Joe Rogan isnt sold on the Bing Bang theory finds Jesus resurrection more plausible

[Satur9]

i seen my body floating away over my city and there was a swarm of bats going around saying some kind of satanic shit to me. it was more fucked up than any shrooms or acid trips i've ever been on. and then 10 minutes later i came back down to almost normal and had a beer.

the high kicked in like immediately after i took a rip. next thing you know i'm clutching on to a fireplace mantle for dear life trying to stop myself from floating away. and then i had an out of body experience watching myself float away. most fucked up drug i've ever been on. not only was i seeing shit but i was hearing shit too.

My experience would not be believed, so I keep it to myself, but, it felt like I was dying when I tried it. Until. blastoff.

Lots of people have really negative and terrible experiences on DMT. My one friend was never the same after his trip to South America. His trip wrecked him psychologically and he never recovered.

Knew someone who had something similar. They worked through it eventually though. Never again, she says.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

@DoctorTaco

You could really stand to benefit from the motto "live and let live man".

 

[BForrester]

"Magical guy in the sky" is also a pretty simple interpretation to be fair.

Take a stab at explaining where the energy came from that created the Big Bang to begin with.

You understand physics, right? Take a stab at explaining where the energy in nuclear fission or fusion comes from.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

When did Joe add "Evangelical" to his grift cocktail?

 

[DoctorTaco]

Point is you've been wrong about every position you've had because you're leading with your chin desperately trying to find some gotcha because you have a resentment, that controls your entire life and leaves you in hatred.

You're fighting emotionally basically.

I just think if we're going to discuss things we could just at least be honest about what we're discussing and not misrepresent like you have.

You might just want to try taking it easy man. But if you insist in being a throwback to the angry atheist movement have at it, it doesn't bother me at all.

You’re swearing and insulting me but say that I’m emotional? Full of hatred? Resentful? Angry? maybe do like my good dude Jesus said and remove that log from your eye.

What specifically have I been wrong about? I’m discussing the theological ramifications of both divine intervention and inspiration as reported in the Bible.

 

[DoctorTaco]

@DoctorTaco

You could really stand to benefit from the motto "live and let live man".

I spend my days and pay my mortgage by helping young men and women fight each other for money and fame. Literally the opposite of live and let live.

 

[BForrester]

If you go with an explanation that tries to argue in favor of the Big Bang, then the question remains, where did that energy come from? In physics, there has never been a documented case of something appearing from nothing. No matter how far back you go, there has to be a point of creation somewhere.

The point is, that we don't have the answers. Many cultures and peoples have tried to figure this out and came up with their own theories, but it's all still very much unexplained. A belief in a creator isn't the craziest thing.

If matter and energy have to be created, where did the creator come from? Did the creator have a creator, ad infinitum? You're arguing with circular logic.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

My experience would not be believed, so I keep it to myself, but, it felt like I was dying when I tried it. Until. blastoff.


Knew someone who had something similar. They worked through it eventually though. Never again, she says.

Man, this guy I knew is a shaman.. a practicing shaman. I studied some shamanism under him for a few years . He went down into South America cuz he knew this shaman down there. Not someone that works popularly with the public but it's just someone down in the jungle.

They had two kinds of DMT down there. They had one mixed up for the power and one mixed up for knowledge. Each one rocketed you into either power or the knowledge of God.

Thing is man. The power just wrecked his nervous system and he never came back from it. He was shaky, he lost weight and he was just a shell of his former self and it lasted forever.


The weight loss thing was more from some kind of a thing he contracted down there some illness that took forever to get out of him too. So that's really not the fault of the DMT.

Overall though he went down to South American, got his ass kicked and never returned as a whole person.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

If matter and energy have to be created, where did the creator come from? Did the creator have a creator, ad infinitum? You're arguing with circular logic.

The Christian God has always been the god that was not created but that being whose being is necessary... the necessary being.

A God created by another goddess foreign to the Christian understanding.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I spend my days and pay my mortgage by helping young men and women fight each other for money and fame. Literally the opposite of live and let live.

There are plenty of coaches who can live and let live man. I'm not trying to be rude here. It's just a suggestion, but I know what it's like to be as angry as you are and that isn't happy or well adjusted. Just let it go dude...

You can be right and not be angry.

 

[DoctorTaco]

There are plenty of coaches who can live and let live man. I'm not trying to be rude here. It's just a suggestion, but I know what it's like to be as angry as you are and that isn't happy or well adjusted. Just let it go dude...

You can be right and not be angry.

Please explain how you can hurl insults and then call me angry? Or how that’s not trying to be rude?

Live and let live has nothing to do with having a perfectly reasonable theological discussion or even debate.

You admitting that you know what it’s like to be angry, unhappy and ill adjusted makes a lot of sense. You should probably work on that.

 

[Andy Capp]

If you read the four canonical gospels in a consecutive or side by side manner, it almost feels as if Luke was written specifically for a gentile audience. At least compared to Matthew, Mark, and John (which is distinct itself in other ways).



Oh, it's admittedly entirely anecdotal and "feeling" based. The latest figures and polling from Pew and such do seem to suggest that the religious bleeding of churches being emptied has reached a plateau (at least in America), but that's quite a different thing from being some sort of revival. For the overtly anti-religion crowd, I do think it would be prudent not to rest on laurels and assumptions.

As an ex-Catholic, do you tend to lean into the side of hostility or lingering sympathy towards it? I tend to reserve hostility specifically for the strain of transdemoninational Evangelical Protestantism that exists in the United States. It's an absolute scourge on the country, much less Christianity at large. At least with Catholic doctrine, it teaches salvation through faith plus grace and good works (compassion, charity, kindness). Not so with evangelicals nor protestantism in general. It's through faith alone, so there is no religious incentive not to be a cruel shithead. It means nothing to point out their behavior runs contrary to Christ.

As an aside, Islam is taking over (lolz).

Executive summary

Read key findings about trends in Americans' religious beliefs and practices in the 2023-24 Religious Landscape Study's executive summary. Pew Research Center.

www.pewresearch.org

The 2023-24 Religious Landscape Study (RLS) and other Pew Research Center polling find that the Christian share of the population, after years of decline, has been relatively stable since 2019. And the religiously unaffiliated population, after rising rapidly for decades, has leveled off – at least temporarily. At present:

* 62% of U.S. adults describe themselves as Christians: 40% are Protestant, 19% are Catholic, and 3% are other Christians.

* 29% are religiously unaffiliated: 5% are atheist, 6% are agnostic, and 19% identify religiously as “nothing in particular.”

* 7% belong to religions other than Christianity: 2% are Jewish, and 1% each are Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu (all figures are rounded).

I have nothing against believing in God. My issue is with individuals who don't practice or even believe in the religion they profess to adhere to, and the grifters who satisfy their confirmation bias. I agree with everything in the paragraph following "As an ex-..."

"It means nothing to point out their behavior runs contrary to Christ."
100% they're divorced from it entirely. It's nauseating and sad. Can you imagine a world where all these self-professed fundamentalists actually practiced His teachings?

 

[helltoupee]

Mathematically.... it takes far more faith to believe in the Big Bang Theory without a high power than to believe in Intelligent Design.

If intelligent design is evidence there is a god, then god would be evidence that he himself had a god, and so on and so forth.

That said, I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with having "faith", it's the business aspect of organized religion that bothers me.

My own personal feeling is that we are not equipped to completely understand what happens when we die and we do that on purpose. In other words, we trick ourselves into this total and complete immersion that we call physical reality. Akin to being immersed in a really good book, video game, or movie. We 'forget' for a while. My belief is that en masse, we are all creators of this reality - we just aren't aware of it.

Just as the words I'm typing are only symbols for the thoughts I'm conveying, I believe that on an atomic level, physical objects are in the same way simply symbols created by our thoughts and emotions.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Please explain how you can hurl insults and then call me angry? Or how that’s not trying to be rude?

Live and let live has nothing to do with having a perfectly reasonable theological discussion or even debate.

You admitting that you know what it’s like to be angry, unhappy and ill adjusted makes a lot of sense. You should probably work on that.

You haven't been perfectly reasonable. You're obviously very angry and that's why you're exaggerating or misrepresenting everything I say.

Anyway, have a good night.

 

[Andy Capp]

i seen my body floating away over my city and there was a swarm of bats going around saying some kind of satanic shit to me. it was more fucked up than any shrooms or acid trips i've ever been on. and then 10 minutes later i came back down to almost normal and had a beer.

the high kicked in like immediately after i took a rip. next thing you know i'm clutching on to a fireplace mantle for dear life trying to stop myself from floating away. and then i had an out of body experience watching myself float away. most fucked up drug i've ever been on. not only was i seeing shit but i was hearing shit too.

I had a lucid dream somewhat like that once. It was a lot of fun.

 

[Satur9]

Man, this guy I knew is a shaman.. a practicing shaman. I studied some shamanism under him for a few years . He went down into South America cuz he knew this shaman down there. Not someone that works popularly with the public but it's just someone down in the jungle.

They had two kinds of DMT down there. They had one mixed up for the power and one mixed up for knowledge. Each one rocketed you into either power or the knowledge of God.

Thing is man. The power just wrecked his nervous system and he never came back from it. He was shaky, he lost weight and he was just a shell of his former self and it lasted forever.


The weight loss thing was more from some kind of a thing he contracted down there some illness that took forever to get out of him too. So that's really not the fault of the DMT.

Overall though he went down to South American, got his ass kicked and never returned as a whole person.

Then who can truly tell what made him lose it? Maybe the DMT didn’t do it at all, but some jungle bug or whatever? I’ll take you at your word here though, since I have no clue at all.

This girl was religious to start and came out super religious. Went nutty for awhile. She isn’t as bonkers as she was for awhile, but she has kept up her newly gained zeal for her particular religion. Something spooked her. At least it seemed to us.

 

[DoctorTaco]

You haven't been perfectly reasonable. You're obviously very angry and that's why you're exaggerating or misrepresenting everything I say.

Anyway, have a good night.

What specifically have I exaggerated or misinterpreted?

You know what I think a better indicator is to tell if somebody is angry? If they are swearing at you and hurling personal insults.

 

[nixkid]

It's been a long and arduous journey but he finally completed his transition to boomer

 

[heloder]

The exceptional amount of extreme outliers required to make it just a chance occurrence from chaos requires absolute extreme faith. To be an Atheist means you defy Math.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever, but I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong. Show me the math that proves there must be an "intelligent designer".

What extreme outliers and chance occurrences are you referring to? What "it" are you referring to? Life? The Big Bang in general? Because your post reads like you're trying to say that order coming from chaos simply must mean there's an intelligent creator. Which is, of course, lunacy.

And for the record, I'm not arguing that there is or is not some "god" creator. I just feel that it's a pointless distinction, since all you'd be doing is kicking the can down the road. Saying that everything coming from nothing is absurd and impossible, so it must have come from a god...doesn't really solve the initial problem, does it? Because then where does "god" come from?

And if you say god is eternal, then that is no different from just saying the universe is eternal. And if you respond to that by saying that if the universe is eternal, this must mean the Big Bang didn't happen, I would respond by saying that "eternal" is a meaningless distinction, because as far as it relates to the past, it (like everything else) all began with the Big Bang; ergo there was no "before".

So for all intents and purposes, the universe has always been, since our concept of time began with the Big Bang. That doesn't mean our current understanding of its age is wrong; it just means that asking what the universe was like 16 billion years ago doesn't really make any sense. The common analogy used to illustrate this is the south pole analogy. If you travel to the south pole and ask "what's south of here?" the question doesn't make sense.

 

[Andy Capp]

Buddy, either Jesus was the son of god (and god himself, and the Holy Ghost made flesh) and had magical powers or not. But saying that the magic in the Bible is just “modern bias” is heretical at best.

I didn’t state joes opinion.
I used the dictionary definition of faith.
I’m not talking about the poetry of Solomon or the parables of jeebus, I’m talking about (and to) a literal talking ass. Saying it was a metaphor is awful hermeneutics and if you’re this spiritual guru you come off as then you should do better. Shame on you.

The Bible has been interpreted to defend slavery, justify white supremacy, subjugate women, and shape abortion laws. Just because someone chooses to interpret it in some way to serve their own opinions doesn’t mean that way is correct.

Simply put: if god is all powerful then why cant he make a donkey talk? Why can’t you just say, “yup. That donkey talked. That dude was swallowed by a whale and spit out 3 days later perfectly fine. Jesus was born to a virgin and had magic powers. How? Why? Because an all powerful God deemed it so.”

It’s a more honest and frankly respectable answer as “faithful follower” than trying to shoe horn logic and secular ad hominems.

I’d also like to point out that you went to name calling and insults, not me.

You left out Moses causing his staff to turn into a snake because God told him to.