skill and concentration. Ledger Joker was a surgeon, expert in all forms of weaponry and a super genius in manipulation and psychology. Closest thing to get his skills is to be trained in Guerrilla war tactics. Specially in the hostage scene where he had the hostages tied up standing like they are the kidnappers while real kidnappers were covered up on the floor like hostages. That's seriously an advance form of guerrilla style tact tic. Misdirection and confusion.

Its a perfect yin to Batman's yang. One guy is a ninjutsu trained with most modern vehicle and up to date weapons and armor, the very best money can buy. While the other guy is just using basic weapons mixed with ingenious tactics. Also in his "pencil trick" he used a judo technique when he slammed the dude on the table.

Arthur Fleck was a fantastic character in his own right, but him being incapable and clumsy made him very much removed from the iconic character of joker. However, I am down to see a sequel with Arthur Fleck and the continuation of his story that revolves around a plot with him saving or inspiring some kid who grows up as a joker that is the true rival and age range of Bruce Wayne. This is something I would love to see.

 

[IamStryker]

Arthur Fleck was a fantastic character in his own right, but him being incapable and clumsy made him very much removed from the iconic character of joker. However, I am down to see a sequel with Arthur Fleck and the continuation of his story that revolves around a plot with him saving or inspiring some kid who grows up as a joker that is the true rival and age range of Bruce Wayne. This is something I would love to see.

That would be pretty cool. The age thing threw me off a bit. This guy couldn't be joker on that one single factor. He would be over 60 years old by the time batman even arrived.

 

[SamSchmidt]

That would be pretty cool. The age thing threw me off a bit. This guy couldn't be joker on that one single factor. He would be over 60 years old by the time batman even arrived.

Nah I don't think it would be that bad. We have pointed this out. I think it would be a 47 year old joker vs a 25 year old Batman. Not a big deal. Especially since joker is more ideologically opposed than physically,opposed

 

[armbarforhire]

Good points. At the very least, I'd expect the Joker, even in his early stages, to be clever and capably manipulative. For me, he's gotta be smart, maybe even well read, have already been involved in street crime, something. Even simple things like showing him performing magic tricks, hustling cards, anything. Plus, as you said, this Joker was way too old, that's a glaring detail.

I watched a video earlier that theorizes the the Joker in TDK was a combat veteran who was special forces, which perfectly fits the mold for Ledger's Joker.

I kinda felt Fleck was portrait as kinda slow, I cant really see him as a mastemind criminal. I really have no problem for this movie as a stand alone, if they really try to make a sequel or bring Batman the movie will go to shit, a guy dragging a heavy ass cape and wearing bat ears will look more crazy than the Joker in this take.

 

[armbarforhire]

This right here is my only gripe with the film, we never saw the Joker looking and being this evil.