Media Joe Rogan: ''Khabib is the MMA GOAT '' Vol.46

Anyone who invokes the "muh title defenses!" fallacy is a moron. GSP was gifted a title shot after 2 UFC wins. Khabib had to win 9 in a row. Case closed.

What a moron.....might be the most uneducated and laughable post of 2021 here on the 'Dog.

Khabib fought 16 straight bums in Dagestan. He literally had no record coming to the UFC. Bums. Half the man's career was a warmup. LOL

GSP, conversely, was thrown right to the wolves and dominated legit fighters.

Look at GSP's first 16 fights. Then look at Khabib's. Then GSP's.

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I like that Khabib bowed out at his peak.

But it also means that he didn't rack up the numbers to be a GOAT contender, imo.

Also, in 2 or 3 WEEKS Rogan will probably be calling someone else the GOAT. He's the kind of person who is caught up is whatever the big thing is right now.

Fixed that for you.
 
I think the guy who failed multiple drug tests and whose best win is a decision over a 35 year old who if he had a somewhat low body fat would fight at least one division below is better.
Are you actually so insane with Jones-hatred that you're claiming that DC could have competed at 185?

Whatever legitimate points you may have been raising are completely decimated by the complete stupidity of actually typing that and posting it.
 


''He smashed everybody. Undefeated as a World Champion, the last guy he beat was, would many people thought would be his most dangerous challenge, and he almost had him in the first round, he got him in the second round. He is the greatest of all time.''


My man Rogan changes his tune every couple years (Like all of us I suppose)

Khabib was a beast, no doubt; but there is no way that a guy with 3 title defences is GOAT when you have dudes like Jones, Aldo, GSP, Anderson and MM.

Hell BJ Penn had more title defences than Khabib
 
Tavares was on a 2 fight winstreak.

lmfao

RDA was streaking against Dunham, Bocek, Cerrone and a couple of lol's. Cerrone is a more notable win than 22 of Khabib's 29 wins.

Matt Serra's win over Chris Lytle and Yves Edwards were more impressive than Khabib's first 21 of his 29 wins.

Khabib most impressive part of (and only) his resume spans basically 3 years and 5 wins: Barboza, Al laquinta, Conor, Dustin and Justin.

he can never be GOAT when he side stepped Tony and missed weight multiple times after only defending a title 3 times. He's not even the GOAT LW of all time.
 
Khabib's win over sambo champion Eldarov before his UFC debut is more impressive than any of GSP's wins over literal who pre-UFC opponents with zero credentials.

GSP was gifted a title shot after his 2nd UFC fight and pissed the bed, because he was never even half as good as Khabib. Imagine losing by submission to a wrestler <Lmaoo>
Imagine getting KTFO by a fat LW at WW <Lmaoo>
Imagine being gifted a win in a fight where your opponent inflicted all the damage <Lmaoo>

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Imagine running away from the sport with your tail between your legs the moment strict drug testing is introduced <Lmaoo>

Nice """GOAT""". No wonder the overwhelming majority of people in a 500k responder poll chose Khabib over him.

I don't think GSP is the GOAT, lol. I don't even like him. And I'm Canadian.

Fedor is the GOAT. GSP somewhere in the top 5 without debate though.

Khabib isn't even a lock in a LW discussion, let alone cracking a Top 10 all-time list. The guy's resume is embarrassing as fuck. 16 bums. 13-0 in the bigs against mid-tier UFC fighters, also universally primary strikers. He's also a huge cut to LW, cause he can't hang at 170.

It's like you don't even follow the sport bro.

That "Simple" part of your handle is most certainly accurate.
 
Very good point. Jones, Anderson, and GSP got title shots early. Khabib had to clean out his division first.

But 5 round title fights are different and even though it's not Khabib's fault, it's something his detractors will always point to.
Lol, what? Al and FW Johnson are not exactly ‘cleaning out the division’. He still has never fought a true elite grappler. Hendo-itis Gaethje does not count. Just lol if you think Khabib cutting 50 pounds to beat up featherweights makes him the GOAT. You should check out Julio Cesar Neves; dude compiled a 30-0 record.
 
Khabib isn't even a lock in a LW discussion, let alone cracking a Top 10 all-time list. The guy's resume is embarrassing as fuck. 16 bums. 13-0 in the bigs against mid-tier UFC fighters, also universally primary strikers. He's also a huge cut to LW, cause he can't hang at 170.
Okay this is all ridiculous at this point. I don't think Khabib is THE GOAT but he's certainly the LW GOAT, you don't go 29-0 on accident and him being scared at WW is ridiculous too, Aldo was a big FW who lost once at 155, doesn't mean he was scared, Robbie Lawler fought half his career at 185 before becoming champion at 170, doesn't mean he was scared.
 
How you can consider someone the greatest at a sport called MIXED martial arts, without ever fighting an elite high level MMA wrestler or a dangerous submission artist is beyond me.

This is especially important for a specialist like Khabib because he NEEDS that takedown to secure the win, what happens if he fights someone good enough to stuff his takedowns? Or has a dangerous guard?

He has beat legitimately dangerous strikers, that I'll give to him, but those were all favourable matchups to him.

Not even gonna start at how he only beat 3 elite level competition...
 
These GOAT threads never go anywhere. It just leads to shit slinging on whoever is called GOAT in the OP and on every other fighter other people think should be the GOAT instead. Give it a rest.
 
RDA, Mcgregor, Porrier, Justin, Barboza, Michael Jhonson. Everyone except from mcgregor was at their peak when he beat theme, RDA was on a 5 fight win streak and became champ after, Johnson had just ko'ed porrier the fight before, porrier was the interm champ, so was justin after dominating Ferguson, Barboza was on a 3 fight win streak before facing khabib. Point is, he fought the best lightweights at his time except for Ferguson but judging how he looked in the justin fight I don't think he would have stood much of a chance either.
I didn’t say all of his competition was sub par, but you’re struggling to come up with even 5 names and needed to bring Michael Johnson into it, that’s not a championship level win.
 
Okay this is all ridiculous at this point. I don't think Khabib is THE GOAT but he's certainly the LW GOAT, you don't go 29-0 on accident and him being scared at WW is ridiculous too, Aldo was a big FW who lost once at 155, doesn't mean he was scared, Robbie Lawler fought half his career at 185 before becoming champion at 170, doesn't mean he was scared.
I'm not implying he was ever scared, I'm simply saying he's a big LW and avoided the wresters at 170. You only think he's the LW GOAT because of the 29-0 metric, without allowing for the 50% nobody/bum ratio. It's impressive for sure, but not that impressive. And certainly not even in the same area code of impressive that was GSPs career.

The Lawler analogy is odd. Firstly because he fought in multiple weights, I'm not sure the comparison? Secondly, imagine ever needing to explain to somebody that Robbie Lawler was not afraid to fight. There's probably been nobody LESS AFRAID to fight in MMA history than Robbie Lawler. The guy is the poster child for warrior and a top 5 favourite of mine since he first came into the UFC as a straight up killer.

Khabib's a monster, don't get me wrong. But when you cool the fanboy jets and objectively start looking at multiple aspects of his career, they simply don't hold up against other GOAT contenders.
 
Jones and gsp would destroy khabibs competition cant say the same about khabib though
 
Anderson/Jones/DJ - 11 title defenses

Aldo/GSP - 9 title defenses

Khabib - 3 title defenses

Bob Petit - 2 NBA MVP's

Kevin Durant - 1 NBA MVP

Shaquille O'Neil - 1 NBA MVP

Well, that settles that. Thanks for your contribution mate, couldn't have done it without your insight. Incidentally, I appreciate you and whoever else makes this same post in all of these threads.

I know that may read as sarcastic but I promise you It's legit.

I promise.

pinkie swear...
 
Are you actually so insane with Jones-hatred that you're claiming that DC could have competed at 185?

Whatever legitimate points you may have been raising are completely decimated by the complete stupidity of actually typing that and posting it.
You know, i wish Jones was clean, because i'd love to be a fan of his, i find him really interesting as a fighter, but this stands in detriment to what i consider wrong (cheating).

Regardless, i'll be honest - and sometimes these are wildly unpopular opinions - about anything, even the fighters i like.
For example i'd love to be a complete 100% confident that GSP - one of my favorite fighters - was clean during his career and while i assume he was, i'd never say that he - or anyone else competing pre-USADA - was definitely and without any doubt clean.

Back to Jones: i won't deny that i criticize him extremely often - if you want to call that insane, you have every right to do so - but regardless of any ill feelings you or anyone else might (totally understandably) have for me in some instances, i'd like people to stay objective.

As for Cormier: height and reach are not the sole factors in determining how much mass is naturally on a frame and because i acknowledge that, i do say that despite them being equal in height and reach, Daniel Cormier could NEVER diet down so much that he'd be able to make 145 without going to the hospital, like - no fucking way would he be able to do that. But 185 pounds? I don't think that even with his ribcage being wide and his bones being thicker (resulting in more muscle having space to be attached to the skeleton) than that of the average guy, that if he followed a diet where he stayed at a body fat percentage of about 10-12%, that he would not be able to make middleweight, because you also gotta keep in mind, that those 185 pounds are the weight he cuts down to, meaning that hydrated but in good shape body-fat wise, he'd be 200 pounds at least and that's with a rather small weightcut of 15 pounds, plus - unless he trains specifically for it, he'd not just lose fat, but a bit of muscle too.

So long story short: with what i currently know and have seen and read about, i think that with a strict diet and at an "athletic" body fat percentage, i am sure that even with his sturdy build, Cormier should be able to make middleweight, weighing about 205 to 210 pounds inside the cage, if not less.
For comparison, 6'0" Yoel Romero, despite being absurdly muscular, weighed 209 pounds (or so) inside the cage, 6'1", Paulo Costa 213.8 and 6'0" Marvin Vettori 211 pounds.
 
Khabib got his title shot really late in the UFC, others got it quicker hence the longer title defenses.


And they didnt have Conor in their division getting special privilege and title fights.
 
Jones is head and shoulders above everyone. yeah he roided but so does everyone. he just got caught
 
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