Joe Rogan isnt sold on the Bing Bang theory finds Jesus resurrection more plausible

[DoctorTaco]

Not necessarily, if I kill a bunch of people I don't like, take all their stuff and give it to the people I do care about, their lives will be better. So why shouldn't I do it?

Because that would open you up to having the same things done to you and/or those you care about.

 

[Rod1]

If the claim is that the big bang occurred with no mover, and without a purpose, then yeah it's incompatible.

Rogan didn't said that, he said believing in Jesus is incompatible with the big bang theory

 

[heloder]

Ok, but that still doesn't explain why we shouldn't kill someone weaker than us and take his shit, animals do this every time the opportunity presents itself and their species survive just fine.

This happens every single day with humans, and that's with thousands of years of "polite" society built up. That society disappears and I think you'd find that we're not so different from those animals you're referring to. But society does tamp down on these things by attempting to provide everyone with a lifestyle that keeps those animalistic tendencies at bay.

And also, have you heard of wars? You should check them out some time.

 

[Koro_11]

Because that would open you up to having the same things done to you and/or those you care about.

That door is always open, someone could do that to me at any moment whether I do it to someone else or not.

The question is why shouldn't I do it, on moral grounds?

 

[Koro_11]

Rogan didn't said that, he said believing in Jesus is incompatible with the big bang theory

I should clarify that I'm not here to defend whatever Rogan said, if he misspoke my point still stands.

 

[kflo]

Except not believing in a God is still a belief system.

there's no universal book dictating how to live in a godless world.

Secular liberals take all their morals from Christianity and for the most part live like Christians, while at the same time bashing everything about the religion.

Now you’re making shit up.

 

[Koro_11]

This happens every single day with humans, and that's with thousands of years of "polite" society built up. That society disappears and I think you'd find that we're not so different from those animals you're referring to. But society does tamp down on these things by attempting to provide everyone with a lifestyle that keeps those animalistic tendencies at bay.

And also, have you heard of wars? You should check them out some time.

Ok captain obvious, thanks for pointing out the obvious.

That still doesn't explain why we should be kind and not kill others and take their shit. If nothing means anything, and any set of morals is as good as the next, why should this matter?

 

[Koro_11]

there's no universal book dictating how to live in a godless world.

Now you’re making shit up.

There is no universal book for religion either, the Bible is not the only book. There are Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Scientologists, and so on... there are many books, and there are many books on atheism as well.

 

[kflo]

Ok, but if there is no meaning or purpose to life, why is us surviving and reproducing important to anyone?

Why do we love people? It’s not because of religion.

 

[Crazy Source]

Not necessarily, if I kill a bunch of people I don't like, take all their stuff and give it to the people I do care about, their lives will be better. So why shouldn't I do it?

Not necessarily. What if the people you killed have friends and exact revenge. You and your people would be rather fucked, huh?

Edit- @DoctorTaco beat me too it!

 

[heloder]

Ok captain obvious, thanks for pointing out the obvious.

That still doesn't explain why we should be kind and not kill others and take their shit. If nothing means anything, and any set of morals is as good as the next, why should this matter?

As a species, we do kill others and take their shit, as I already said. And this happens every single day. Sometimes it even happens on a very large scale.

The vast majority of people don't do that because we've built our societies to limit those tendencies, because that kind of violent chaos hurts the group.

You'll see the same thing throughout the animal kingdom. There may be fighting amongst different species (lions and hyenas, for example), and there may even be fighting amongst the same species (two prides of lions clashing), but social animals that form groups generally get along very well within those groups and don't murder each other randomly. It's common, because it provides an evolutionary advantage. Animals are stronger as a group.

Unfortunately for your point here, humans are actually the worst species on Earth when it comes to violence against their own species, and it's not even close.

 

[joy2day]

From a theological perspective the Holy Spirit would be the energy.

Explain how that works. How does the holy spirit generate energy? Detail the physics.

 

[kflo]

Except it's not the absence of belief, atheism is a belief that there is no God.

I don’t believe in Bigfoot. Or the god(s) in religions. What makes one of those a belief system?

 

[kflo]

There is no universal book for religion either, the Bible is not the only book. There are Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Scientologists, and so on... there are many books, and there are many books on atheism as well.

But all religions follow text. Most secular people don’t have a singular book or set of books they reference for how they live their life.

 

[Koro_11]

As a species, we do kill others and take their shit, as I already said. And this happens every single day. Sometimes it even happens on a very large scale.

The vast majority of people don't do that because we've built our societies to limit those tendencies, because that kind of violent chaos hurts the group.

You'll see the same thing throughout the animal kingdom. There may be fighting amongst different species (lions and hyenas, for example), and there may even be fighting amongst the same species (two prides of lions clashing), but social animals that form groups generally get along very well within those groups and don't murder each other randomly. It's common, because it provides an evolutionary advantage. Animals are stronger as a group.

Unfortunately for your point here, humans are actually the worst species on Earth when it comes to violence against their own species, and it's not even close.

Maybe you should watch more animal documentaries.

While some animals do form groups, those groups are extremely hostile towards other groups of the same species. Watch any chimp documentary and you'll see that different groups tear each other apart in competition for territory and hunting grounds. Basically their group is their siblings and relatives, and the rest are all enemies. Male lions will wander into another pride, and if they can chase off the dominant male they will kill his cubs and mate with the lionesses there, with or without consent.

Solitary animals are the same, see what happens when one grizzly bear wanders into another's territory.

I understand why some humans would form a group as there is strength in numbers as well as many other advantages. The question is why don't we just wipe out all the surrounding inferior tribes. USA could easily just launch an offensive against Jamaica, or the Dominican Republic, wipe out their entire populations, and they would expand their territory and have access to a whole lot more resources, vacation spots, etc... why is this wrong tho?

 

[Koro_11]

But all religions follow text. Most secular people don’t have a singular book or set of books they reference for how they live their life.

Bro, you're on of the more religious people on this forum, your religion is woke secular liberalism and shit like Critical Race Theory and Beyond Gender Binary are basically your version of the Bible.

 

[Crazy Source]

Explain how that works. How does the holy spirit generate energy? Detail the physics.

The holy spirit is big into wind and solar.

 

[Andy Capp]

Catholic art is art produced by or for members of the Catholic Church. This includes architecture, applied arts, decorative arts, painting, and sculpture. In a broader sense, Catholic music and other art may be included as well. Expressions of art may or may not attempt to illustrate, portray, and supplement Catholic teaching in tangible form. Catholic art has played a leading role in the history and development of Western art since at least the 4th century.

The High Renaissance of Da Vinci, Michelangelo and Raphael transformed Catholic art more fundamentally, breaking with the old iconography that was thoroughly integrated for original compositions that reflected both artistic imperatives, and the influence of Renaissance humanism. Both Michelangelo and Raphael worked almost exclusively for the Papacy for much of their careers, including the year of 1517, when Martin Luther wrote his Ninety-Five Theses. The connection between the events was not just chronological, as the indulgences that provoked Luther helped to finance the Papal artistic program. The Protestant Reformation in the 16th century produced new waves of image-destruction, to which the Catholic Church responded with the dramatic, elaborate emotive Baroque and Rococo styles to emphasise beauty as a transcendental.

The Protestant Reformation was a holocaust of art in many parts of Europe. Although Lutheranism was prepared to live with much existing Catholic art so long as it did not become a focus of devotion, the more radical views of Calvin, Zwingli and others saw public religious images of any sort as idolatry, and art was systematically destroyed in areas where their followers held sway. This destructive process continued until the mid-17th century, as religious wars brought periods of iconoclast Protestant control over much of the continent. In England and Scotland, destruction of religious art was especially heavy. Some stone sculpture, illuminated manuscripts, and stained glass windows survived, but of the thousands of high-quality works of painted and wood-carved art produced in medieval Britain, virtually none remain.

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lol j/k very interesting and informative.

 

[kflo]

Bro, you're on of the more religious people on this forum, your religion is woke secular liberalism and shit like Critical Race Theory and Beyond Gender Binary are basically your version of the Bible.

lol. Keep making shit up. I notice you do that when you have no argument. You start flinging your poo when you get frustrated.

 

[Andy Capp]

You're looking at the entire thing backwards. You think people wanting to survive and reproduce must mean there's a meaning to life, when those traits are simply inherent to any species that has survived this long. I see people (religious) making the same mistake with arguments about our environment here on Earth. They'll say things like "Surely it's not just a coincidence that Earth is perfect for us! It must have been part of a design by God! There are too many coincidences!"

On the surface, that's a compelling argument, isn't it? But when you actually think about it critically, you'll realize that—like the above example—they're thinking about it backwards. If we couldn't tolerate sunlight, we breathed methane, and we thrived in 170f temperatures...we wouldn't have evolved in this environment to be able to even ask that question. But we did evolve in this environment, which is why it's "perfect" for us (even though it's not, really).

Nah, its conditions are "necessary and sufficient", though.