Movies JOKER v.3 (Dragonlord's Review)

[brokenjaw]

Phoenix is amazing in the movie, but maaan is this shit heavy. The movies gave me Requiem for a dream emotionally empty feels.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

This film actually had a 96 million dollar opening(domestic)

According to boxofficemojo.com

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

For reference

Justice League had a 93 million dollar opening

The Joker had a bigger opening than Justice League

 

[Ogata]

Not going to spoil the movie, I don't even know if I can spoil it. But the disturbing part is the fact that it was really real!

I thought that the Ledger Joker was realistic but if you notice, Ledger Joker is too charismatic and too resourceful. I don't even mean the fact that he wins against the mob/police but rather just his mannerism, his body language, his sense of humor, his style of speech is too fantastic, too refined and knows how to say the right things at the right time as well as being a great hand to hand fighter.

Unlike the Heath Ledger Joker, this dude was unfunny, jittery, nervous wreck and this would make him more realistic than any Joker. It really feels like a real life guy who is trying to be a Ledger Joker but cant because most people don't have the charisma or charm to pull it off.

Fuck I am at a lose for words...

 

[Drain Bamage]

Yeah Nolan Joker was typical perfect omniscient movie villain, not realistic at all. By the end of the movie he's pulling strings in a godlike manner.

Havent seen Joker yet, waiting for home release.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

It was based off Sherdog posters.

 

[Benjamin Burton]

I just know he's getting beat up by a bunch of random teens or some shit in the trailers it looks lame but yeah he's probably an average sherdogger good call

 

[Amerikuracana]

When you have mental illness and/or trauma from mental illness in your life whether it's family, yourself, or your closest friends, it hits home badly imo. Watching somebody in utter despair let down and ignored by anyone and everyone who could have helped, then slowly slip away is just hard to watch in parts.

Sometimes it's just being a little different. Fake and phoney is so in right now that i think the sane ones are having issues. Look at the people running for president not saying one single real thing; having zero deep wisdom in anything they say, but just pathetic talking points and point scoring as fake victims. They literally sound insane. I voted for Obama and I'm not a huge Republican fan by any stretch, but people that fake and just not real in any way are literally nuts.

The flakes that buy the media narrative about all the social issues that are starting to infect high levels of society are literally nuts. A completely normal man from 1985 would be seen as having a problem these days; women using courts and b.s. police to play "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable" when it comes to power over the home and children etc...

You can be pretty sane, real, and normal, and be cast out right now. I've been mobbed at jobs for literally nothing, and then been on the shitty people's side a couple times as well, although it wasn't my thing to go in on "let's be am asshole to this guy," because I was generally focused on production. But hell, 'Joker ' could have taken a fairly historically normal man with no "protected status" and had him get the raw deal enough to drive him nuts. The flakes that are actually nuts who believe fruity nutty things that are trying to take over realize this, and that's why the movie scares them.

The yuppies and Wayne being the bad guys is questionable.. It's aggressive women and uncool weaklings that are ganging up on people in "professional" environments, and in terms of "beat you up and rob you for nothing," well that is generally urban culture spreading out and sucking. The flakes that hate in this movie for social reasons should feel thankful it comically put strong white guys in the role of the mean spirited, and the urban decayers, because we know what this movie could have looked like.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

While not quite on the same level, I do think this will be this generations version of Taxi Driver. It deals with similar themes and since this gen doesn't have a Vietnam, it does have mental illness and I think it's going to be looked at as a masterpiece over time.

Phoenix's acting was wonderful but what really stood out for me was the soundtrack/score and the cinematagrphy. Everything was shot so well. The shots were huge in scope and they just don't make movies like that anymore.

You could hear a pin drop the entire time in the theater which was really impressive. I didn't think the audience was smart enough for a movie like this anymore and was pleasantly surprised.

 

[trident]

They are two different time periods in the Jokers life. I havent seen the new movie but from the omnipresence chatter on it I can discern how Phoenix's Joker becomes the Ledger version.

 

[Ogata]

Yeah Nolan Joker was typical perfect omniscient movie villain, not realistic at all. By the end of the movie he's pulling strings in a godlike manner.

Havent seen Joker yet, waiting for home release.

True, I tried to rationalize him as some guerrilla style soldier but then he knew so much more than guerrilla tactics. He knew surgery, he knew how to fight, could brawl, could grapple and was way too quick even for a powerful thug. He was like an evil/chaotic version of Jason Bourne but even more so because he was tactical and well versed in techs.

Omniscient villain is a great way to describe it. No super powers but its like he had some strange mastery of every single real life skill that humankind came up with.

It was based off Sherdog posters.

That's odd, I think you are commenting on the wrong movie. Joker was shirtless in his underwear and did not look like he was 6,4 265 pure muscle. Also he couldn't fight for shit in this movie.

I just know he's getting beat up by a bunch of random teens or some shit in the trailers it looks lame but yeah he's probably an average sherdogger good call

Not 6,5 265 badass.

 

[Amerikuracana]

This would have worked in the thread dedicated to the movie, with respect to your opinion.

 

[Streeter]

If DC did more movies like this, they'd be more even keel with Marvel. DC needs to be dark. I realize not every movie can be like Joker, but damn...I enjoyed Joker more than I did Endgame.

2 totally different type of movies.

That was second most funny part of that scene. I was still laughing from the first hilarious thing he said.

No tough to beat a midget staring up at a latch he knows he cant resch an knowing........ he has to ask. That's goat level funny

 

[Happy Man]

Joker is white and a male

More than enough to spark an outrage

Exactly right.

Aurthur fleck is a symbol of the racist patriarchy and all it’s misogyny.

Author fleck cannot be a victim bc he is an oppressor bc of The color skin he was born with.

Aurthur fleck has white privilege and it’s unfair to POC.

Aurthur fleck was branded the enemy as soon as he was born. One look at him is all they need.

The movie is aurthur fleck becoming the joker and raging at the nonsense around him. And getting his revenge.

Many panties were twisted for many a critic

 

[Amerikuracana]

2 totally different type of movies.


No tough to beat a midget staring up at a latch he knows he cant resch an knowing........ he has to ask. That's goat level funny

What he said when they asked him "So why the paint?" Was so quick it flew right by the 20 people in my theatre. It made me crack up.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Exactly right.

Aurthur fleck is a symbol of the racist patriarchy and all it’s misogyny.

Author fleck cannot be a victim bc he is an oppressor bc of The color skin he was born with.

Aurthur fleck has white privilege and it’s unfair to POC.

Aurthur fleck was branded the enemy as soon as he was born. One look at him is all they need.

The movie is aurthur fleck becoming the joker and raging at the nonsense around him. And getting his revenge.

Many panties were twisted for many a critic

Being a white male that's a little different? Forget about it. The only people in America it's legal to be mean to.

 

[MicroBrew]

Sometimes it's just being a little different. Fake and phoney is so in right now that i think the sane ones are having issues. Look at the people running for president not saying one single real thing; having zero deep wisdom in anything they say, but just pathetic talking points and point scoring as fake victims. They literally sound insane. I voted for Obama and I'm not a huge Republican fan by any stretch, but people that fake and just not real in any way are literally nuts.

The flakes that buy the media narrative about all the social issues that are starting to infect high levels of society are literally nuts. A completely normal man from 1985 would be seen as having a problem these days; women using courts and b.s. police to play "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is negotiable" when it comes to power over the home and children etc...

You can be pretty sane, real, and normal, and be cast out right now. I've been mobbed at jobs for literally nothing, and then been on the shitty people's side a couple times as well, although it wasn't my thing to go in on "let's be am asshole to this guy," because I was generally focused on production. But hell, 'Joker ' could have taken a fairly historically normal man with no "protected status" and had him get the raw deal enough to drive him nuts. The flakes that are actually nuts who believe fruity nutty things that are trying to take over realize this, and that's why the movie scares them.

The yuppies and Wayne being the bad guys is questionable.. It's aggressive women and uncool weaklings that are ganging up on people in "professional" environments, and in terms of "beat you up and rob you for nothing," well that is generally urban culture spreading out and sucking. The flakes that hate in this movie for social reasons should feel thankful it comically put strong white guys in the role of the mean spirited, and the urban decayers, because we know what this movie could have looked like.

I really doubt anyone is looking at this movie from some kind of race angle.

This movie reminds me of Falling Down, of a guy who just snaps. The social justice angle , if people see one, would be the small uprising against the wealthy and entitled by the working class.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

I really doubt anyone is looking at this movie from some kind of race angle.

This movie reminds me of Falling Down, of a guy who just snaps. The social justice angle , if people see one, would be the small uprising against the wealthy and entitled by the working class.

Even then it's up to interpretation on if the people are right in rising up against the rich, or it shows how disgruntled and down trodden people can be so easily rallied to perform heinous acts.

 

[deviake]

He has plenty of time over the next couple decades to become a criminal mastermind as Bruce grows up.

In DK Joker lifting that veneer on society is his mission but that’s not a motive. A motive would be WHY he is obsessed to the point of sacrificing himself to lift the veneer. You can literally watch the moment the writers gave up developing a motive for it when they have Alfred say “fuck it, this guy just likes watching the world burn. Don’t ask anymore about it audience . He’s just super edgy.” New Joker has a clear reason to be obsessed with ruining the Waynes/their system that protects people like them but not him. New Joker has a motive for having a sick love/hate relationship with his brother Bruce where he won’t kill him.

Dark Knight Joker was well acted, but otherwise puddle deep character and nothing about him made sense thus they didn’t even try to explain anything about his motives or develop the character. Just a smart criminal who plays dress up because it looks edgy.

Why is Joker obsessed with comedy and being a clown, with making everything into a joke? Ummm yeah that does need an explanation beyond “well its his nickname.” The obsession with clowning and the developed comedy/clown skills which is his biggest defining trait needs to be rooted in something. No explanation in DK, the make up and costume are just cheap visuals to sell you on him being so “crazy and different” without writing it in the script. New Joker it’s crystal clear where those comedy skills/obsession comes from.

Joker is supposed to the most mentally ill villain in Batman’s world and new Joker didn’t need the costume and make up to sell that, which was refreshing. It was an actually crazy person trying but failing to control it and then embracing it. Not a genius trying really really hard to convince everyone in the room he was crazy without actually being ill like DK.

TDK Joker's motivations are clear, The Joker literally explains why he does what he does, the only thing they don't explain is his past. There's layers that you seem to have missed. Leaving his background a mystery in TDK is intentional, not an oversight. He's written as the ideological opposite of Batman and the line about the world burning is to show Batman that he couldn't handle Joker the way he has others because he doesn't have typical motivations which is what Batman needed to understand because he couldn't figure him out.

You're comparing a character study to a film featuring a fully fledged character, it's like comparing an apple to a grapefruit and saying it's a shitty fruit because it's not tart enough. Or, for a more specific example, complaining that the first Star Wars sucked because we don't know everything about Vader's past.

The problem I have with this Joker is that he's painted as a down on his luck sympathetic character. Any iteration of the Joker I've seen shows him as a highly competent albeit disturbed individual but he isn't even hinted at as highly competent in this movie even after he starts coming into his own, which, no matter how disturbed, that intelligence doesn't simply develop, it should have already been there and we should've seen shades of it. I needed to believe at the end that this was the beginning of a mastermind who could challenge Batman, what I got was a fairly average mentally ill guy who snapped and wanted people to stop being meanie heads to him. That doesn't work for me, especially after the brilliance that was TDK. If it does for you, that's fine, your enjoyment of the movie doesn't hurt my feelers.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

While not quite on the same level, I do think this will be this generations version of Taxi Driver. It deals with similar themes and since this gen doesn't have a Vietnam, it does have mental illness and I think it's going to be looked at as a masterpiece over time.

Phoenix's acting was wonderful but what really stood out for me was the soundtrack/score and the cinematagrphy. Everything was shot so well. The shots were huge in scope and they just don't make movies like that anymore.

You could hear a pin drop the entire time in the theater which was really impressive. I didn't think the audience was smart enough for a movie like this anymore and was pleasantly surprised.

Video that came out today of Todd Phillips's breakdown of the opening scene which he explains the score, cinematography, acting ..etc. It's fascinating the amount of thought that goes into movies like this.