Joe Rogan isnt sold on the Bing Bang theory finds Jesus resurrection more plausible

[Cajun]

Thou shall not kill, so yeah don't kill one person even if it would save 3.

Truth...

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Thou shall not kill, so yeah don't kill one person even if it would save 3.

You specifically said that "I would save the 3", so you would knowingly defy one of gods commandments or truths? If you killed in self defense, I'm assuming that would also go against god's truth?

Does Ecclesiastes 3:3 go against god's truth?

King James Bible
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

 

[HOLA]

Well that just pushes the problem to god's nature then, instead of explaining how a fine-tuned universe came to be, you have to explain how a perfectly fine tuned, eternal and all powerful being like god came to be. If god just "Is" then why can't the universe?

Maybe he exists, but is a cruel, ignorant and vain demiurge. Maybe he's a polytheist himself, but his pride and his cult warped him into claiming to be a monotheist. Instead of being omnipotent and omnipresent, perhaps he's very limited, which would certainly help explain the mess he's created.

Maybe he's just utterly indifferent.

 

[HOLA]

You specifically said that "I would save the 3", so you would knowingly defy one of gods commandments or truths? If you killed in self defense, I'm assuming that would also go against god's truth?

Does Ecclesiastes 3:3 go against god's truth?

King James Bible
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

To everything, turn, turn, turn
There is a season, turn, turn, turn

 

[Koro_11]

You specifically said that "I would save the 3", so you would knowingly defy one of gods commandments or truths? If you killed in self defense, I'm assuming that would also go against god's truth?

Does Ecclesiastes 3:3 go against god's truth?

King James Bible
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

And then i specifically said this:

"and sometimes people are wrong, including me."

Which you completely ignored.

As for your second point, I'm not gonna sit here and try to justify every Bible verse for you, this has already been discussed to death for over a dozen pages and I said many times that Bible is full of useful wisdom, outdated wisdom, and some useless wisdom as well. It was written by man not by God. I believe in a creator, and I'm a Christian, but if you're not and you wanna be some moral relativist, atheist, or whatever you are, that's cool I'm not trying to convert you. So if you wanna play some gotcha game go play it with someone else, I'm not a Biblical scholar and I'm not claiming to be a saint, I'm just trying to live as best as I can and I'm learning on the go like everyone else.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Oof... Roman's 9 is one of the ones often ignored. Well done.

Calvinists and Armenianists I’ve been kicking that one around for a while. I can see why people use it as justification for believing salvation is predetermined.

(Although salvation being predetermined makes proselytizing seem kind of pointless.)

 

[DoctorTaco]

You specifically said that "I would save the 3", so you would knowingly defy one of gods commandments or truths? If you killed in self defense, I'm assuming that would also go against god's truth?

Does Ecclesiastes 3:3 go against god's truth?

King James Bible
A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

That is a song. It is not meant to be interpreted literally.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Thou shall not kill, so yeah don't kill one person even if it would save 3.

If someone is holding a bunch of kids hostage then I don't see how it's morally incorrect to kill them and I think most people would intuitively agree with me.

 

[Koro_11]

If someone is holding a bunch of kids hostage then I don't see how it's morally incorrect to kill them and I think most people would intuitively agree with me.

Of course, I think everyone knows that there are exceptions.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

And then i specifically said this:

"and sometimes people are wrong, including me."

Which you completely ignored.

Of course, I think everyone knows that there are exceptions.

I'm trying to understand your position but it's confusing. You believe god placed the truth of morality in to you (not sure how), you know what's right, but you will choose to do what's wrong sometimes (kill one to save three) because you believe it's an exception. How do you know when somethings an exception?

As for your second point, I'm not gonna sit here and try to justify every Bible verse for you, this has already been discussed to death for over a dozen pages and I said many times that Bible is full of useful wisdom, outdated wisdom, and some useless wisdom as well. It was written by man not by God. I believe in a creator, and I'm a Christian, but if you're not and you wanna be some moral relativist, atheist, or whatever you are, that's cool I'm not trying to convert you. So if you wanna play some gotcha game go play it with someone else, I'm not a Biblical scholar and I'm not claiming to be a saint, I'm just trying to live as best as I can and I'm learning on the go like everyone else.

I understand that, we all are. But you're picking and choosing what is moral in the bible, what scale are you using to pick and choose? And how do you know your moral compass is correct compared to others that believe differently than you and believe there's is correct.

 

[Koro_11]

I'm trying to understand your position but it's confusing. You believe god placed the truth of morality in to you (not sure how), you know what's right, but you will choose to do what's wrong sometimes (kill one to save three) because you believe it's an exception. How do you know when somethings an exception?



I understand that, we all are. But you're picking and choosing what is moral in the bible, what scale are you using to pick and choose? And how do you know your moral compass is correct compared to others that believe differently than you and believe there's is correct.

Again, I’m not claiming to know, I’m just telling you what I believe. I think we agreed on this at the beginning of our conversation, that neither one of us could possibly know so it comes down to what you choose to believe.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Again, I’m not claiming to know, I’m just telling you what I believe. I think we agreed on this at the beginning of our conversation, that neither one of us could possibly know so it comes down to what you choose to believe.

Sure, so, when would you believe something is an exception? And why do you believe your moral compass is correct compared to others that believe differently than you.

 

[Koro_11]

Sure, so, when would you believe something is an exception? And why do you believe your moral compass is correct compared to others that believe differently than you.

I think we can use common sense to determine when there are exceptions.

If one of the commandments is "thou shall not kill", one can obviously see why that would generally be a good rule to follow, but one can also use common sense and realize that it is sometimes necessary as in the case of self defence, defending a loved one, etc...

Why do I believe mine is correct... well, because it's mine and it's what I believe.

 

[USA!USA!]

Nothing about Jesus story is plausible in any sense based on my own life experience other than him just being a normal man with charisma and leadership.

However, we do see activity in space, around our planet, around our solar system and galaxy.. so I'd tend to grant those theories far more credence. There is evidence and we can actually see it.

 

[Koro_11]

Nothing about Jesus story is plausible in any sense based on my own life experience other than him just being a normal man with charisma and leadership.

However, we do see activity in space, around our planet, around our solar system and galaxy.. so I'd tend to grant those theories far more credence. There is evidence and we can actually see it.

I don't think any serious religious person is disputing the existence of space. The question is how did space, the planet, the entire system come into existence.

 

[USA!USA!]

I don't think any serious religious person is disputing the existence of space. The question is how did space, the planet, the entire system come into existence.

I am just referring to the thread title - not being sold on big bang, finding jesus resurrection more plausible

I also agree that there are questions regarding this reality that are unanswered, but I am certain they aren't answered in a man made book written thousands of years ago by ancient people who had no real concept of the world yet.

 

[Koro_11]

I am just referring to the thread title - not being sold on big bang, finding jesus resurrection more plausible

I also agree that there are questions regarding this reality that are unanswered, but I am certain they aren't answered in a man made book written thousands of years ago by ancient people who had no real concept of the world yet.

OK, but the fact that there are planets and space does nothing to confirm the Big Bang theory, which claims that everything we see around us exploded into existence out of a tiny point smaller than a speck of dust, for no reason or purpose.

These people will ridicule miracles like Jesus walking on water, but they have no problem with the miracle of everything out of absolutely nothing, which to me seems like the most unlikely miracle of all.

 

[USA!USA!]

OK, but the fact that there are planets and space does nothing to confirm the Big Bang theory, which claims that everything we see around us exploded into existence out of a tiny point smaller than a speck of dust, for no reason or purpose.

These people will ridicule miracles like Jesus walking on water, but they have no problem with the miracle of everything out of absolutely nothing, which to me seems like the most unlikely miracle of all.

There is empirical evidence that suggests something like the big bang.. I am not saying it is 100% true and they have it all figured out, but there is evidence that has been found that could suggest that

There is no evidence of miracles or of walking on water, or turning water in to wine.. all of that requires faith, not evidence.

It would be one thing if there was zero evidence of big bang and it was just all theorized and made up.. then you'd have a point. In that way, it would be similar to Jesus' miracles.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I think we can use common sense to determine when there are exceptions.

If one of the commandments is "thou shall not kill", one can obviously see why that would generally be a good rule to follow, but one can also use common sense and realize that it is sometimes necessary as in the case of self defence, defending a loved one, etc...

Why do I believe mine is correct... well, because it's mine and it's what I believe.

Yes, this is exactly it! We don't need a higher power to write in a book that in general killing each other is bad, we can use our own reasoning capabilities to determine that, and of course if there are exceptions.

And yes, we all believe that ours is correct, but can we defend what we believe as being sound, or at least reasonable.

 

[kflo]

There is empirical evidence that suggests something like the big bang.. I am not saying it is 100% true and they have it all figured out, but there is evidence that has been found that could suggest that

There is no evidence of miracles or of walking on water, or turning water in to wine.. all of that requires faith, not evidence.

It would be one thing if there was zero evidence of big bang and it was just all theorized and made up.. then you'd have a point. In that way, it would be similar to Jesus' miracles.

bible 1, science 0!