Movies JOKER v.3 (Dragonlord's Review)

If you have seen JOKER, how would you rate it?


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Got my ticket for 11:40. Being a DC nerd I'll tell ya what i think.

I bet I'm the only one here who still plays DC universe online : /
 
I'm seeing it tonight and I'm stoked.

Last Friday night, I watched Taxi Driver for the first time. Everyone was making comparisons to these two movies, so I figured I'd watch it to get a better understanding of what I was getting in to. Taxi Driver had me engaged from opening scene to closing. If Joker is anything like that, I can tell you already that I'll be pleased.

I've probably seen Taxi Driver about 10 times. One of my top 3 movies ever. I'm not a comic book movie guy, I've never seen any of the Avengers movies or anything like that but I'm excited to see the Joker. It just looks like a dark character study along the lines of There Will Be Blood or Taxi Driver. And Joaquin might be the best actor working today.
 
I agree it's sad, he could easily transition to playing older roles and just do supporting roles not lead roles. I can see him playing the senior guy who's giving advice to his young pupil. He could easily have epic monologues even the older he gets. I know he semi-retired before quite a few times actually. 5 year lay off his longest. So who know's it could be just another semi-retirement. We just have to wait another 4 years to see if he changes his mind again. But unfortunately this is the first time he officially said he's retired. So this could be it sadly.
He seems like a perfectionist. He has to go all out or do nothing. I bet it takes a huge toll on him to go that much in character.
 
There's plenty of movies with Joker being Joker. This is a pre-Joker and it's refreshingly different. You want more of it because you know this version is awesome.

I don't think Phoenix is on record and personally stated that it's a one and done movie (or maybe he is and I haven't seen that interview yet). The director stated as such but things change. If the movie does incredibly well and the public demands a sequel they'd be crazy not to do it (or at least consider it). Hell they may throw this version of the Joker back into their broken DC universe. There are no Jokers for the upcoming new Batman movie with Patterson so he could easily slide into that universe in those sequels if Phoenix really wanted to do it. Problem with Phoenix though is they will have to create an awesome script that will interest him.
thing is Phoenix doesnt care much about the money ...... he care about the script an originality. He turned down big Marvel paydays to play Dr Strange n Hulk. I hope he does tho ...... really doubt it.

I will say thos was the best Joker to date just for the realism n it dodmt feel comic book.
 
He seems like a perfectionist. He has to go all out or do nothing. I bet it takes a huge toll on him to go that much in character.
Hes like DDL , Gary Oldman , Christian Bale. All dooshbags in real life but thos are 4 of the top actors alive right now
 
Phoenix was amazing, like a GOAT performance, in this movie.

BUT everything else was average.

What wasn't average was that it didn't treat you like an idiot. Important details in the plot were just glanced over on a newspaper for a second. The movie assumed you're literate enough to read that newspaper's main points in a second. Anyone literate should be able to. But most movies and TV shows nowadays assume you can't even pay attention to a sentence. I think reviewers are mistaking treating your audience as not retarded, a rarity in 2019, as being an amazing talent.
 
I have just watched it, its one of my favourite films of all time. I fucking loved it.

The cinematography, Joaquin Phoenix's masterful performance, and man this movie just has such marvellous exploration of the character. The slow and gradual transition from a sympathetic, highly wronged & abused man with mental health issues into the deranged and ruthless Joker we know.

One scene, in particular, could be a summary for the whole film. The train scene with the 3 dudes.

Spoilers
I love how when the confrontation starts, and Joker gets beat down (similar to the first portions of the movie), he re-actively shoots the first two dudes, and is surprised at himself, then shoots the third dude in the leg. He is in shock, but then gathers himself, and he knows he needs to finish the job of the third. This fella is trying to run away, and Joker calmly aims and shoots (I take this as Joker slowly becoming sure of himself - second half of the movie where he stops taking his medication), then he shoots and finishes in anger (the final stage of Joker - last third of the movie - deranged and fucked up). Im sure people more articulate could summarise it better than I.

There were so many shots I loved in this film, holy fuck. It felt like another De Niro classic film, Taxi Driver, aswell.

I cant wait to rewatch it again.

10/10
 
Joker is gonna say the N-word. There's only a few hours left on the countdown.

A hard R was promised.
 
He seems like a perfectionist. He has to go all out or do nothing. I bet it takes a huge toll on him to go that much in character.

That's true. That's why you would never see him do a TV show only if it's a mini-series.

(Which he could have been in Chernobyl he was the initial pick for the Jared Harris role)

Keeping in character for several years would be crazy for him.

Although I wonder what he does now being a perfectionist as he is. He must be doing something to keep that mind and body busy. When he was off for 5 years starting at 96-97 the rumor is he became a cobbler. So yeah the guy very fascinating. He must be doing something to keep that brilliant mind occupied.
 
Update: October 3, 2019

Dragonlord’s Review of JOKER
(No Spoilers)

Bottom Line: With an origin story no one asked for nor wanted, Todd Phillips’ Joker is a stylish, gritty, psychological crime drama featuring a tour de force performance by Joaquin Phoenix.

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After the failures of Batman v Superman and Justice League, Warner Bros. decided to de-emphasize their focus on the DC Extended Universe and just use the following principles: Throw anything against the wall and see what sticks and then build a universe around what worked. And so, Todd Phillips’ Joker was born (and possibly DC Dark). Nobody was really clamoring for a Joker origin movie and most of the fans prefer the character’s history to be ambiguous and more of a multiple choice as shown by Alan Moore and Christopher Nolan.

Meant as a standalone tale unrelated to the DCEU, Joker is a realistic origin take on Batman’s arch-nemesis and the tragic circumstances on how he came to be the Clown Prince of Crime. Joaquin Phoenix stars as Arthur Fleck, a mentally-imbalanced aspiring comedian who suffers from a medical condition that causes uncontrollable laughter. When he’s not stalking his female neighbor, he works as a clown and lives with his frail mother. Battered by the cities’ griminess and harshness, abandoned by the system and betrayed by people close to him, Fleck’s descent towards madness threatens to burn everyone around him and change Gotham City forever.

Acquiring some cool cred, hamming it up for the cameras and being mentioned alongside Nicholson and Ledger, Joker is one of those iconic roles every character actor dreams of landing. Phoenix gives a brilliant, evocative performance that will likely earn him an Oscar nomination (or win) next year. Aside from his incredibly nuanced and emotionally powerful acting, Phoenix transforms himself physically to an emaciated bod worthy of Christian Bale in The Machinist. There are so many compelling little details Phoenix imparts with that people will surely dissect and discuss his performance for years to come. One particular behavior I found to be fascinating is Fleck’s slow victory dance which in my mind originated as a Tai Chi but evolved into something more creepy and sinister.

Just like Hans Zimmer’s score played an instrumental part in The Dark Knight’s success, Hildur Guðnadóttir’s haunting score packs the film with ominous feelings of dread which captivates the audience at even the most mundane scene. With Joker’s story set roughly around 1981, Lawrence Sher’s dazzling cinematography captures the dour urban decay of that era. The atmospheric look is fitting since Phillips’ drew inspiration from Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy and a few other films and pretty cool for Robert De Niro to be part of the cast as he was the star in the two films mentioned.

What could have made Joker into a truly disturbing piece of cinema is if the murders onscreen weren’t just restricted to victims that “had it coming.” It sort of becomes a bit predictable on who’s going to die and where the plot is heading based on the movies it drew upon. The movie goes out its way to make the audience sympathize with underdog Fleck and make them cheer when he finally transforms in full Joker mode. On one hand, making the Joker into a pitying anti-hero is fine, but on the other hand this is the Joker we are talking about; He is supposed to be a destructive force of nature, evil incarnate to some if you will, not someone you should be rooting for.

Overall, Joaquin Phoenix’s outstanding Oscar-worthy performance is a must-see, catapulting Joker alongside Logan and Watchmen in the list of top R-rated comic book movies ever made.

Preliminary Rating: 8/10



Thanks for the review bud.. I’m looking forward to seeing this a little more now. After years of reading your reviews I feel at this point that if you enjoyed a flick, I’ll most likely dig it too. There’s been a few that weren’t my style over the years, but I find that for the most part a high water mark from you is a step in the right direction.


I am a little disappointed at being right about Joker killing/doing harm to those that deserve it -the sympathy angle. But I knew it was coming.


I don’t know that I would agee that the Joker should be ‘evil personified’ as much as a feel he should be madness personified.. similar to how, to me anyway, Anton Chiguhr was ‘indifferent-inevitable conclusion’ personified. Like the Grim Reaper, not quite evil, but he has a job to do..
 
The more I think about it, the more I like the movie. So much to digest.
 
He seems like a perfectionist. He has to go all out or do nothing. I bet it takes a huge toll on him to go that much in character.

According to legend, the reason Lewis quit stage acting was, while playing Hamlet, he actually saw his real father's ghost in the audience:eek:
 
It's like years now between his rare appearances, and he'll just Irish it the entire time acting like he never left. No "hey I'm back" just a few comments and dip.



It’s his style I guess. Place isn’t the same without him tho..
 
Did anyone think it would have been a nice twist for Joker to have killed Bruce Wayne? Precisely because it's a stand alone film and we'll never get to see Batman in this universe (let alone him battling The Joker), so it would have made an interesting alternate turn of events if The Joker had prevented someone like Batman from ever existing without even knowing it. Nice bit of dramatic irony for us, the audience
 
I couldn’t be any less hyped for Matt Reeves Batman after seeing The Joker
It's gonna look even worse in comparison than Dark Phoenix following Logan.


I wonder how many of the people praising Joker after watching it were bitching in the earlier threads about his incel origin. Joker purists mad because it defies canon lol.
 
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